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Fri May 19, 2017, 06:24 PM

Explain why Democrats in Congress keep saying it's "too soon" to be discussing impeachment?!!!

-Obstruction of Justice (evidence in public, FFS)

-Potential Abuse of Power ( traitor giving top secret intel to Russians in Oval Office - jeopardizing National Security and our ally(s)) Also, now public.

What's the strategy? IMO, at this point we look weak by not calling a spade a spade. Hell I'm aware the rethugs won't do it but the Dems in Congress need to not confuse the citizens by saying it's too soon. It gives the appearance that our traitor isn't guilty of impeachable offenses.

How long can this runaway train (leaks, thank God) keep going? Seriously, are we to wait another year(s) for Special Counsel to wrap this up in a bow? The impeachable evidence is public. Show Americans that the rethugs, once again, are aiding and abetting an enemy of the U.S. when they don't vote for impeachment in the House.

Mueller, FBI, and congressional committees can continue investigations into Russian cyberops, money/financial crimes, etc. Then they can actually indict traitor tiny hands once he's impeached as long as the statue of limitations hasn't expired.

If you feel as I do, call your Dems in Congress. I am.

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Reply Explain why Democrats in Congress keep saying it's "too soon" to be discussing impeachment?!!! (Original post)
Nevermypresident May 2017 OP
BainsBane May 2017 #1
Nevermypresident May 2017 #8
BainsBane May 2017 #14
drray23 May 2017 #2
Nevermypresident May 2017 #12
Mike Nelson May 2017 #3
flor-de-jasmim May 2017 #4
gibraltar72 May 2017 #5
Me. May 2017 #6
Skittles May 2017 #7
GBizzle May 2017 #9
gratuitous May 2017 #10
frazzled May 2017 #11
Cha May 2017 #13
Me. May 2017 #22
Cha May 2017 #23
Lotusflower70 May 2017 #15
sarisataka May 2017 #16
brooklynite May 2017 #17
Warren DeMontague May 2017 #18
Nevermypresident May 2017 #19
WhiteTara May 2017 #20
countryjake May 2017 #21

Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:26 PM

1. Everyone of them could say exactly what you wanted

and it would make zero difference. They don't control the House. I expect they are being measured in their comments so as not to undermine credibility for what is inevitably coming.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:33 PM

8. I know it would make zero difference. My point was our Dems saying it's too soon when the American

public has clearly seen the evidence of Obstruction of Justice, undermines the gravity of trump's actions.

Why can't their message be the truth...that they are powerless because the rethugs will not do the right thing for our country?!



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Response to Nevermypresident (Reply #8)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:37 PM

14. I don't think so

This is beyond what any of them say or media spin. Mueller is putting together a case that will have Trump dead to rights. When he produces that evidence, Trump will be impeached. The GOP is unlikely to act before then.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:26 PM

2. its obvious.

You dont go all gun blazing until you have a solid dossier with ironclad investigation. We all.know Trump is guilty but the evidence better be bulletproof to get 66 votes in the senate in order to convict. We only got one shot at it.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #2)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:36 PM

12. Ironclad will be when they get Comey's memos, transcripts of Russian mtg. in Oval Office, etc.

Do subpoenas take a year or two? That's one of my problems.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:27 PM

3. Hmm...

...how about, "Wait until we get control of Congress."

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:27 PM

4. Think back to Nixon /Agnew. Get rid of Pence and Ryan, then impeach.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:29 PM

5. They want

to let Republicans simmer in Trump sauce till they are well done.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:32 PM

6. T's Crossed, I's Dotted, Charges Filed

No jumping of gun

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:33 PM

7. my guess

there's just soooo much more to find out

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:34 PM

9. Listen to Adam Schiff. We have to be very careful about how this looks.

 

Already, some far-right wackos are posting stories about an attempted coup against Trump, and Trump continually accuses us of being bitter about the 2016 election.

We only get one shot at impeachment & conviction, and we need to get it right.

We need 23 Republicans in the House, and 19 in the Senate, to go along with this.

I think they will, but if we go screaming "impeachment!!!!" from the rooftops all the time, it's going to look less like we're getting to the bottom of a crime, and more like we're trying to overturn the results of the 2016, a "solution in search of a problem", if you will.

I appreciate impeachment being mentioned, but there's a reason the prosecutors are handling the optics of this.

They know what arguments will convince juries (members of Congress & the American public also count as juries here), and what arguments will scare people off.

If we take the Republicans through this step-by-step, and show an irrefutable, ironclad case, they'll have to impeach & remove Trump - either because they can't deny it any longer, or because their constituents are demanding it.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:34 PM

10. Impeachment is a political process

There is a LOT of work to be done before the House - under Republican control, remember - is going to consider impeaching a president from their own party. Right now, public opinion is running against President Trump, but not heavily against him. Trump's approval rating among Republicans has dipped to 75%, but that's still a hefty majority of Republican voters. Do you think Democrats would take action against a Democratic office-holder who still held 75% approval among the Democratic voters?

I want investigators to build a case, carefully and painstakingly. I want it water-tight, air-tight, tight-tight so that only the most foolhardy partisan would say that Trump is being railroaded. Right now, impeachment would have to proceed against the combined union of Republican congressional control, Fox News, and low-information Trump voters who don't think their boy has done anything wrong.

You get one shot at this. As Ralph Waldo Emerson observed, "When you shoot at a king, you must kill him." Get all your forces together, amass all your strength, erode as much of Trump's support as possible, and then, when public opinion is cascading in favor of impeachment, begin the proceedings.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:35 PM

11. Because they're smart?

You don't go yelling impeachment (especially if you are a powerless minority who could not initiate it anyway) until the investigations are further along, and incontrovertible evidence of malfeasance is in hand. The Independent Counsel has only just begun his tenure; the House and Senate Intel committees have not nearly completed their work. And the biggest missing piece--an independent congressional commission--has not yet even been called.

A smart prosecutor does not go to trial in haste with half a case, before she knows she can win, before the ducks are all in a row, and all the evidence air-tight.

There is much more to gain by patience and hard work than by simply yelling something. Or are you simply wanting the "lock her up" tactic of the crazy right?

Nothing could jeopardize our position more for a change of power in Congress in 2018 than a premature call for impeachment. Chill. These things take time and a whole heap of work by hundreds and hundreds of professional investigators and legal minds.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:36 PM

13. You can call bernie sanders too.. he's

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Fri May 19, 2017, 07:14 PM

22. Thank You

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Response to Me. (Reply #22)

Fri May 19, 2017, 07:23 PM

23. A'ole pilikia, Me

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:40 PM

15. It's strategy

They have to build a case and gather the evidence. They don't want to leave anything to chance or make mistakes. And most certainly don't want to provide loopholes. It's a process that takes time. And even then, we will have to wait it out to see what happens.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:41 PM

16. Simple

Democrats don't have the majority to even pass Articles of Impeachment. I won't even start on conviction.

Despite all of the talk from "sources" impeachment is a pipe dream.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:42 PM

17. Answer-we don't want Trump to be acquitted

Bringing up an Impeachment resolution and having it voted down will accomplish nothing.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:43 PM

18. because we're investigating. We want to investigate, get the facts.

When the GOP spent years looking for an excuse to impeach Bill Clinton and finally settled upon a blowjob, that was a brazenly political act.

This needs to not be political.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:45 PM

19. Yes, your replies all sound reasonable and methodical. Yet, I hear our Dems saying they are

concerned about the vulnerability of Democrats elected in a trump district, fear of Trumpers uprising, etc.
I also heard a recent Maxine Waters interview saying this is what her fellow Dem Reps are saying to her.

I've heard none of them repeating the substance of your replies to me.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 06:52 PM

20. I think we should let this go a little longer. Every day

there is more and more evidence that this was "a vast right wing conspiracy" and if it's narrowed to impeachment, we may not get all the SOBs. That's the only thing I can think of. I'd love it over right now too, but I want them all exposed and indicted, convicted and imprisoned.

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Response to Nevermypresident (Original post)

Fri May 19, 2017, 07:09 PM

21. Facts. Building a case of broken laws. Not politicizing it.

It's simply what any prosecutor needs to do before any charges can be filed under common law.

Lawyers rarely give a shit if they look weak before a case is made, it's whether or not the case they are building is weak. Facts must be assembled in order to make a strong case.

Just because we can't stand the asshat who has taken over our government doesn't mean that we have the legal means necessary to get him out of the White House.

Jumping the gun on an Impeachment would be much worse than waiting the time it takes to gather the facts needed to prove that Trump is Impeachable.

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