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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStop Pretending You're Not Rich! (NYT Opinion Essay)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/opinion/sunday/stop-pretending-youre-not-rich.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-regionInteresting article about the top 20%.
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)The top 20% need to realize it is patriotic to pay taxes to help those less well off.
At the same time, the top 0.01% and their takeover of the GOP are perhaps the central problem in America today. They are the ones who created the conditions for DJT. The upper middle class voted for Hillary and they generally support raising taxes.
My family rounds to the 20th percentile.
We're public school teachers. Investment income is from an IRA and nearly nothing.
Hardly rich.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)That means that the billionaires at the tippy top and the multi millionaires right below them and averages them in with everybody else in the top 20%, making the average income in that range to be $200,000. In fact, the only really accurate way to assess the average of that group is to peg it at the median, where there are the same number of households above the midpoint as below it. That way, the few insanely rich don't artificially inflate the supposed income of the rest of the upper middle class.
blitzen
(4,572 posts)It suggests that anyone in the top 20% makes $200,000, which is BS for the reason you mention.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)numerically-challenged or possibly using the more-informative median value didn't give results that support their thesis as well.
Nonetheless, it has the ring of truth. I lived and worked in the SF Bay Area for 26 years and - since my wife and I both worked in "professional" environments (a technical government agency and a large law firm) we knew lots of families making $200,000 a year and up (sometimes way up). They all owned homes in nice neighborhoods. Their kids always went to good schools - either they got into one of the few very-highly-ranked public programs or they bit the bullet and paid through the nose for private school. There were performance camps, art camps, robot-building camps, music lessons, gymnastics, soccer, etc, etc, etc. All of it was designed to get them into a good college so that they could get a good job. Sometimes it didn't work out, but usually it did. It's hard for me to villainize them, though. My wife and I don't have kids and it seemed like a lot of work and worry for those that did, no matter how much money they had to throw around.
brer cat
(24,525 posts)Welcome to DU, CozyMystery.
Yavin4
(35,423 posts)Our failure, both the Left and the Right, to see the current struggle as one of class not race is the primary reason why Trump won.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)"America is focused on race and pretends it has no class problem,
while the UK is focused on class and pretends it has no race problem"
JI7
(89,241 posts)but i pointed out how an educated white person is more likely to support trump than a non educated minority .
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Motownman78
(491 posts)I swear, sometimes rich people are the most trashy.
JI7
(89,241 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)And private schools in Manhattan are extremely expensive. At 400k, there is no way they can afford private schooling for two kids. Her beef should be with the financial aid policy of the school.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 12, 2017, 12:11 PM - Edit history (1)
The fact that they're dumb enough to send their kids to that money pit doesn't mean that $400K/year isn't rich. It means that they make catastrophically stupid financial choices.
As for $400K not counting for much in Manhattan, I can pretty much guarantee that someone lives within one mile who's getting by on 90% less.
JI7
(89,241 posts)people like this could easily live a very good life .
but they think they should be able to live and spend like multimillionaires and billionaires and blame "those who don't pay" for their "problems".