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jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 08:09 AM Jul 2017

Why do the DEMS on tv keep calling health insurance an entitlement?

Zerlina Maxwell on Rev Al now, and again refers to it....you can't take away an entitlement....THIS IS A HOT BUTTON WORD FOR THE REPUBLICANS.....stop it, please. Next they will call it abortion insurance....These are OUR guys. They should know better.

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Why do the DEMS on tv keep calling health insurance an entitlement? (Original Post) jodymarie aimee Jul 2017 OP
I think they burnbaby Jul 2017 #1
That and republicans use entitlement to describe social security loyalsister Jul 2017 #24
Yes. Rich kids Don Jr and Ivanka and Jared are entitled. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #29
or loyalsister Jul 2017 #39
Oh my, we mustn't trigger the Republicans jberryhill Jul 2017 #2
You know, I've always been very non-confrontational about word choice and trying to... Shandris Jul 2017 #14
SOCIAL SAFETY NET!!!!! sharedvalues Jul 2017 #3
What is wrong with the word? We ARE entitled to these government programs. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #18
Luntz focus-grouped the e word sharedvalues Jul 2017 #19
They would do that to ANY word that we picked. Originally, there was "charity." pnwmom Jul 2017 #23
Here's a good read, why 'social safety net' is better. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #25
p.s. keep up the good work pnwmom sharedvalues Jul 2017 #26
Thanks, sharedvalues. You made some good points, too! pnwmom Jul 2017 #28
It's the right word, you are entitled marylandblue Jul 2017 #4
It's earned. You worked for it. It is compensation. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #27
But that's what "entitled" means -- that you deserve it, not that it's just handed to you. n/t pnwmom Jul 2017 #30
Yes. Those are great programs that help people. sharedvalues Jul 2017 #32
But these are people who are convinced that no one should have a safety net. pnwmom Jul 2017 #37
True, but the deplorables are too dumb to get that. And, they want the entitlements Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #33
"Social safety net". No e-word :) sharedvalues Jul 2017 #38
Why use words like liberal and progressive when talking about Ds? stopbush Jul 2017 #5
Great point, I am not a progressive, at all , but I am a liberal, but right now given the Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #34
Why do you call Democrats "DEMS" but call Republicans by their proper name? Towlie Jul 2017 #6
We have called ourselves DEMs for decades jodymarie aimee Jul 2017 #11
I use "Dems" because it is short and easier to type on a mobile keyboard. tblue37 Jul 2017 #12
I agree, I pay a lot of money for my insurance MiniMe Jul 2017 #7
Why do YOU believe "entitlement" is a pejorative? marybourg Jul 2017 #8
Well said GulfCoast66 Jul 2017 #9
Not to us, to the Rs jodymarie aimee Jul 2017 #10
So we should be cowed marybourg Jul 2017 #13
No, but we have to acknowledge the intellectual level of who we are dealing with Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #35
It reeks of "sense of entitlement" Ron Obvious Jul 2017 #15
It's the negative marketing, not the words we choose marylandblue Jul 2017 #16
See the article above. See how Koches use the e word sharedvalues Jul 2017 #31
to distinguish it from a right, which it is not Dreamer Tatum Jul 2017 #17
I believe healthcare is a right...and now thanks to the ACA...more folks feel that way. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #22
It is a right if you live in a society where decency is the order of the day. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #36
If it's a right, then you should heal and treat yourself. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2017 #40
Healthcare should be an entitlement. You buy insurance through a private entity Autumn Jul 2017 #20
I have not trouble with that word...we are entitled to health care period. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #21
 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
1. I think they
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 08:18 AM
Jul 2017

Call it an entitlement in order to save the aca. You can't take entitlements away without a backlash

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
24. That and republicans use entitlement to describe social security
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jul 2017

and anything that helps poor people in order to paint poor people as having a sense of entitlement. Expanding the use of that concept to working class, middle class, etc in the US diminishes the power of that word to demonize government administered and funded programs that also help people.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
29. Yes. Rich kids Don Jr and Ivanka and Jared are entitled.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:51 PM
Jul 2017

Average Americans have a social safety net. Which is a benefit we all pay taxes for to help ourselves and those less fortunate.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. Oh my, we mustn't trigger the Republicans
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 08:48 AM
Jul 2017

You know what else are "hot button words" for Republicans? Equality, Justice, and Liberty

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
14. You know, I've always been very non-confrontational about word choice and trying to...
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jul 2017

...take a high ground and all that, but I think I'm coming around to this way of thinking. EVERYTHING triggers them (while they complain about being triggered). It's ridiculous. And I've had quite enough of it.

Don't think I'd call INSURANCE an entitlement though, think I'd call HEALTHCARE an entitlement. Let the Republicans worry about how to come out and say 'No, no one is entitled to live just because we know how to make it happen'.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
3. SOCIAL SAFETY NET!!!!!
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 08:57 AM
Jul 2017

Why Dems use the E word is beyond me. It's a dumb word that doesn't even accurately describe those social safety net programs.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
19. Luntz focus-grouped the e word
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:09 PM
Jul 2017

It evokes anti-societal, anti-poor feelings. That's why the GOP uses it.

I am making no judgement about its meaning. I am merely saying that we know using the word helps the GOP. "Social Safety Net" communicates the true purpose and communicates progressive values.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
23. They would do that to ANY word that we picked. Originally, there was "charity."
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jul 2017

They ruined that word, so we switched to entitlement -- as in, we were entitled to it because we paid for it -- it was not charity.

Then they ruined that word. They will ruin ANY word that we use for the programs of the social safety net.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
25. Here's a good read, why 'social safety net' is better.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jul 2017

I don't disagree that the right puts a lot of effort into PR and propaganda to ruin words (Masha Gessen's recent articles on language and Putin are particularly good.)

However, the "E word" is particularly good for billionaires and bad for average Americans.

http://www.lettingthedataspeak.com/entitlement-the-word-2/

Manipulated words that try to force you to think along certain lines are particularly insidious. `Entitlement’ has become one of those. It was this that George Orwell meant by newspeak, language “designed to diminish the range of thought” (“1984”), words and language that invert customary meanings, channel your thoughts.

Consider this statement from a Koch brothers’ funded website:

Unchecked growth of the massive entitlement programs threatens to bankrupt the U.S. Government in the next few years. This could cripple our economy. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security – the three biggest federal programs – are on “auto-pilot” and growing faster than the economy.[vi]

`Entitlements’ as redefined makes it easy to group these three programs together, along with words like massive, cripple and bankrupt. Why is this misleading? Social Security is not in dire circumstances and so shouldn’t be tied in with the two health care programs. The cost increases in Medicare and Medicaid are because of increasing costs of health care generally and are not specific to those programs. Health care cost-growth is considered a problem. Fix that and the Medicare/Medicaid increases are fixed. On the other hand, if the real purpose is to cut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security benefits, then linking them together as `entitlements’ along with flavor words warning of doom may be a way to persuade. But it doesn’t convey a true impression.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
28. Thanks, sharedvalues. You made some good points, too!
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:50 PM
Jul 2017

I do acknowledge that that word has been ruined. I just don't have confidence that they won't manage to smear any word we use.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. It's the right word, you are entitled
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:19 AM
Jul 2017

You are entitled to healthcare and a dignfied old age. Don't let anyone say you are not.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
27. It's earned. You worked for it. It is compensation.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jul 2017

Billionaire rich kid children, like Ivanka and Jared, are entitled.

We worked for Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. We pay into those programs, either for future benefits or for insurance - to cover us if we happen to get sick.
Those are earned benefits. They are the social safety net.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
32. Yes. Those are great programs that help people.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:54 PM
Jul 2017

The best word the Koches can find to pervert the good SS and Medicare do is the 'e word'. It has a semi-pejorative meaning ("entitled&quot .

But other words better reflect progressive values with no alternative pejorative connotation. "Social safety net". "Earned benefit".

The Koches use the 'e word' to imply a handout. But really these programs are insurance - we all pay into them so the programs can help us when we need them.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
37. But these are people who are convinced that no one should have a safety net.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 07:04 PM
Jul 2017

They really do believe in the survival of the fittest and have convinced themselves that they and their spawn are the fittest.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
33. True, but the deplorables are too dumb to get that. And, they want the entitlements
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:55 PM
Jul 2017

just as we do, they just dont want trans, gay, black, latino, muslim, jewish, etc. to get get them.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
5. Why use words like liberal and progressive when talking about Ds?
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jul 2017

not to mention the word Democrat!

These are hot button words for Rs. We should start identifying ourselves as "them."

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
34. Great point, I am not a progressive, at all , but I am a liberal, but right now given the
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:56 PM
Jul 2017

circumstances, I am a DEMOCRAT.

There was a time in the past when I would not want to be known only as that, but now it is necessary.

Towlie

(5,322 posts)
6. Why do you call Democrats "DEMS" but call Republicans by their proper name?
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jul 2017

To me, the word "Dem" carries a mildly pejorative tone, and more often than not you see it in something a right-winger wrote.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
11. We have called ourselves DEMs for decades
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jul 2017

over here, it is a marvelous word...... or abbreviation.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
12. I use "Dems" because it is short and easier to type on a mobile keyboard.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jul 2017

It is harder to sensibly abbreviate "Republican." Sometimes I use "GOP" but that requires capitalizing all letters--i. e., another awkward keystroke, and my autocorrect keep changing it to "TOP."

MiniMe

(21,709 posts)
7. I agree, I pay a lot of money for my insurance
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jul 2017

$1,100/month. And I hate to think of how expensive it would be without the ACA. I'm old enough to really need insurance, but not old enough for Medicare yet. I'm hoping Medicare will still be around in 5 years.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
9. Well said
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:17 PM
Jul 2017

We need to make the republicans tell the American people that Health Care is not a right. Make them say it over and over.

The American people now see it as a right

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
10. Not to us, to the Rs
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jul 2017

they bastardize words and give them entirely different meanings...In Wisconsin union and teacher are dirty words, whereas right to work and pro life are good words. You know how they fuck with FREEDOM, free to be poor, uneducated, homeless, without insurance.

That was the point...hot button words the Rs jump on.

marybourg

(12,589 posts)
13. So we should be cowed
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jul 2017

into changing our perfectly appropriate usage of language (again)? Uhh uhh. We've reclaimed
" liberal " and will not be pushed around by their language nazis any more. Entitlement is exactly the right word for things we are entitled to. The real bone of contention is that they don't think we're entitled to anything.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
35. No, but we have to acknowledge the intellectual level of who we are dealing with
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:59 PM
Jul 2017

along with the decades of brainwashing they have undergone.

Death tax, etc.

They believe lies, pretty much every single thing they believe is a lie, so we have to figure out how to say these things.

There is no good answer when you are dealing with deplorables.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
15. It reeks of "sense of entitlement"
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jul 2017

It just has a negative connotation these days. It conjures up the idea of wanting something for free, unearned.

I'm sure these things are all thoroughly studied and focus-grouped, like "Democrat Party" to give something a negative connotation. The Democrats are generally naive when it comes to branding and naming, much more so than the Republicans.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
16. It's the negative marketing, not the words we choose
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 05:55 PM
Jul 2017

Whatever word we choose, they will turn it into a negative. They did with the word liberal, so some switched to progressive, and they did the same to that word too. "Queer" used to be a perjorative, but when people started to use it on themsleves, it lost its negative power. So don't run from the label, own it!

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
31. See the article above. See how Koches use the e word
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jul 2017

It's far better for us to use "social safety net". Billionaires hate that.

Good explanation:
http://www.lettingthedataspeak.com/entitlement-the-word-2/

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
17. to distinguish it from a right, which it is not
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 05:57 PM
Jul 2017

If you have to get it from someone else, it is not a right. If someone else provides it to you by law, it's an entitlement.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
40. If it's a right, then you should heal and treat yourself.
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 09:15 PM
Jul 2017

Can you do that? Or do you go get healthcare from someone else?

It's an entitlement.

Autumn

(44,984 posts)
20. Healthcare should be an entitlement. You buy insurance through a private entity
Sun Jul 30, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jul 2017

not the government. Insurance is not an entitlement. Was she talking about insurance or the ACA?

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