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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe RT network is the only network that has propaganda
You'll never hear any opinions that are dangerous to our country on Fox, or Breitbart, or CNBC, or NBC, ABC, CBS, Sinclair, Viacom, Comcast, Time Warner. They are, or are owned by, huge multinational corporations that are often also war racketeers. So you can listen to and trust everything you hear on those networks. But make sure you never listen to or watch anything on RT, because that's where all the propaganda is.
Do I have that right now? That's the message of the week? Just making sure my two minutes hate is aimed properly in the right direction.
JI7
(89,281 posts)it's pretty much like that trump tv crap .
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)By your logic.
JI7
(89,281 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)People who don't fawn over the president. Oh wait, that didn't happen.
ananda
(28,890 posts)nt
dembotoz
(16,864 posts)greeny2323
(590 posts)In 2013 Russia ranked 148th out of 179 countries in the Press Freedom Index from Reporters Without Borders. In 2015 Freedom House report Russia got score of 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass-media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia
stonecutter357
(12,698 posts)Squinch
(51,074 posts)defending the coup.
The Thom Hartmann argument is a perfect example of how they go about their disruption, and how well their disruption works.
Waiting for the OP that suggests we throw a parade for Putin. At this rate it should be coming along in a day or two.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)How could what people here listen to on the radio really matter so much to some people all of a sudden? With all the daily horrors of the Trump administration it certainly isn't something I find worth worrying about.
R B Garr
(17,000 posts)indicates how the Russia investigation is heating up and going all the way, we're all treated to a bizarre sidebar about some obscure Russia TV host who most people never bother with.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)They ran off to some other site, are now trying to "take back" some form of DU where they reined supreme. Putin sure knew their audience, and their coverage kind of proves it, the timelines of their stars on twitter and other places really drives this point home.
Be they employees or merely fans, the RT defenders are doing Putin's work, and it's important to see what points that propaganda outlet is pushing on its air and through its stars, ALL of them.
Squinch
(51,074 posts)information than to listen, so radio shows don't do it for me. There are many DUers vouching for the guy's liberal credentials, and I have no doubt that they are sincere and well informed.
AND, if I remember correctly, we had no reason to fear RT when Hartmann joined them. BUT now we obviously do. I suspect Hartmann is a sincere guy who got caught in a bad place without knowing how bad it was. But now we are many months past an attempted coup by the Russians, and RT has been named by our intelligence agencies as one of the propaganda arms that was used in that coup attempt.
Hartmann has known at least since the election tampering was described by US intelligence who he is dealing with. I hear that he is severing his ties with them, and good for him for finally owning up to the error of his association with them. But there is just no way, in my mind, to deny that his association with RT gave legitimacy to them and brought progressive ears to a Russian propaganda source.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)He started there in 2010, and there were some notable resignations, especially after the Ukraine situation.
He had reason to know who was in charge there and what was up. He says he has independent editorial control, but chooses not to cover things that everyone else is talking about, when they might upset Putin.
He might be sincere, but the things which he's sincere about might be questionable.
I tried to listen to his show a few times, but his style is not to my taste.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/3/10/1283668/-Thom-Hartmann-Sticking-with-RT-despite-Resignations-over-Putin-s-Actions-in-Ukraine
We've seen what's been going on with Larry King, Ed Schultz and others who are on board with RT.
I've seen some of things that were on air (via youtube) and what I saw are the sources of the division and the ratfucking that when on with the left.
Squinch
(51,074 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)I personally found him grating on his show, but he fit right in with what RT was doing. I tuned into Lee Camp once after following a twitter link, and my goodness, I didn't expect that level of hate from a supposed progressive/liberal.
The vitriol that guy was spewing then (and which is on his timeline now) is on par with what I was getting from Ed, he just wasn't so blatant about it when he was on MSNBC.
I figured Larry King was in need of money, I've seen him hawking supplements so I figured he was hard up, but these other guys... wow, just wow.
eShirl
(18,506 posts)And so what if this propaganda is part of that attack?
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)Use context and content and double checking sources to determine how reliable your source for news and opinion is. That's what adults do.
Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)another. It is a huge threat to our Democracy and our country! Fox and RW media have programmed a large segment of our society to ignore facts, to hate, and to blame the wrong people for our problems. Even so called "liberal media" do not cover important stories that TPTB don't want covered.
Once we regain power we need to revamp the FCC, bust up the 6-7 huge media conglomerates, and require truth in the news. We would have to demand this of our own politicians because they will not want this either. In conjunction with cleaning up the propaganda we must demand real campaign finance reform and cut off the money spigot that allows the rich and powerfult to buy our politicians who now only represent Donors!
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Pholus
(4,062 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)catbyte
(34,502 posts)Why did you write that? That sounds like Benedict Donald defending Putin murdering journalists by saying, "Well, the United States isn't so innocent either."
muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)so stop trying to. RT is a deplorable network, because it pumps out the official Russian propaganda - you know, the people who assassinate journalists. Who occupied Crimea. Who have anti-LGBT laws. Who are run by a kleptocracy that has produced the highest inequality in wealth in any sizeable country in the world.
Yes, that really is worse than being a big corporation.
Have you no judgement whatsoever?
And, let's be clear, if someone had a show on Breitbart or Fox, or were one of Sinclair's commentators, we'd have a go at them too - because those outlets have a track record of right wing crap. RT is the pro-Putin right wing crap.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)that the only way you can determine which outlets and shows to listen to is to try to figure out which evil billionaire owner wouldn't kill your grandmother for $5 and you for free, then please go ahead and use that criteria.
the rest of us will use our brains to listen to the content of the shows, and factor the context into what we hear.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,400 posts)I'm not judging RT because of its owner; I'm judging it because it produces propaganda - lies, misleading stories. That's also why I denigrate Fox and Breitbart - because of their output.
You're not using your brains. Don't fool yourself. It's you who has suggested that the owners of NBC etc. make them just as bad as Breitbart.
You have got this all so wrong, you are doing what you accuse others of. Crap thread, this, isn't it?
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)Anybody who watch any kind of media should learn a bit of critical thinking first. And then maybe also learn, that diversity is interesting. It is stunning to see how different the "same" stories are told in different countries and channels. And even more when they are told just the same - that is when you should really be aware.
It is easy the see the difference. F.ex. MSNBC has the worst commercial breaks, and RT has the worst news breaks. You can also easily find BS at MSNBC and RT in between very fine and interesting journalism at both places.
Some of it is hard to find in other places, so I will keep watching. But I am never watching any channels for hours - I am always watching carefully selected content.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)I mean, is that what we will see here next?
Why are people torn up about RT being called what it really is? Seems really weird to me.
lpbk2713
(42,770 posts)I'll let someone else tell you about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)Ilsa
(61,709 posts)I love it!
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)None of the media outlets you name are owned, operated and directed by a hostile foreign government except for RT.
Nice try, though.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)This post just skips the onerous business of working through Hartmann and goes directly to the real purpose of it.
To say "Oh well, they're all biased, tra la la" in reference to the house organ of a murderous dictator who is actively working to undermine our Constitution?
Good Lord, we're really through the looking glass 'round here.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)It's they are all biased, so use your damned brain.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Oh, but they're simply biased in a different way, tra la la, right? Stormfront, The Aryan Nation Newsletter, MSNBC, whatevs! Just practice some media literacy, yeah?
Your argument that we be media literate and discriminate carefully between stories is ironically incapable of discriminating carefully between source-types. Since somebody gave you a PhD at some point, I can only imagine that it is disingenuous at this point, but I guess you're all in with this nonsense.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)And also consider the content. That wasn't so hard now, was it?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)is a neo-Nazi engine. I don't read Stormfront content because I know what I'm going to get. Do you suggest we read Stormfront for news, too? Who knows, maybe some of their views allow us perspective?
Yes, easy.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)Baby, meet bathwater
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)dalton99a
(81,656 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)betsuni
(25,731 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)I'm all out of evens to can't
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... unable to control emotions or express feelings, quickly exasperated, angry. The similarities are there, and it's often very difficult to be reasonable with folks like that.
Hi, JHan! Happy Friday!
TGIF!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Logical fallacy: whataboutism.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)say so many things that are geared towards indoctrinating a certain segment of the population. They've been largely successful in sowing their chaos, and their cheerleaders here are proof. Or simply doing their jobs. In either case, objective achieved.
samnsara
(17,654 posts)delisen
(6,046 posts)We can have shows on human rights and transgender rights, free speech.
Should be just as easy to do there as here?
Maybe easier-we only need one person's permission?
dalton99a
(81,656 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I don't think I've read any posts which indicate an implicit denial that corporate media is ratings driven rather than content driven, or a denial of the immediate consequences of that system.
So it would seem you do not have that right now. That is your pretense of the week. Your two minutes will be given all the consideration they indeed, warrant.
delisen
(6,046 posts)Propaganda Pattern
1. There are just 2 opposing sides in national politics and they are both the same. if you vote for a Democrat, it is the same as voting for a Republican. Therefore don't vote for the Democrat and let the Republican win.
2. There is no difference between news media in Russia or in the US. They both produce propaganda. Therefore you might as well watch Russia Today as watch US media.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)But I go beyond that when it comes to sources (such as RT and Fox News) that were created for the express purpose of spreading disinformation.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)lancelyons
(988 posts)Wrong. Fox and Breitbart (RW media) are out to paint the picture that liberals/ democrats are what is destroying our country.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)folks equate ratings with honesty/integrity.. it's CORPORATE MEDIA folks - they are looking out for their own interests. CNN, MSNBC all of them were right there w/ Fox propping up Trump.. pushing the "horse race" narrative that gave us this train wreck - trust them at your own peril..
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Do you really expect anyone to believe that being owned by a private company is somehow equivalent to being owned by Putin?
Why not add North Korean state TV to the mix, while you're at it?
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)*some* posters that is. Many are clearly seeing through these attempts to normalize and whataboutism regarding RT.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Not gonna work.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)How I wish there were, for this OP.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)RT is a arm of Putin who is an enemy of the United States.
These other channels have can be debated but RT is owned and operated by evil!
malaise
(269,239 posts)You nailed it.
I have asked this before. At some point reality must set in and folks will have to follow this simple suggestion. Physician heal thyself.
US propaganda is everywhere. I don't get how so any folks can't see it.