Creationism (edited)

[syringis]

Last edited Sun Aug 13, 2017, 06:41 PM - Edit history (2)

I did not mean to post anything specious.

I'm not a native English speaker. I might not understand or see some subtleties.

My understanding of this meme :

Trump and his Administration are not doing much, people are hired and fired almost everyday, each day or so, a new scandal appears, and so on...It looks more like as a ghost organisation rather than a serious Administration that cares about the citizens needs.
Trump constantly claiming he will create jobs but still have done nothing, the meme seemed to me being pertinent.

Why is it specious? What did I miss?

I will delete it if I went wrong.

For all those I have offended, please accept my apologies.

[annabanana]

1. Creationism

The belief that pouring money into the pockets of trust fund babies will result in something other than expensive toys and offshore Deutchebank accounts. . .

[dchill]

2. It also results in poverty, unemployment...

and lack of healthcare.

[annabanana]

4. "Yes, and. . ."

this could go on a while....

climate change
bad air
bad water
etcetc

[syringis]

30. It was a misinterpretation sorry

I edited ans explained.

[syringis]

29. It was a misinterpretation sorry

I edited an explained.

[Roland99]

3. OP has 300 posts in about 2 weeks. and posts this specious meme?

hmmm

[annabanana]

5. let's see if this is a hit & run. . .n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

10. "Never attribute to malice that which is very well explained by incompetence."

[syringis]

18. A mistake...

...does not mean incompetence.

I have edited the thread and gave an explanation.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. I thought it was ironic, thats all.

Its a boilerplate right wing meme in your OP, hence the reactions.

I get it, people make mistakes. Im not gonna belabor the point. i'd self-delete but i wouldnt tell you what to do. Peace.

[syringis]

20. I got the point.

Another point, is probably that humor is hard to replicate.

It is really what I have seen in that meme.

I took a look again at the meme, I would say, a look thru the critics . I see it differently. Cannot explain better (in french, I will)

I have a question, I'm speaking in general :

Why not ask the person before critics ?

It seems very obvious that I don't speak well English. Why immediatly being suspicious and condemn? Especially if the OP contains such boiling stuff? I someone do the same on a french forum, I will think that is perhaps a misinterpretation, if not, means the person is an incurable idiot...(well, you will tell me that is it exactly what characterizes a RW)

I fully understand that is a sensitive subject. However, the vigorous reactions are a bit painful.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. I think-not judging, it's understandable- that the langauge/culture issue is the prime barrier, here

A good example is "boiling". Understandable mistake that you might misinterpret my use of "boilerplate"- but what that idiom means, actually, is that the meme or image is a very ordinary, run-of-the-mill expression of some tired, overused and grossly oversimplified- if not flat out wrong- right wing ideas. In short, that it's an expression of an idea we've all heard fifty billion times already.

Right wingers have been saying since Reagan, or before, that "Government is the problem" and if we could just get rid of pesky entitlement programs and things like, oh, the highway system, the jobs would create themsleves. It's an idiotic oversimplification. Yes, businesses create jobs but there is a role for government as well.

Part two of the answer to your question is that DU gets a lot of right-wing trolling.

So there's gonna be a reflexive response here to what, for all intents and purposes, looks like a fairly straightforward posting of a right wing meme.

[syringis]

24. Thank you

Nothing better than communication to dispel misunderstangings

Of course,if the meme is very ordinary (so the RW level), no wonder why members kept shooting first before asking

allow me to present you all my sincere apologies. I love sarcasm and irony, black comedy, that kind of humor. But what I truly hate, is hurting people feelings, even unintentionally.

I shared (more succefully) other humor stuffs. You might be interested by the RW christian dictionnary.

If you speak French, i shared my thoughts on the french group.

I gave a bit more explanation to Downtown Hound :

But when we see a poster post things about how government is some kind of shadowy institution that does not create jobs and is incapable of creating jobs, to us that just smacks of right wing trolling behavior.


Until you have explained it, I did not imagin the meme have this meaning.

I was specifically referring to Trump's Administration as a shadowy government. I have been fighting creationism and others WR stupidities for years .

This is why i found the meme funny (not anymore). And associated in my mind, creationism and Trump.
Both as delusional as each other

PS : other apologies for beating "cheerfully" your language spelling and grammar rules.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. No worries. I know, its no fun to get piled on, here.

I glanced at the rw chrisitan dictionary post- it was great, so much good stuff i'm going to have to revisit it again.

Cheers.

[Roland99]

28. I understand your misinterpretation and commend you for your follow-up

[syringis]

33. Thank you

It was the least I could do.

[syringis]

11. Hello

I did not mean to post anything specious.

300 posts because, in one part, in july and august, I have much more less work (vacances judiciaires), in another, I'm immobilized at home subsequently to a surgery.

I'm not a native English speaker. I might not understand or see some subtleties.

My understanding of this meme :

Trump and his Administration are not doing much, people are hired and fired almost everyday, each day or so, a new scandal appears, and so on...It looks more like as a ghost organisation rather than a serious Administration that cares about the citizens needs.
Trump constantly claiming he will create jobs but still have done nothing, the meme seemed to me being pertinent.

Why is it specious? What did I miss?

I will delete it if I went wrong.

[Nevernose]

6. Students return to school tomorrow

Too bad there won't be anyone employed by the government to teach them or drive school busses (on government built and maintained roads) or give them lunch. Since government doesn't create jobs.

[syringis]

27. It was a misinterpretation

I have edited and explained.

[dhill926]

7. the fuck is this.....

wish we had an unrec button...

[Warren DeMontague]

9. "this" is quite possibly the dumbest analogy I've seen in my entire life.

For one thing, the Government actually exists.

[syringis]

17. Please

I have edited the thread, removed the meme and gave an explanation.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. Yeah, that FDR, what a nut

[Downtown Hound]

12. FYI, there's actually very little about government that's shadowy at all

With the exception of intelligence and military operations, almost everything in government is recorded, cataloged, filed, stamped, reviewed, debated, and stamped once again, and any one of us can view it at any time were we so motivated.

And actually, the federal government alone employs millions of people, often with good salaries and benefits, and state governments do as well. And policies that the government implements can have a DIRECT influence on whether or not jobs are created or destroyed in the private sector.

In other words, take your propagandistic, ignorant horseshit someplace else where the people are actually stupid enough to believe it.

[syringis]

14. No need to be rude.

I have edited my post and explained as well as I could.

[Downtown Hound]

15. I apologize if I was a little curt

But understand something: a common rallying cry of the right in the United States is that government can not and should not do anything to interfere in the economy or to promote economic equality, and that regulation (which is often needed to keep corporations in check from doing very bad things), is antithetical to a good economy. The result of this rhetoric was a the largest economic collapse in several generations because banks and financial institutions were allowed to run roughshod over pretty much everything.

Now I agree that Trump has done NOTHING to help the economy, and has, in fact, hurt it some, and that all those great economic numbers he loves to tout are actually the result of the Obama economy he inherited. But when we see a poster post things about how government is some kind of shadowy institution that does not create jobs and is incapable of creating jobs, to us that just smacks of right wing trolling behavior.

If that was not your intention then I apologize for being curt. But understand that statements like the one you made tend to only feed right into right wing ideology, and that's exactly what this board was formed to stand against. If on the other hand that was your intention, then my earlier statement still stands.

[syringis]

16. I have understand.

If you speak french, you can take a look at the french group, you will read my thoughts.

I'm as far from any right wing ideology as Trump is far from the truth...

[syringis]

23. Perceptions.

But when we see a poster post things about how government is some kind of shadowy institution that does not create jobs and is incapable of creating jobs, to us that just smacks of right wing trolling behavior.

Until you have explained it, I did not imagin the meme have this meaning.

I was specifically referring to Trump's Administration as a shadowy government. I have been fighting creationism and others WR stupidities for years .

This is why i found the meme funny (not anymore). And associated in my mind, creationism and Trump.
Both as delusional as each other

[XRubicon]

13. Have you run this by Lockheed Martin?

or United Technologies? Maybe check with Boeing and Raytheon too.

I think they will be surprised by this news...

It is a mystery to you where the $3.9 trillion the government spends every year goes huh?

[syringis]

26. Hello

I edited the post and gave an explanation.

I misinterpreted the real meaning of the meme.

[edhopper]

22. Yes, you got the meme wrong

but corrected it.
No harm no foul.

Hope you understand now what that meme represents.

[herding cats]

31. I looked at the post history pre edit, language barriers suck.

It's too bad you got the meme wrong, but it's very pleasant that you explained your intentions.

No lasting harm done that I can see.

[syringis]

32. Thank you

Next time, i will pay more attention or, if any doubts, ask before posting.

[herding cats]

34. I, and most here, really are not in any position to cast stones at you.

Your conversational English is extremely good, whereas my French is virtually non existent. I can struggle through reading French slowly, but I can't express myself in written French in at all really.

It was the misuse of the Republican meme that upset the people here. Which was an understandable error when we have the context. Don't let the replies upset you. Everything here is fine.

[annabanana]

35. I understand where the confusion came in and I'm sorry

I slammed you.

Fell free to pm me anytime you'd like to run something by me for subtexts. (Welcome to DU)

[syringis]

36. Hello, thank you

No problem. No harm lasts.

The power and the magic of communication, my favourite tool

Humor is hard to replicate because it has a context which gives the tone, will make it funny or not.

As words or sentences, taken out context, the meaning is far from what it is supposed to be initially.

In context, well it is clearly crapshit. Out, it lefts on one hand, Trump's Administration (if it can be called as) more like a freak out circus , on the other, the stupid theory of creationism. And the perceived meaning is exactly at the opposite...

Language and culture are sometimes barriers. It is up to us to build links, exchange and communicate. In my humble opinion, it is the only way to build a safe peaceful future for our children. Bombs are clearly not helpful.

Cover human basics needs without conditions, assuring him never to be hungry, thirsty, to be treated if ill, to get accees to education, to move freely and safely.
All those matters shouldn't be in privates hands.

I don't feel at all as being communist or whatever. These are just basic needs. To the rest, buy, sell, deal whatever you want, anywhere you want.

I do not mean to look forward an homogenized world. I'd rather look forward a multicultural word. It is the diversity that will enrich us.

In short, I want a world where human is important. Not money. Money is a tool not a target on itself. A french proverb says "l'argent est un bon serviteur mais un mauvais maître" : money is a good servant but a bad master"

[annabanana]

37. I am truly jealous of polyglots...

There are some people for whom "learning a language" is as easy as falling off a log. I am not one of those people.

Whatever your abilities, you are clearly someone with a facility for written expression.

[syringis]

38. Do not...

...I cheated

I'm bilingual since the birth and learned early a third language. I don't speak it anymore, I only kept a passive understanding.

According to many scientific studies, evolvingsince the childhood in a multi-linguistic surroundings, eases the learn of other languages. Because as the child switches to another language, he thinks in this language.

One of the most common mistake when learning another language, is to keep thinking in the native one than translate. It is better to think in the language your are speaking or writting, even if you don't have a large expressive vocabulary. It helps to build correct sentences, or at least, not to far from the spelling, grammar and ponctuation rules.

Another tips, is to not be afraid to speak, write in the foreign language. Natives are generally very tolerant as well as pleased to help you to improve your knowledge if you show the desire to.

Finally, unless if it is needed for work or some other reason, it is not such a matter to make mistakes. The most important is to understand your interlocutor and to be understood by him / her.

About the facilities in written expression, as far as I can remember, I loved reading, later writing. It helps In addition, my job requires some written skills.


I'm a word lover, a word praiser. Words are a very powerful arm in any language. they also reflects to the deepest a culture.