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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:04 AM Jul 2012

Is LIBOR the Death of the "Conspiracy Theory" putdown...

To wit:

"Do you have any idea how silly you sound? Do you know how many people would have to be involved in openly breaking the law?"

Not that all "conspiracy theories" are true - indeed I think many of the most outlandish are created to divert attention from real, active conspiracies.

But the out-of-hand dismissal of all conspiracy is just as silly as an Illuminati theory. Read the emails in the LIBOR scandal:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/09/paul-tucker-libor-emails-ratefixing?newsfeed=true

It's always a question of motive and non-regulation.

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Is LIBOR the Death of the "Conspiracy Theory" putdown... (Original Post) Junkdrawer Jul 2012 OP
It's only a conspiracy... orwell Jul 2012 #1
The scope of the LIE-BOR scandal is too great to believe. Zalatix Jul 2012 #2
As Matt Tabbai put it, LIBOR is at the heart of the financial universe.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #3
That's why when it broke my mind just reeled nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #5
It's also something that's pretty much impossible for one institution to monkey with... JHB Jul 2012 #11
Yep. I think many suspect Governments encouraged this.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #12
Link to scope of LIBOR? Melissa G Jul 2012 #6
Here's a link to Matt's article.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #7
Is former Barclay's CEO ,Bob Diamond, Jamie Diamond's relative? midnight Jul 2012 #14
No. The Chief Dick in charge of JP Morgan Chase is Jamie Dimon... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #19
Thanks! I'll check it out! Melissa G Jul 2012 #21
Yes and no nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #4
Doubtful. If MKUltra did not cause this death salib Jul 2012 #8
At least it should take a long vacation.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #9
Was this scandal released via wikileaks,emails, and possibly why the United States bankers wanted midnight Jul 2012 #10
Personally, I've never seen the 'conspiracy theory put down' used in reference to: TrollBuster9090 Jul 2012 #13
Careful, the law and order crowd will make fun of you and you will get your post hidden or locked. Huey P. Long Jul 2012 #15
Anyone who just rejects an explanation as a "conspiracy theory" JDPriestly Jul 2012 #16
Shouldn't this thread be in the Conspiracy forum? Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #17
Maybe I can force a Meta-Conspiracy forum.... Junkdrawer Jul 2012 #18
I never meta Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #22
I've always considered myself a conspiracy realist just1voice Jul 2012 #20
 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
2. The scope of the LIE-BOR scandal is too great to believe.
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jul 2012

$800 trillions dollars? That's about 13 times greater than the whole world's GDP!

Oliver Stone wishes he dreamt this up.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
3. As Matt Tabbai put it, LIBOR is at the heart of the financial universe....
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jul 2012

it would be hard to find a financial instrument of any sort that isn't at least indirectly affected.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
11. It's also something that's pretty much impossible for one institution to monkey with...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jul 2012

...due to the mechanics of how it's figured, an outlier would get tossed out. To manipulate it, just about all of the institutions involved have to be doing it.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
12. Yep. I think many suspect Governments encouraged this....
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jul 2012

as a way of helping banks "earn" their way out of the 2008 Crisis.

If by "earning" they mean "Allow Peter to rob from Paul because we need Peter".

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
6. Link to scope of LIBOR?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jul 2012

Sorry, I'd like to follow this, but have been off line lately. Do you have a more comprehensive link than the one posted?
Thanks,
Melissa

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
19. No. The Chief Dick in charge of JP Morgan Chase is Jamie Dimon...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jul 2012

...a person that deserves to spend an eternity with desperately itchy balls and no arms...

midnight

(26,624 posts)
10. Was this scandal released via wikileaks,emails, and possibly why the United States bankers wanted
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jul 2012

Julian Assange put out of business via a sex scandal the way they put "Sheriff of Wall Street" Eliot Spitzer out of business?

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
13. Personally, I've never seen the 'conspiracy theory put down' used in reference to:
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jul 2012

1. Professional wrestling being fake,
2. Anderson Cooper being gay,
3. Figure Skating judges colluding to let the Russians win, or
4. The financial industry colluding to fix prices.

Those things qualify as just common sense. They can't be dismissed as merely crackpot conspiracy theories.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. Anyone who just rejects an explanation as a "conspiracy theory"
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 01:30 PM
Jul 2012

doesn't know much about history or about crowd behavior. Everybody reads Shakespeare's Julius Caesar in high school.

"Et tu, Brute."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_tu,_Brute%3F

Conspiracies happen. And they aren't always discovered until long after they have happened.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
20. I've always considered myself a conspiracy realist
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:29 PM
Jul 2012

There are plenty of real conspiracies without inventing new ones.

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