Arizona Teabaggers go EVEN MORE INSANE!

[GarroHorus]

Initiative would let voters overrule federal law

PHOENIX -- Voters could get the right to overrule federal laws and mandates under the terms of an initiative filed late Thursday.

The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.

More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."

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Arizona Sun Article

To defend the constitution Arizona Teabaggers have decided they must first destroy the constitution.

What fucking morons. Of course if passed, the law would be struck down as unconstitutional so fast that their heads would spin.

[sinkingfeeling]

1. How does one go about overruling the 'supreme law of the land'?

[GarroHorus]

3. They just live by the Rand Paul doctrine

Just because a couple of supreme court justices say something is constitutional doesn't mean it is.

[Liberal Veteran]

5. Secession.

Didn't really work out so well for my ancestors in the confederacy, but short of having a SCOTUS that completely cedes authority to the states, leaving the union would be only way to get around the supremacy clause.

[joycejnr]

2. Good luck with that! n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

4. Okay

First things first: All liberals, progressives, and Democratic party members get relocation services/assistance/job training to make it in their new homes.The US Military escorts them out of hostile territory.


Then - Four military bases: Fort Huachuca, Camp Navajo, Luke AFB, and Davis Monthan. Get all of OUR shit out of there and take wrecking balls to the buildings/explosives. Knock down any Federal Government buildings, close down any and all Federal Government Services. Then we let it go.

We build one big set of bleachers around the three sides of the state in the US for one's viewing please . . ..

Then - we encourage Mexico to invade. :rotfl:

Look Up! See that crazy talk right there? That's crazy talk! My crazy talk is not NEARLY as crazy as their crazy talk.

But - I would love to get our AZ members from DU and bring them to NJ. Granted - we've got good guv'nah Christie - but we have a chance to vote him out in 2013. We need all the help we can get.

[Liberal Veteran]

8. And then refuse to honor any passports from them.

They could experience the incredible handouts and benefits supposedly heaped on undocumented aliens if they came to the other states.

Achievement Unlocked: Irony.

[n2doc]

12. And raise the hell out of the rates we charge for water to them

Let's see how well those lawns do at 50x present prices

[kestrel91316]

16. Oh, no, that's not enough. They can't HAVE any US water. Not one drop.

The Colorado River belongs to the US. AZ will have to survive on the rain that falls there and what little remains of their groundwater.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. No, we need to build a wall with electric fencing around Arizona. And post

some guards or vigilantes on the border.

[Wait Wut]

6. Yeah, they don't care.

They know damned well that this is bullshit, but it makes them look sexy to the teapers when they get spanked by the evil, Muslim, Socialist, Commie administration. Then they take to the airwaves and interwebz claiming that we're losing our freedoms and stuff.

[99Forever]

7. Next up:

Teabaggers reverse The Law of Gravity and float off the planet.

[Swede Atlanta]

9. This concept was tried before and it didn't work out so well....

Even if this were to become the law in Arizona, I'll almost guarantee you that within 5 minutes of its passage there would be a lawsuit before a U.S. District Court judge who would immediately issue an injunction against its application.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. If I understand this,

Arizona has a constitution. It says that the Federal Constitution is supreme. Under the Federal Constitution, Article 1 says Congress has the authority to make laws, Article 2, the Executive powers rest with the president, and Article 3, Judicial power, including determining what is appropriate under the Constitution, rests with the Supremes.

Arizona also says, "that federal document (presumably the Constitution) may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government."

So far so good. Any one can and should say that. No one should do things that are against the constitution, including illegal search or seizures, forcing religion on someone, preventing the peaceful meetings, or threatening treason, something that the Tea Baggers seem to get closer to each day.

But this part, the power "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution," now that's a doozie. That gives Arizona more executive power than the president, more law-making power than congress, and more judicial power than the Supremes. In effect, Arizona has appointed itself king!

Long live Arizona! All hail to thee, Arizona, you pathetic collection of dain-bramaged astard bassholes.

[Confusious]

20. First off, I live in Arizona

and I object to being lumped in with the pathetic collection of b aim-bra aged fucktards.

Second, it's kind of circular reasoning isn't it?

The proposed law states that nobody can violate the constitution. The constitution says that the supreme court decides what law is constitutional (it doesn't actually, but the founders didn't object ) but the proposed law states that the people of Arizona get to decide what is constitutional, which violates the constitution, which the proposed law states nobody can do.

So it will invalidate itself the moment it passes.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

22. Hey, you chose to live there. Ergo, it is partially your fault.

Either you work to kick those tea baggers out, or, you best learn to deal with a shitload of Arizona jokes. Starting with its new motto "Ego sum ​​cum stultus" or "I'm with stoopid."

just because you object to being lumped in with a bunch of brainless buffoons, you expect us to change our opinions?

[hifiguy]

11. John C. Calhoun has apparently become a zombie

in the Arizona legislature.

Calling Mr. Lincoln, Mr. Lincoln.....

[etherealtruth]

13. Is there not a soul in the Arizona government

... that managed to take take a high school government class? Seriously .... this stuff is taught in high school ... further study (at university) assumes the very basics of US government have been learned.

WTF?

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. No ... No ... No ...

You all are missing the argument ... this bill wouldn't surplant the U.S. Constitution; rather it STRENGTHENS the by allowing us in Arizona to refuse to follow whatever laws our legislators feel are unconstitutional. This law would takes the power of determining what the Constitution says out of the hands of unelected officials, and puts in into the hands of our elected officials.

That is how it was explained to me this morning.

And when I nodded my understanding and sheer amazement in the beauty of the argument and asked how this law squares with article III of the U.S. Constutition, in light of Marbury v. Madison?

The teapartier shouted "you libtards never did understand the constitution" before marching off.

[jody]

17. Arizona’s version of Kentucky&Virginia resolutions

PHOENIX -- Voters could get the right to overrule federal laws and mandates under the terms of an initiative filed late Thursday.

The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.

More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."

What would Jefferson and Madison, authors of the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions and founders of the Democratic Party think?

Virginia Resolutions of 1798

Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

[BumRushDaShow]

18. I hope this really helps to put the state into play.

I mean seriously. Even if the halfway sane rethugs just give up and stay home while the foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics rant and rage to the coyotes out in the desert, let the rest help the state to go blue for this election.

[Motown_Johnny]

19. So now that neither side trusts the Supreme Court

we see how one side reacts.


Gosh, why didn't we think of that?

[bluedigger]

21. AZ must be in a state of perfection down there.

Clearly, their legislators have nothing constructive to do.

[wizzle]

23. Is it the heat?

Or is it a lack rain? They sure have an interesting way of interpreting things.

[ChazII]

24. He IS a nut ...

But Biltis' objections to federal authority are not partisan. He is equally upset with the Patriot Act, passed during the administration of George W. Bush, which gives the federal government broad powers to detain people without trial.
And then there are other issues that might not seem so weighty but that Biltis finds to be constitutionally unacceptable, like the federal law, signed during the Bush administration, which phases out the manufacture and sale of incandescent light bulbs to save energy. The most popular replacement to date has been compact fluorescent bulbs which have their own environmental issues if broken.
"Besides the insanity of it, if you have a federal government that can choose to ban a light bulb that has existed for 100 years, that served us pretty well, what can't they do?" he asked.


Read more: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/initiative-would-let-voters-overrule-federal-law/article_50d0e77c-d27c-5828-a3b6-d818c0042700.html#ixzz1zwpH1iyk

Seems like the heat or lack of rain has indeed touched his thought process.

[jody]

25. So Jefferson and Madison who founded our Democratic Party are "fucking morons"!

Please study their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions that protected the powers of states against federal government aka as the 10th Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_%26_Virginia_Resolutions#Bibliography

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Good luck with that.

Aren't they in effect seceding by doing that? And if federal law doesn't apply in AZ, maybe the federal government should take its bat and ball and all its money and just walk away.

Just when you think they couldn't get dumber - this is weapons-grade stupid.