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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA suggestion to induce a rapid, rabid, off the charts reaction from Two Scoops:
Start an investigation into Ivanka and keep it in the news.
Not just about her Chinese sweat shop shoes. Not just about her bullshit stand-ins for a functioning FLOTUS.
Investigations into HER security holes. Ask about her dealings with the Chinese government during the time her husband arranged for the Chinese president to visit her father, as US president. Ask about her security forms and how forthcoming she was about her spouse's dealings (the questions that start with the phrase "Have you or your spouse . . . ." ). Ask about her sitting in for her father at meetings during the G19.
Ask anything you can think of and watch Two Scoops go ballistic.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)What was so important that she had to leave a newborn, fly to the other side of the planet for? I mean, I assume she didn't take a newborn onto an airplane, public or private, to a foeign country. She just had to get away with her bff?
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Some think Ivanka's selfie with Wendi was a distraction:
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/17/1644558/-Confirmed-Rybolovlev-s-Jet-Yacht-were-in-Dubrovnik-the-same-time-as-Ivanka-and-Jarred-Kushner
volstork
(5,401 posts)a great plan to me. There is something weird and unsettling about their relationship
Stinky The Clown
(67,799 posts)Maybe show these more widely and ask what was going on.
And the skeeviest of them all:
Stinky The Clown
(67,799 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)For someone who claims to find their relationship "unsettling", you do seem to enjoy focusing on it.
we can do it
(12,185 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)for things unproven is not to my taste -- I prefer pertinent political fact over smarmy speculation about his daughter.
uponit7771
(90,339 posts)... I'm off base here too ... honestly would like to know what you think about the totality of statements he's said about his own daughter?
Regards
whathehell
(29,067 posts)what he's said about Ivanks is inappropriate? Yes, I do..Do I think it implies actual incest?... No, I don't.
In regard to Ivanka, what disgusted me most about Trump was his tolerating Howard Stern's calling her "a piece of ass"in his presence. . THAT, which reeked more of disrespect and misogyny, IMO, is what really made me sick....What kind of father would tolerate that?
His referring to her as a beauty and saying that he would "date her if she "wasn't his daughter" was inappropriate, but not "shocking".
No one likes to talk about it, but psycholigists has told us for years that there's a certain amount of sexual attraction between parents and children -- It's unhealthy if it overwhelms their parental instinct and is acted upon.
demmiblue
(36,854 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Could we just not go there for awhile? I know it's a big favorite around here but the Smarm Fest needs a rest.
demmiblue
(36,854 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)but, given her age then, the only thing I find a bit inappropriate in the picture, is the length of her dress -- too short for that pose.
Hekate
(90,692 posts)...as background to his publicly visible relationship with his daughter as the favored child, are really...disturbing.
Trump boasts. Look at those early underage photos of Ivanka, which were published in magazines at his behest. She's gorgeous, and he possesses her. In bed? Lap dancing? Sure, she's his property. And his repeated remarks (boasts) to that shock-jock whoever-he-was, that underage Ivanka's body was so desirable that if she were not his daughter he would shtup (oh, sorry, he said date) her himself. Because she is his property; she's a thing.
Not being an East Coaster, I never paid attention to this moron until last year -- I only knew him as a running gag from Doonesbury, who has been following him for 30 years. But when all this with Ivanka surfaced I about gagged when it sank in.
volstork
(5,401 posts)Historically, he seems to treat her as he treats most women-- as a possession to be done with what he wills. He is pure appetite; pure id with no controlling force.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)the relentless focus on it disturbing, and possibly salacious.
Again, as I've stated several times here, , there is NO "lap dancing"
in that picture. She is sitting on his lap -- period. No movement is
suggested and it's exactly this kind of embellishing that makes one
wonder just how much this obsessive interest in a decades old
photo is about titillation rather than "concern".
I mean enough already...It's not as if we don't have enough facts
on the Political front to worry about.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Tell us, because these pictures have been run NUMEROUS times here on DU and the consensus is always that there is no movement seen in that picture and I concur.
Response to yardwork (Reply #32)
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magicarpet
(14,154 posts).... Office of the U.S. Presidency to a fucking perverted Incestuous burlesque show.
Why don't you just move along and focus on something else. Trump surely deserves a pass on this issue.
If the shoe was on the other foot ~ and we were talking about Obama here ~ the Republican Party would look the other way and not touch this issue with a ten foot pole.
Jeez..... where ever did you come up with the idea that playing dirty pool ~ was an okay idea in the political area ?
The Re-thug party would not contemplate or do such a horrible thing as drag their political opponents through the nearest germ infested and feces encrusted cesspool.

Fuck that - fuck them

magicarpet
(14,154 posts)Is that a puddle/stain of bird ejaculatory fluids just beneath the male bird mounted atop the female bird. Who selected this spot for the photo shoot ?
This man is such an in your face incestuous pervert. Can you believe he is really our president ? And the Dominionist Fundamentalists Hyper-Orthodox Christians condone/endorse this guy and worships the ground he walks on - REALLY ?
What a kaleidoscope-ocracy America has become. Makes my head feel like I have done some nasty nasty bad drugs and the dizziness just won't stop.
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)We need for Mueller to finish his investigation in relative peace and this might put Dump over the edge to the point he actually has him fired.
Some might say, "bring it!" but as boring as it is for political junkies; IMHO no news is good news concerning the state of their investigation.
Stinky The Clown
(67,799 posts)The media and the blogosphere could get it all revved up. Twit it. Post it to right wing sites. Et cetera. Soon enough the media will start reporting it. If it gets enough legs, the media will treat it like grade A catnip.
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)...those in a position of power and authority must not start an investigation based on a political grudge. Whatever violations exist must be exposed through the process of fair and objective enforcement.
Of course, if something were found to be amiss it would be huuuuge news because of her status. And if your whole life is nurturing your status, then she's brought it all on herself.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)It's just a matter of time. I think the only Barron, and maybe Tiffany have clean hands.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)The optics are all wrong. She's a pretty white Princess female and for Liberals to be perceived as attacking her, will hurt our cause far more than it will hurt him.
While the point is well taken--nothing would drive him crazier, and she's a complicit as hell, the better way is to upset her through going after Kushner. Her being upset, upsets Daddy. But too uncontrollable to go after her directly.
There are far more unappealing targets to go after in this age of TVee than the Disney-princess-type girl.
mgardener
(1,816 posts)Republicans went after Hillary Clinton.
They go after Nancy Pelosi
They go after Elizabeth Warren.
If Ivanka is guilty of withholding info or using her position in government to enrich herself with the Chinese, then by all means, go for it.
The Republicans have shown us the way.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Seriously..I don't need to wind him up, I just need him to leave.
magicarpet
(14,154 posts)Damage, break, crush, decimate by way of inducing a total mental breakdown - so be it. Fully reduce him to the steaming and quivering pile of human excrement he is ~ and on full display for all the world to see.
The world laughs at America because of this clown. They wonder how America became a Nazi Fascist State. If we persist and succeed in removing trump from the world stage we will be well on our way to restoring that lost respect and show the world good things can come from a vibrant and healthy Democracy.
The American people so cherish and appreciate that Democracy that they wrestled it back and rid their government from the grips of the authoritarian ~ Christo-Fascist ~ gluttonous avaricious Corporatist/Kleptocratic band of Nazis.
Then began the arduous task of assuring and preventing the likes of trump from ever infecting American political systems and/or discourse again ~ not now or allowed to sneak in upon those of future generations that follow. That is a noble gift to give the children and the grandchildren of these United States and a legacy we should be proud to leave behind. History will certainly treat us kindly for having done this.
America was in pain and suffering near overwhelming dis-ease ~ but we healed it and fixed it and inoculated it so this crowd of idiotic greedy human trash can never take advantage of or hold hostage our country, our people, or our government again.
Oh how nice it would be if we could put our minds together and do this.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)and he's not destroyed yet.
I guess I don't see him being "destroyed from within"; I think it's going to require external forces (impeachment, 25th Amendment) to bring h down. .
Hekate
(90,692 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)JI7
(89,250 posts)below is her reaction
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)(until they hand out the subpoenas)
Funtatlaguy
(10,877 posts)Remember that he is a malignant narcissist.
He was never loved appropriately as a child and he never learned those skills later in life.
magicarpet
(14,154 posts)Should have never plunked his ass in our Oval Office. His family knew well how defective, demented, deranged and dysfunctional his thought processes were and how he is prone to gum everything up he touches. Now tell me honestly they thought he could do good for America. The only hope and wish and thought they had in mind was how they could use America as a vehicular motif to realize additional financial obscene self enrichment by means of robbing, plundering, and gaining illegal profits from the US Treasury and walk away totally unscaved ~ leaving the American taxpayer to pickup the tab and suffer the damages of their financial schemes, economic and business escapades.
This is the concept of socializing the costs and privatize the profits ~ on steroids with a shit ton of egregious, intentional, and wanton criminality mixed in.
Fatten the wallets of team Trump and enhance the Trump brand while they rape the coin purses of the masses and common folk.
It should be asked ~ who indeed should we contemplate locking up ? And to think ~ this group of Russian inspired mafiosos have the audacity to point their fingers of blame at the far more esteemed colleagues on the opposite side of the political aisle while absent a shred of any shame.
A name they can not fathom being called ~DEPLORABLES~ it is warranted, they deserve it, they earned it, they own it.