Jill Stein is NOT on our side.

[onecaliberal]

She is playing all sides of the fence. I don't care what your lame ass excuse is for sitting at a table with Putin, no American who really cares about our country would be caught dead sitting with our enemy, the country that declared war on America and stole the 2016 election. I'd love to know what happened to the money she ripped off from the democratic people. This woman is a Russian puppet, she is an epic piece of crap. If you support her on any way shape or form, you are NOT on the side of democracy.

[BannonsLiver]

1. Stein is a multimillionaire Russian asset

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Jill Stein & Republican Flynn dining with Authoritarian Putin in Moscow 2015

[FarPoint]

37. She sure the fuck is...

A Russian Operative ....

[hrmjustin]

2. Stein and the greens were never on our side.

Amazing how many were duped by them through the years.

[onecaliberal]

3. It really pisses me off that the media acts like she's on our team when he bashes us

But has nothing bad to say about trump and Russia.

[hrmjustin]

4. The media enjoys the Democrats/Left disunity meme.

[workinclasszero]

5. Yup

[renegade000]

7. To be fair to global greens...

The international green parties hate Stein as well. Nothing about being a spoiler for Trump or a stooge of a giant petro-mafia state is endearing to true greens.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. We ended up with Bush because of them and helped to get Trump in.

Took money from Republicans and from Russia in Steins case.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. For those who voted for this FAKE,

world events must really be biting them in the ass and pocket book.

[onecaliberal]

10. I certainly hope so. I wish she'd run off to Russia now and stfu

[Wellstone ruled]

15. Was totally amazed

that the Dems who voted for this Trick Pony did not know what she was all about. The Deal with her at the Putin told the whole story. Plus stories about the Trump Campaign moving money to her Campaign. Here was the real kicker,what happened to all those sucker donations that went into the Wisconsin Recount? Suckers.

[onecaliberal]

17. Yes. As I stated I would love to know where that money went.

I don't understand why folks donated to that supposed recount effort when Clinton herself said it was pointless. If there was something there the secretary would have pursued all legal recourse.

[Wellstone ruled]

18. Shades of the

Sarah Pac. Which is still in operation .

[onecaliberal]

20. It must be running low, hence her lawsuit against The NY Times

[Wellstone ruled]

28. Understand she and her Daughter have sold off a couple of Houses

in the last year. Have a SIL who still sends her a check when her goes begging via a Face Book.

[onecaliberal]

30. Interesting. Maybe she should get an actual job.

[Wellstone ruled]

31. Not going to happen.

There are just enough Ignorant people she can Grift,which is a family tradition.

[onecaliberal]

32. stupid is as stupid does.

[FakeNoose]

29. There were people who didn't want Trump, but also didn't like Hillary

That's who voted for Stein, people who protested against Hillary.

Thanks guys. What brilliance.

[onecaliberal]

33. They definitely fucked the entire world in ways that we don't even know about yet.

[emulatorloo]

51. From what I read on Reddit, Stein voters and BOB's don't connect their actions to the results.

Nor do they agknowledge Russian Interference or that they gullibly fell for memes coming out of RT and Sputnik news that specifically targeted them.

Still going on about Evil Dems and eating up right-wing conspiracies.

[Wellstone ruled]

53. My take also.

[ProudLib72]

8. Jill Stein is a Russian agent

HRC knew all along, and that's why she didn't want the recount. She knew it was a distraction.

[saidsimplesimon]

9. Jill who?

It seems to me she really does not rate any free publicity. I voted for Mrs. Clinton. I've moved on to races in 2018.

[onecaliberal]

11. She's inserting herself into 2018 talking about how democrats have lost everything

Because of failed policy. She was on MSM tv TODAY

[saidsimplesimon]

19. onecali

I have no idea what she is saying because in my twisted mind, she is not worth the effort. I've commented twice on a non-entity today. She has exceeded her 15 mins. of fame in my book.

[onecaliberal]

21. I agree with you, but for far too many they listen to what she says. If she weren't

Relevant she'd not be invited on these shows. I would love nothing more than for her to stfu and just go back to Russia and never return.

[saidsimplesimon]

25. Some so called

"news" entertainment shows want to spread a message of disunity amoung Democrats to their viewers using this pathetic politician as bait. imo

I don't care if she stfu as both my fingers are in my ears and "la,la,la I can't hear you." (a homage to Stephen Colbert)

[MiddleClass]

12. 2000, George Bush 2016, Donald Trump

The Green party gave Republican global warming deniers, 12 out of the last 20 years to gut the EPA regulations.


How much do the ass holes have to do to destroy the environment before they lose the right to use "green" party.

Ralph Nader was a good man that screwed up,

Jill Stein, well what can you say?

Pisses me off.

[onecaliberal]

14. Yeah should be "yellow" if you ask me

[larry budwell]

13. POS

Lock her up !

[octoberlib]

22. She's a hypocrite .

Jill Stein’s Ideology Says One Thing—Her Investment Portfolio Says Another



the holier-than-thou Green Party candidate rails against Big Carbon, big banks, Big Pharma—while she holds substantial investments in them.

YASHAR ALI
10.26.16 6:25 PM ET
Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein has largely based her campaign on her uncompromising positions on the environment, opposition to big banks and Wall Street, defense contractors, and the pharmaceutical industry. But an analysis of her financial disclosures, which she was required to file as a presidential candidate, show she is heavily invested in the very industries that she maligns the most and as a result of her investments, she has built significant wealth.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-steins-ideology-says-one-thingher-investment-portfolio-says-another

[struggle4progress]

23. Stein ... name sounds familiar ... it'll come to me ... wait ... Stein ...

Isn't she the dentist who says a satanic colony on Mars sent Obama to DC to capture slaves for a pizza parlor in the basement of a Martian whorehouse?

[onecaliberal]

24. That's right struggle..... thanks for the chuckle.

[TexasProgresive]

26. What would make you think any of us believe she is? n/t

[onecaliberal]

27. Lots of dems donated to her recount efforts, and voted for her

[TexasProgresive]

36. It's just that I've never seen a post supporting her here.

I suppose there were some and some who got taken in by her money raising scam for recounts.

[Hekate]

40. Several DU Stein fans have popped up in the other threads today. Poor babies.

[iluvtennis]

35. With 20-20 hindsight, I agree. So sorry I contributed to her recount efforts.

[Hekate]

46. In my desperation, I almost dropped her 20 bucks for her recount scam. Almost.

But, gods, I felt desperate.

[LWolf]

38. Good lord.

Is that what we've devolved to? The Cold War? Really?

I'm not with you on this one. Russia is not my enemy. Stein is not my enemy. My enemies are right here at home:

1. Trump and his supporters.

2. Neoliberals.

There are too many terrible things happening right here, right now, for me to engage in a dramatic meltdown over Russia or Stein.

[Demsrule86]

41. What pray tell is a 'neo liberal'?

[Hekate]

43. Can you define "neoliberals" and why they are your enemies, LWolf?

Do they call themselves Democrats, by any chance, but you know better? Just curious.

Also, you are wrong about Russia and the Cold War. No one thinks they are Commies, and the Cold War is over.

Russia is now ruled by oligarchs and former KGB men, and they buy Western traitors with money, not ideology. And they ARE at war with us and Western Europe. It's a real war, make no mistake.

Trump and his moneyed supporters are hand in glove with Putin.

So tell me again about "neoliberals" being the enemy, please?

[LWolf]

55. I'm not sure

why I would need to; until 2016, neoliberalism was discussed frequently at DU without any need to defend it. Still, if you need the information, you can delve here, and in other places:

https://www.thenation.com/article/noam-chomsky-neoliberalism-destroying-democracy/

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/neoliberalism-and-higher-education/

https://www.britannica.com/topic/neoliberalism

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/09/6_ways_neoliberal_education_reform_is_destroying_our_college_system_partner/

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/a_short_history_of_neoliberalism_and_how_we_can_fix_it

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/david-harvey-neoliberalism-capitalism-labor-crisis-resistance/

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

I have, of course, noted the new urge at DU to: 1. Suggest that neoliberalism isn't real, or 2. If it is, defend it. Neoliberalism hasn't changed. Partisan Democrats have shifted to support a neoliberal establishment.

The above links should make it clear why I think neoliberalism, and neoliberals, are the enemy. While I'm not a fan of Putin, I'm well aware that Putin is not Russia, just as Trump is not America. I freely acknowledge that Russian government, like so many others, is riddled with corruption, and meddles on the global scene. So does the United States. I reference the cold war, because I can remember the fear of the Soviet Union from my childhood. I can remember McCarthyism. The current rants about Russia being our enemy are certainly reminiscent of those times. I'm not saying that there isn't something to what you say; of course, the United States is also ruled by oligarchs. I think we ought to clean up our own house before we throw stones, to mix some metaphors. I'm saying that while there may be some legitimacy to concerns about Russia, the bigger enemies are right here at home. I think that some of the outrage about Russia is a deliberate distraction by those that don't want to acknowledge and confront our own corruption.

[betsuni]

44. LOL NEOLIBERALS

[LWolf]

56. YEP. NEOLIBERALS:

https://www.thenation.com/article/noam-chomsky-neoliberalism-destroying-democracy/

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/neoliberalism-and-higher-education/

https://www.britannica.com/topic/neoliberalism

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/09/6_ways_neoliberal_education_reform_is_destroying_our_college_system_partner/

http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/a_short_history_of_neoliberalism_and_how_we_can_fix_it

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/david-harvey-neoliberalism-capitalism-labor-crisis-resistance/

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

[Maven]

45. Russia is not your enemy but 'neoliberals' are?

You might have taken a wrong turn somewhere. The ratf*cking operation known as JPR might be more to your liking.

[LWolf]

57. Interesting

that you've appointed yourself as DU's gatekeeper; where were you when I found DU 15 years ago? Why in the world have I ever been allowed to be in the "house" all this time???

As far as JPR goes, there are some great people there. At the very least, I wouldn't be flinging spittle and epithets at a site named for a wonderful DUer who is no longer with us.

You may remember the old "Who We Are" statement that was in effect before the move to DU3: It said DU was the premier left-leaning site on the Web, and for Democrats AND others with those progressive goals; my words, from memory, not a quote.

Around '08 DU became not so underground, and much more centrist than "left," but some of us are still around. I know that there is a contingent that would like to finish purging the left, who think the left are "ratfuckers," to use your term (except I'm not afraid of using it, lol), but then, what would DU be but an echo chamber, irrelevant to the greater world?

Surely you can engage in argument without personal attacks. Are you trying to claim that DU is a safe haven for neoliberals, and they should not be opposed here?

Russia is not the greater issue; we have problems right here at home to address. 2016 provided abundant evidence of that. We don't address those problems by ignoring them, by minimizing them, by distracting from them. We need to confront them. Neoliberalism has fed those problems.

[onecaliberal]

47. Russia ripped off the 2016 election for TRUMP You can bury your head in the sand but you're getting

A trip to the dust bin. No one has time for that.

[DinahMoeHum]

39. GREEN Party: Getting Republicans Elected Every November

[bresue]

42. Frankly, her naivety is very, very misplaced!

I watched her interview today and her flimsy excuses....oh, woo me, I was advocating for peace in the mideast is so unacceptable!

And being a Russian stooge....wittingly or non-wittingly is not an excuse when Mueller starts investigating her. If she was brave enough to put her hat in the Russian ring, than she is going to be painted that way. There are no ifs, whats, or abouts.

[Cha]

48. No kidding.. she's a Liar

[PufPuf23]

49. Stein had no business being considered for POTUS and probabkly should not have met with Putin.

That said, the substance and tone of your post is delusional and counter-productive.

[onecaliberal]

50. I'm delusional. Maybe you should read more.

[Gothmog]

52. A vote for stein or Johnson was a vote for trump

[Gothmog]

54. A vote for stein was a vote for trump