Two questions: Was Charlottesville a possible start to Civil War II? Does anyone have access to

[Frustratedlady]

the number of white supremacists, Nazis and KKK members?

I saw one report early on in Obama's first term, I believe, which gave a map and percentage increase in some of these groups, but I haven't seen any reports since Trump was elected. Since he is being considered their leader/idol/god, I thought their numbers would have increased dramatically. I assume they are pretty much underground, so they would be tough to track.

I should think the FBI or some other group keeps a close eye on these groups or their sites and have a reasonable estimate of the numbers/locations. I just don't know what to search for without accidentally ending up on one of their websites.

[G_j]

1. Check here

https://www.splcenter.org

[Lindsay]

2. I was just gonna post

that link.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is the best resource I know of for information about hate groups and tracking them.

Especially with Sessions in charge of the DOJ. White supremacists are his people.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. Excellent resource!

Thank you! Bookmarking.

[inanna]

3. Yes. The SPLC has that info.

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

Just research the entire site. They probably have the data you are looking for. If not shown on site, then email them:

https://www.splcenter.org/contact-us/general

I've done so in the past. They are quite accessible.

SPLC is probably one of your nations best resources on hate groups. Period.

[inanna]

4. Ha! Looks like a few of us posted all at the same time!

So there's your answer.

[marylandblue]

5. FBI tracked them under Obama

Not sure if they still are under Trump.

[msongs]

6. great for recruiting by making themselves more visisible. and police just stand by

so the new recruits learn they have nothing to fear from LEO

[Frustratedlady]

8. Wow! Thanks to all for your help. You are incredible and a great resource!!! eom

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. There aren't enough of them to start a war. They're loud and threatening,

and their numbers have increased since Dolt 45 was elected, but although there are a number of these groups around the country their actual membership is still pretty small relative to the total population. The SPLC keeps very careful track of them and the FBI watches as well. On-line alt-right membership is impossible to track, but the KKK, for example, is estimated to have 5,000-8,000 members. That's a lot of assholes but not enough for an army.

[Frustratedlady]

14. That surprises me. I would have thought the KKK had many more members than 5-8K.

I would be more afraid of the white supremacists. The KKK have always signified to me a group of wimps since they have to hide their identities under a bedsheet.

There may not be enough to start a Civil War, but there are enough to spread their hate and put the fear of
God in the rest of us. They may fade back into the shadows, but their brains have been filled with so many propaganda, they will never be deprogrammed. Sad, too, that they reproduce.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. 62 Million

62 million people voted for Trump, more than half are racists. Of those, about half are white supremacists.

There are between 10-15 million Trump voters who would love to help commit genocide in this country. That's what this rally was, actual Nazis whose goal is to exterminate all undesirables.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. Where did you find those numbers, apart from the total vote count?

Seems like a bit of hyperbole to me.

[Lee-Lee]

12. Actual members of organized hate groups are fairly rare

Most of the ones on the SPLC map struggle to stay in double digits on membership numbers, with many being little more than a few family members with a PO Box. Most suffer from the "we all want to be in charge" syndrome where everyone starts their own group that doesn't do much more than make the SPLC map.

What is a greater threat is the loosely connected unorganized groups that just network in social media and web forums but don't actually belong to any groups in the traditional sense. They grow faster, don't have formally organized leaders, and there is so much fluidity between various online platforms it's very hard to shut them down or even get accurate numbers on them but very easy for them to rapidly organize and coordinate actions without having a formal leadership structure.

[brooklynite]

13. "Civil War II" is over the top...

We are still talking about a minority population, with limited support among Government officials. Even with their semi-automatic rifles, they'd be wiped out instantly if they launched an armed insurrection.