Rick Wilson: This whole thing will burn to the ground before the leadership (Repubs) will man up

[MelissaB]

When asked: So when is your party going to stand up and do something???

RW: Don't you get it? They're not. This whole thing will burn to the ground before the leadership will man up

Link to tweet

[ghostsinthemachine]

1. And forever tar anyone with an (R) next to their name

I am all for drawing it out for a while. More denials, more midterm election and 2012 fodder against the Repukes. Just like Aaaahnold did in CA. No R will get elected to Statewide office here for a very long time. And AS(s) didn't do anything illegal or traitorous, as The Orange Shitgibbon did, or is doing.

[Wednesdays]

55. They said the same thing after Watergate

Nixon's disgrace, Ford's defeat, and dems sweep. They said it was the end of the GOP in 1976.

Well, four short years later...

[Bettie]

2. I've said the same thing

they want him there as their shiny object to distract while they destroy our country, our social safety net, and our reputation in the world.

But, they'll all make a buttload of money while doing it!

[Duppers]

20. Same here.

Some say the rethugs won't stand for TRump even firing Mueller. Wrong.

This article, posted on DU, says it all:

We’re on the Brink of an Authoritarian Crisis | New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/143984/were-brink-authoritarian-crisis

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. I have been saying all along and this includes justice.

There wont be any, it is over.

Putin is in charge.

[pnwmom]

7. NO. NOT HELPFUL. That's the attitude Putin and the GOP WANT us to have.

We must all work together to win Congress back in 2018, and NOT encourage each other to think it's hopeless.

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. I know, but I do those ON PURPOSE to show my ANGER at the people who

oops, i cant talk about ... ...

but they are HERE still, one responded to this in fact, not you

I show this DEFEATIST attitude ON PURPOSE to point out how this was ALL AVOIDABLE but certain "progressives"

oops, there I go again

In fact reading that persons response to me is making madder than I have been in years.

You see I cant EXPLAIN what I am so angry about, it is against the rules here, we are not allowed to TALK about it.

Which is INSANE

What good does it do? Great question, thanks for asking, so we DONT REPEAT the mistake.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. Your frequent defeatist surrender posts ("it is over") are NOT helpful to Democrats or progressives.

[Gabi Hayes]

37. Whoa.....people don't like reality except in very tiny doses

Eh, EW?

Hope we can dig out before it's too late

[workinclasszero]

45. I agree. Until we can fire Putin....

Trump and his lawless party of traitors are going to have their way with America.

The Russian coup is complete and airtight. Putin defeated the USA without a shot being fired. His hand picked puppet is on his obscene throne in the White House.

It's laughable and so naive to think the Republican party is EVER going to impeach their own crime boss! The republican party that existed in Nixon's time is 1000% dead and gone.

The present GOP party members are soulless automatons, sold to the highest bidders. Fuck country they don't give a shit about that just $$$!

They are a pack of TRAITORS!!! They sit on high in judgment of the American people discussing how many millions will have to die to appease their 1% masters.

We are a client state of Putin's Russia! WTF is CNN, MSNBS, ABC, CBS going to start reporting this?????

My guess is NEVER because they are owned by the 1%er's as well.

Ben Franklin said we have ‘A Republic, if You Can Keep It’

I hate to say it but I think time is over now. We will know real soon.

[Eliot Rosewater]

46. Thank you , and my point is this was ALL AVOIDABLE but for...oops, cant say it

[Skittles]

4. I detest the expression "man up"

it implies that male body parts are required for courage, which we all know is such absolute bullshit

[OnDoutside]

5. No, it doesn't, it's the difference between being a boy and having the maturity of a man

If — By Rudyard Kipling



If you can keep your head when all about you


Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,


If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,


But make allowance for their doubting too;


If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,


Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,


Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,


And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:





If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;


If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;


If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster


And treat those two impostors just the same;


If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken


Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,


Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,


And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:





If you can make one heap of all your winnings


And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,


And lose, and start again at your beginnings


And never breathe a word about your loss;


If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew


To serve your turn long after they are gone,


And so hold on when there is nothing in you


Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’





If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,


Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,


If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,


If all men count with you, but none too much;


If you can fill the unforgiving minute


With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,


Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,


And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

[Skittles]

6. exactly how is that different from just being an ADULT?

[OnDoutside]

10. Why don't you start using the term Adult Up ? Maybe it will catch on !

[Skittles]

13. so sorry you cannot admit I am correct

over and out

[OnDoutside]

15. Only because you are wrong. It's a common saying. There's nothing stopping you from

taking a stand for whatever you want to take a stand for, and bringing "adult up" or whatever, into your everyday speech. Good luck with that.

[Skittles]

16. LOLOL

sexist expressions are OK BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMON!! *ALRIGHTY THEN!*

DONE HERE

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Common is no excuse. "Mighty white of you" used to be common. Using "gay" as negative still common.

I hope you don't use either expression, even though they were/are common.

"Indian giver" used to be common too. Do you use that?

[flibbitygiblets]

38. +1

[Hulk Smash II]

43. Yes. That expression does not malign indians

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. Think again. It does malign and they are not "Indians" which maligns them a second way.

The phrase is still in colloquial use to describe a negative act or shady business dealings, but the racial implications are seen as not only inaccurate but offensive,[3][4] especially by Native Americans.[1]

in the 1997 book The Color of Words: An Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Ethnic Bias in the United States, writer and editor Philip H. Herbst says that although the phrase is often used innocently by children, it may be interpreted as offensive,[3] and The Copyeditor's Handbook (1999) describes it as objectionable.[4]

Welcome to DU, I think. Enjoy your stay.

[OnDoutside]

50. In fairness, that's just being silly. If I'm talking to a male

"man up" is perfectly fine, to a female perhaps not for some, especially if they are uber sensitive about words. Common isn't an excuse, it's a fact. Seriously, people would want to adult up a bit.

Religious NJs will be up in arms about Devil's Advocate or Speak of the devil!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Sexism is sexism even when it is two men talking together. Like for racism, that's no excuse either.

Racism is racism even when it is two whites talking together.

This kind of excuse making ("just two men" or "just two whites" ) is how racial and sexist stereotypes are propagated and perpetuated.

It is not enough to merely adjust one's speech depending on whether a woman is present or not. The thinking behind the sexism remains.

Progressive people avoid sexist language because the eschew the attitudes of sexism, not because there might be somebody "sensitive" or "uber sensitive" about words.


Since "common" is not an excuse, then don't use it as an excuse like you did.

[OnDoutside]

52. I completely disagree with you. This goes to ridiculous lengths, it's no wonder people recoil

against such silliness.

I'll use "common" as I wish, thanks very much.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. It's easy to purge sexist language. In RETAINING it, you're the one going to ridiculous lengths

... clinging to sexist language. Very strange.

[OnDoutside]

54. In YOUR opinion ! If you want to see sexism in everything, off you go, but please stop trying to

browbeat everyone else. You're the one going to ridiculous lengths to browbeat others, I'm not going to any lengths as I do not consider it sexist.

I don't always disagree with your posts, but this is type of stuff is frankly, a waste of keystrokes.

[maddiemom]

39. Not a bad idea.

But of course it will never catch on. Relax Skittles. It's just an age old expression. Technically a woman could "man up" as well. An old grammatical rule always required the male form being used when both sexes were included. Women's Lib hit, and suddenly articles and pronouns started getting twisted around to ridiculous and nonsensical variations which sounded ridiculous. There are plenty of legitimate feminine grievances. Using the male form of adjectives/articles, etc. is over the top as a complaint. What about "Man" as a species? "Mankind"? It's a biological, rather than sexual term.

[OnDoutside]

41. It's funny, I've used that term recently, a couple of times, for the the first time in as

long as I can remember. I have a fantastic 11 year old son who is intelligent and kind, but cries rather easily. It's just that he's gentle, (and we don't want that to change), but there are lots of kids out there, that he will interact with, who would buy and sell him. In a couple of situations I have found myself asking him to "man up a little", not harshly or anything, but I explained what I mean. It's a handy shortcut, in getting across that it's not the end of the world if he has to eat a small bit of veg (!), or it's his responsibility to make sure he packs his Nintendo DS charger and then forgets.

[Eliot Rosewater]

47. And DU is liberal, can you imagine what the rightwing sites are like?

Country is so fucked up.

[Nevernose]

8. Here's three minutes of spoken word

It's a bullshit phrase (but Kipling is awesome).

[Skittles]

11. wow - does he ever get it

yes INDEED

[loyalsister]

18. More....

"Be A Man" The pressure starts so early.

http://www.upworthy.com/theres-something-absolutely-wrong-with-what-we-do-to-boys-before-they-grow-into-men

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. +1. That was unexpectedly excellent and spot on point. Thank you! . . . . nt

[Hekate]

29. Awesome (and so's Kipling)

[spooky3]

40. He's great--thank you for posting.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. It is sexist to assume that a politician has to be male gender. Period. . . nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. you're wrong. she's right.

[Maven]

19. Yes, it's archaic sexist BS. nt

[Saviolo]

21. Best response I've seen so far: Fortify!

I think this tumblr post got spread around commonly a couple years back, and I've been attempting to integrate in instead of "man up" or "grow some balls" or any other sex-specific language:

http://theasexualityblog.tumblr.com/post/118868398096/phantom-locked-ontopofgravity-i-asked-one-of

[flibbitygiblets]

31. It also perpetuates the sense that men run congress--clearly a big part of the problem

What we need is less soft fragile testes and some titanium ovaries to bring common sense and working together.

[uponit7771]

9. Ryan and McConnell are on Russia's payroll too, I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if they are

[Skittles]

12. of course they are

Obama was denied a Supreme Court pick because these treasonous bastards *KNEW* Hillary would be denied the presidency

[uponit7771]

14. RussiaPlublican party should all be going to jail, there's no "...its in the past.." with this shit

[TeapotInATempest]

34. Your point needs to be screamed from the rooftops daily

It's time for all Democrats to take off the gloves; our democracy is hanging by a thread.

[malaise]

17. The leadership is

sworn to secrecy - no joke.

[Eliot Rosewater]

48. Nunes, Chaffetz, Rohrabacher and more, too.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. "man up"? Why the sexist phrase? (Wilson, not MelissaB) Is Nancy Pelosi ever required to "man up"?

[Achilleaze]

27. The Republican betrayal of America is epic skuzz

Republicans will be long remembered for betraying the United States of America, as Russia continues to hack a power grid, I nuclear facilities and our elections

[Hekate]

32. That's an awe-inspiring comment

And no, I don't care if he said "man up." Consider the source and what it cost him to come out with that admission.

[SunSeeker]

33. Yep. nt

[sharedvalues]

35. And he means "American democracy" by "This whole thing"

In context:

"American democracy will burn to the ground before the [GOP] leadership will man up."

[bucolic_frolic]

36. Please define "this whole thing"

it would help my Doomsday planning

[JHB]

49. Rick leaves out that he's one of the people who made his party what it is.

[CousinIT]

56. That's their objective: DESTROY the US Gov't. They said so. SHitler & Bannon. n/t