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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:00 PM Aug 2017

What does a grand jury mean in all this ? For us who need a simple laymen's explanation on why

this is a great sign on removing Trump . What happens now?
I'll be back later to see if anyone can have the heart to explain it to someone who doesn't have a clue like me. Thanks in advance. I know plenty here follow this closer than I do and know the procedures

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What does a grand jury mean in all this ? For us who need a simple laymen's explanation on why (Original Post) lunasun Aug 2017 OP
K&R canetoad Aug 2017 #1
Grand jury is the first step in presenting evidence, taking testimony and beachbum bob Aug 2017 #2
A grand jury is empanelled to hear the charges of someone who broke a criminal law. no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #3
My understanding is that defense is not allowed to present evidence MoonRiver Aug 2017 #4
Correct. marylandblue Aug 2017 #6
Yes, correct no_hypocrisy Aug 2017 #17
Federal Grand Juries do three things marylandblue Aug 2017 #5
excellent Skittles Aug 2017 #13
On MSNBC they've been explaining it. Basically it is a name change BigmanPigman Aug 2017 #7
or bomb proof their current location. n/t dixiegrrrrl Aug 2017 #10
Someone I heard said that he opted to be in DC for the anti-Trump jury pool - vs Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2017 #18
As a general rule, Ms. Toad Aug 2017 #8
Maybe it's a bit early, but the FBI has been gathering evidence since last summer, pnwmom Aug 2017 #16
if called in you lose any consitutional rights to defend yourself. so nazi like nt msongs Aug 2017 #9
I'm hip, why in the hell would a defendant be involved in one? uponit7771 Aug 2017 #12
Wondering if they go through this route rather than collusion..... Chakaconcarne Aug 2017 #11
Maybe next time lunasun Aug 2017 #14
That should be the end result - too suspicious that he turned 3 states Hill Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2017 #19
Thank you all . Go get em prosecutors lunasun Aug 2017 #15
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
2. Grand jury is the first step in presenting evidence, taking testimony and
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:07 PM
Aug 2017

Issuing indictments. It's power is sweeping....

no_hypocrisy

(46,287 posts)
3. A grand jury is empanelled to hear the charges of someone who broke a criminal law.
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:09 PM
Aug 2017

They hear all the evidence without the benefit of exculpating evidence (stuff that would neutralize or explain the bad stuff).

They take a vote. Sufficient votes means an indictment and criminal charges will be formally filed and a criminal trial will be held to determine guilt with a different panel of jurors.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. Federal Grand Juries do three things
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:12 PM
Aug 2017

1. listen to evidence
2. issue subpoenas
3. issue indictments

Empanelling a grand jury now means that Mueller has enough evidence to do 1 and 2 that he believes will lead to 3. And unlike local prosecutors, who have to deal with every pickpocket, federal prosecutors only bother with important, strong cases.

BigmanPigman

(51,650 posts)
7. On MSNBC they've been explaining it. Basically it is a name change
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:14 PM
Aug 2017

and is now a "special grand jury investigation" (no longer called the Mueller Investigation). It indicates the severity of the phase of the investigation. If they call you in to testify you don't have a choice and when you go you are alone and without your lawyer. If you are asked to testify they pretty much have you nailed already and they have the info to nail you. It is very scary and intimidating, especially for peers and co-workers workers who may have to testify themselves.

Mueller has entered a new phase with this and it will take a while but hat is because they are dotting their "i"so and crossing their "t"so. They want this so solid, complete and thorough and we have to be patient.

They are checking out the fake prez's finances and ties to Russia that was as well as collusion and also obstruction of justice.

They need to move to the larger location for all the space they need for the growing staff, all the documentation, special attorneys, the Grand Jury itself, and the people who testify need to be conveniently located as far as distance goes.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. Someone I heard said that he opted to be in DC for the anti-Trump jury pool - vs
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:43 PM
Aug 2017

potentially less favorable No VA

Ms. Toad

(34,124 posts)
8. As a general rule,
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:16 PM
Aug 2017

with a competent prosecutor, grand juries result in criminal charges. It isn't guaranteed, but the procedure is relatively one-sided so it favors prosecution.

I would not be surprised if it was empaneled a bit early in this case, because of the threat that Trump will try to fire Mueller. The more framework in place, the harder to dismiss the process.

pnwmom

(109,023 posts)
16. Maybe it's a bit early, but the FBI has been gathering evidence since last summer,
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 07:53 PM
Aug 2017

and CNN reported today that there's been a FISA warrant on Carter Page since 2014 (in addition to the previously reported FISA warrant on Alfa bank). So they've already had a year to sort through a lot of evidence.

And those are the only warrants we know about, but there could be others. Manafort, for example.

Chakaconcarne

(2,478 posts)
11. Wondering if they go through this route rather than collusion.....
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 05:47 PM
Aug 2017

Will we ever find out whether hackers switched votes?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. That should be the end result - too suspicious that he turned 3 states Hill
Thu Aug 3, 2017, 10:45 PM
Aug 2017

was ahead in. Stinks to high heaven

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