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lostnfound

(16,195 posts)
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:18 AM Aug 2017

His hatred was enough to drive him 543 miles. Trump's movement helped foment it

Many of the right wing racist protesters in Charlottesville were not local, based on the findings of those working to identify the marchers. Many of them, including the killer, drove hundreds of miles to get there. That is critical to seeing what is happening.

Did he spend those 543 miles dreaming about crashing a car into a crowd of counterprotestors? Or was this a spur of the moment decision, to slam down on the accelerator? I suspect the latter -- after all, he went there seeking and expecting more of his own kind, not seeking the "enemy". If the destination had been a BLM march or an anti-Trump march, violence might have been the intent all along. But here, he expected to find others like himself. So what motivated him to drive 543 miles? Attachment to a statue of a long dead general? Doubtful. I think it was a desire for glory, to be part of some grand empowermemt of others like himself. The election of Trump had felt like a triumph.

Hate that arises within the soul of one person is sometimes dangerous but haters reinforced by fellow haters turns into something more convicted and deadly. The strengthening of hate into an ugly political force is happening on the internet.
Trump re-empowers it with his campaign rallies. Refusing to disavow the white nationalists that supported him, he focuses all blame on "the other" with his rhetoric. His counterterrorism people were told to drop their focus on white supremacists groups.His spokesman the tiresome whiner Gorka just a few days ago was faulting a reporter for asking about white supremacist groups. Gorka said that the idea of a “lone wolf attack" is a ruse to point blame away from al Qaeda and ISIS when “[t]here has never been a serious attack or a serious plot that was unconnected from ISIS or al Qaeda.”

Okay, Gorka, I do agree with THAT: this angry 20 year old was not a "lone wolf". So, what WAS he part of? He was part of a wolf pack, one that the current administration has no interest in stopping.

If ten or twenty racists had showed up from local Charlottesville, they would have seen that there was no glory, and that they were pathetic or powerless. But if you've been stirred up enough to drive 600 miles and you get there and there's several hundred other pumped up people from all over the country, it's much more potent. And the president's got your back. But those counter-protestors -- the damn liberals, the Other -- are standing in your way.

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His hatred was enough to drive him 543 miles. Trump's movement helped foment it (Original Post) lostnfound Aug 2017 OP
I'm convinced Bannon, Miller, and Gorka's underground organized this The Blue Flower Aug 2017 #1
Possible, but maybe it's more strategic than a distraction lostnfound Aug 2017 #4
"that is critical to seeing what is happening" very much so GusBob Aug 2017 #2
Logistics...where did they stay before and after? Lars39 Aug 2017 #3
Yes I'm interested in that too underpants Aug 2017 #5
At what point did they gear up? Lars39 Aug 2017 #6
They may have camped underpants Aug 2017 #8
True,and let's hope it was away from the kiddos. Lars39 Aug 2017 #9
Agree, it is like a cancer spreading throughout the U.S. riversedge Aug 2017 #7
I agree njhoneybadger Aug 2017 #10

The Blue Flower

(5,450 posts)
1. I'm convinced Bannon, Miller, and Gorka's underground organized this
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:20 AM
Aug 2017

The NK bluster and threats were to distract from Mueller. This event was to distract from the NK mess.

lostnfound

(16,195 posts)
4. Possible, but maybe it's more strategic than a distraction
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:30 AM
Aug 2017

Instability creates an excuse for a police state or for crackdown on civil liberties. They can use this as an excuse to restrict protests, for example.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
2. "that is critical to seeing what is happening" very much so
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:23 AM
Aug 2017

These people came from all over, and they carry their hate back to where they are from

And it spreads

Lars39

(26,117 posts)
3. Logistics...where did they stay before and after?
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 08:27 AM
Aug 2017

With local friends? Area is pretty blue iiuc. Local motels?

Lars39

(26,117 posts)
6. At what point did they gear up?
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 09:04 AM
Aug 2017

Can you imagine eating at the free breakfast bar and seeing those bozos roll thru getting their pastries and OJ?

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
10. I agree
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 09:22 AM
Aug 2017

CREDIT: AP PHOTO/JAY REEVES
Online neo-Nazi and white supremacist forums have been unmistakably jubilant lately, as web chatter moved from celebrating President Donald Trump’s electoral victory to celebrating individual cabinet appointments and policy proposals.

On Thursday, internet racists celebrated another perceived victory: Reports that President Trump will soon remove white nationalist groups from a federal effort to study and neutralize extremist radicalization, and rebrand the program to focus solely on groups associating themselves with Islam.

“Yes, this is real life. Our memes are all real life. Donald Trump is setting us free.”

The Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) program partners government agencies with community organizations in hopes of preventing people from being radicalized into various types of terror and hate groups. Its primary focus has always been in Muslim communities, but the Obama administration designed it to also encompass the American far-right groups that propagandize to people like Dylann Roof.

News of Trump’s plan to reverse that symbolic recognition of right-wing threats prompted a wave of celebration in white nationalist circles.

“Donald Trump wants to remove us from undue federal scrutiny by removing ‘white supremacists’ from the definition of ‘extremism,’” the founder and editor of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer (which takes its name from a Nazi propaganda publication) wrote in a post on the site. “Yes, this is real life. Our memes are all real life. Donald Trump is setting us free.”

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