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NRaleighLiberal

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Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:15 PM Aug 2017

slate - "Pundits are bending over backward to find meaning in Trump's bellicose word vomit"

(folks, read all about normalization....bleech!)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/why_the_dumb_stuff_trump_said_about_north_korea_is_actually_smart.html

Bellicose Word Vomit or Bellicose Word … Diplomacy?

Six theories on why the dumb stuff Trump said about North Korea is actually smart.

By Katy Waldman

On Tuesday, President Trump, hepped up on news that North Korea had successfully miniaturized a nuclear warhead, warned Kim Jong-un that further threats to the United States “will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.” Two days later, speaking to reporters at his New Jersey golf course, the macho commander in chief declared that perhaps his initial statement “wasn’t tough enough”—that something about the combination of “fire” and “fury” and world-historical destruction said Trump is a wuss. Tomorrow, perhaps he will pledge to crisp North Korea as black as a well-prepared steak.


The president’s original boast—described by the New York Times as “improvised”—has been subject to the kind of Talmudic analyses that no Trump outburst deserves. Here are a few of the motivations experts have ascribed to the man who holds our lives in his vulgarian fists. May the subtlety of his calculations give us comfort in the milliseconds before we die.

Trump is not a kid on a sugar high playing Power Rangers. He is … sending a veiled notice to China.

Joseph S. Nye Jr., former head of the U.S. National Intelligence Council, told the New York Times that Trump’s words may constitute “a very rational, thought-out message.” To wit, they “may have been aimed as much at Beijing as at Pyongyang,” indicating to Chinese President Xi Jinping that “the status quo is dangerous because it risks war,” the Times explained.



Trump is not an ape throwing bananas at chief of staff John Kelly. He is … deploying his expert grasp of Kim Jong-un’s psyche.

Noting that North Korea has a habit of enveloping its enemies in rhetorical flames, some Trump supporters suggested the president is adopting an approach he knows will resonate with his audience. “The normal nuanced diplomatic rhetoric coming out of Washington hasn’t worked in persuading the Kim regime of American resolve,” said Mark Dubowitz, chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “This language underscores that the most powerful country in the world has its own escalatory and retaliatory options.” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson echoed: “What the president was doing was sending a strong message to North Korea in language that Kim Jong-un would understand, because he doesn’t seem to understand diplomatic language. … I think it was important that he deliver that message to avoid any miscalculation on their part.”

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slate - "Pundits are bending over backward to find meaning in Trump's bellicose word vomit" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Aug 2017 OP
I think there are a lot of pundits who just can't get their heads around The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2017 #1

The Velveteen Ocelot

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1. I think there are a lot of pundits who just can't get their heads around
Thu Aug 10, 2017, 08:29 PM
Aug 2017

the reality that Trump has no plan, no knowledge, no understanding, no ideology, no method, and no overarching logic, but instead that he's just a narcissistic man-baby whose only goals are to "win" and to be seen as the most important guy in the world. Throughout their careers the pundits have dealt with presidents who had interests and policies beyond their own aggrandizement and were not merely pulsating skin-sacks containing nothing but id, bluster, and a couple scoops of ice cream. Previous presidents, even the very crooked ones like Nixon and the very incompetent ones like Bush II, at least had defining ideologies. Their actions could be analyzed and explained in some kind of recognizable political context.

People always want to be able to explain the things that don't seem to make sense. But the pundits are trying to connect dots that aren't connectable because they aren't dots. They're just freckles on Trump's fat ass.

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