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The Creation Museum evolves: Hoping to add a life-size ark project, the museum hits fundraising trouble
By Liz Goodwin, Yahoo! News | The Lookout
Five years after it opened, the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., still gleams, and life-size dinosaurs still tread the Earth, shoulder-to-shoulder with humans. But behind the scenes, one of the most ambitious efforts in America to counter evolutionary theory has hit a roadblock.
When you walk into the Creation Museum, one of the first things you see is an exhibit of a doe-eyed human child crouched next to a velociraptor dinosaur. The two seem not at all surprised that their epochs have collided. Homo sapiens and velociraptors missed each other by a good 65 million years, according to most scientists, but in the world of the Creation Museum, humans and dinosaurs were created on the same day 6,000 years ago, coexisting peacefully in the Garden of Eden. A thousand years later, a 600-year-old man ushered them onto Noah's ark.
Answers in Genesis, a ministry founded in Australia, built the Creation Museum. The group seeks to convince others that the theory of evolution is wrong and that the account of creation told in Genesis is literally true. The result: a place that resembles a slick and entertaining natural history museum, even as it peddles the exact opposite message.
Now, the people behind this museum are looking to erect something much bigger: a 160-acre park with a life-size replica of Noah's Ark built to stand 500 feet long and 80 feet high. They're hoping to tap four teams of Amish builders to construct this giant ark, which would become the largest timber structure in the country. Including parking and other areas, the entire Ark Encounter would sit on 800 acres about a 40-minute drive away from the Creation Museum in northern Kentucky. ...................(more)
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Duh!
PCIntern
(25,624 posts)XanaDUer
(12,939 posts)spanone
(135,920 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,509 posts)Everyone knows they ate carrots. Obviously the ark was very well stocked.
malthaussen
(17,230 posts)What I want to know is, how did all those animals fit? Unless we're talking some weird application of Superstring Theory. But that would be, like, science.
The other thing I want to know is who had to shovel out all the...
-- Mal
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)suppressed their predatory instincts. He suppressed the herbivores' need to graze on grass and/or brush, too.
Sheesh.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)many animals into that small of a space? Maybe they just took a sampling and since they've been out running around procreating since, they've evolve into the numerous species and sub species. Oh, wait. That doesn't work, does it?
Think of those poor animals, crowded together in a dark dank damp ship with no food or clean water for over a month. ASPCA should've been called.
Oh, wait. Dang. Painted myself into a corner again.
OK, how about it was a fable rather than Absolute Truth?
xfundy
(5,105 posts)He's god. He can do anything! Don't throw me into that briar patch, Mister BabyJesus!!
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Old testament. Old, not AD but wayyyyyyyyy BC.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_ago_did_Noah_live#ixzz1zoHsm0lg
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Noah_live#ixzz1zoI10DCq
Found my answer:
http://www.noahs-ark-flood.com/faq.htm
They didn't. All of the kinds of animals that Noah had in his stockyard were put in the ark, but these were domesticated ranch animals and there were less than 280 of them.
Weird. So giraffes evolved from goats? Oh dang. That evolution issue again.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Everything and everyone on the ark must have been nose-deep in creepy crawlers.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)How could all species of animals fit in the ark?
They didn't. All of the kinds of animals that Noah had in his stockyard were put in the ark, but these were domesticated ranch animals and there were less than 280 of them.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Duh!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Maybe some domesticated ducks escaped and crossed with some beavers. Yeah. That's it.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Ever read Terry Pratchett? One of his books includes god making different animals and the wizards get involved. Or was it the wizards trying to draw a picture of a duck while in Australia? Hmmm, I think the first was where roaches came from as god really liked beetles and the second was the platypus.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Scholars believe the Hebrew version was derived from an earlier Sumerian version. Abraham was born in modern-day Iraq and his tribe carried the story with them when he journeyed to other lands. Utanapishtim tells a similar Noah story of a great flood in The Epic of Gilgamesh. Clearly, it makes so much more sense that a flood story would come from the delta area of The Tigris-Euphrates. The deluge was a huge local flood. Utanapishtim is said to have constructed a ship that looked much like an ark -- he specified the dimensions as did Noah -- and filled it with the SEEDS of every animal and plant. He also took craftsmen. I have to say as a story of an ancient event, this version seems more of a fanciful re-telling of a real event than the OT version which just seems a fairy tale. It reminds me of basic science fiction stories like Battlestar Galactica.
I would say Utanapishtim (known as the world's oldest man to the Sumerians) was not quite as dumb as later narratives of his story suggest. I think like all Biblical stories, much of the literal truth has long since fled leaving behind only the tantalizing shadows, no? You may be right that they are made up fables, but I wonder if those haven't been tacked on to real life-dramas of the day? I am mostly interested in discovering the kernels of historical truth. If they exist.
For some faith is enough. For me, there has to be evidence. Sorry for bending your ear. I love mythology discussions.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)though since they hadn't figured out sperm/egg bit yet I wonder if they just took sperm/homunculus of every animal. Which wouldn't work of course. Musing here.
Many different religions stories have a Noah like story in them. Working with the Lakota's in ND way back and they had one such story, showed me the hill it ended up on (in the part of ND that has hills). I am sure that there were floods and big boats carrying animals, but turning those stories into "2 of every animal, praise the lord this is the truth!" is irksome to me.
Yes, god can do anything but then we need to define that term (god) as it means different things to everyone.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)We always look for hierarchies to conform with or rebel against. It's the pendulum that swings back and forth.
Erich Von Daniken claimed spacemen built the pyramids reducing humans to imbeciles with opposable thumbs. The Bible doesn't do much better. It is divine intervention -- deus ex machina -- the God particle gets all the credit for human accomplishment.
But I always look for the possible historical account in the "legends" and "stories" anyway. I blame Yul Brynner and Cecil B. De Mille and some crazy ass synchronization of beliefs that has guided my interests through the years.
I try not to deal in abstractions.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)some interesting bits in it. I got it as a young adult and enjoyed parts. Why continue to go to church every week unless you don't get it? God is in us all, we are all god, so why the worship of a higher power since we are it and it is us?
That sort of stuff along with finding life amazing.
Pulling god out of everything and making it something different from everything is odd. Not everything can be proven either.
When I go to stores with double sliding automatic doors I often mutter to myself "moses moses moses" as I part the way.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I don't trust Moses either.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)that's what I want to know.
malthaussen
(17,230 posts)-- Mal
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Cabin 2B.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,210 posts)Sadly, the unicorns were among the first things eaten, along with Noah's private stash of Twinkies and Doritos (and two quarts of strawberries from the freezer). Noah was pretty pissed about that, but then Jesus pulled up alongside with five loaves of bread and two fish and showed Noah how to whip up tasty and nutritious meals for everything left on board (Scurvy hadn't been invented yet).
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)well two of each species at least.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Everybody knows that.
Plus, if they were on the ark they would have been fed fish. Don't you think that they knew enough to take fishing nets on a boat like that?
Iggo
(47,586 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)sarisataka
(18,883 posts)of course Noah and family did a lot of fishing
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)to punish man for becoming wicked after having Pandora unleash wickedness on them?
Just goes to show that when you dont know the answer it was perfectly normal to just make shit up. John Smith is that you? Will somebody part this sea we are trying to cross? Now where did I place my T-rex harness? Can somebody tell Zeus that Wrath of the Titans sucked? Santa Claus where is my Fuck PS3? ROFL
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I would be thrown out because I would be laughing so loudly.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I even got the answer as to how...(and amazed these idjits have not gone there)
God is all powerful you see, and as T-Rex aproached the Ark, it became a chicken, and a rooster. This is why scientists have found T-Rex genes in chickens. It was a gift from this all powerful god to humans.
Grain of truth here, the chicken is genetically related to T-Rex.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Virgin birth for example.
20score
(4,769 posts)the global warming and tax cuts debates. There's money to be made in magic thinking!
Yavin4
(35,453 posts)KatChatter
(194 posts)pretty much BS.
So to end the debate why not have Spielberg and Lucas do the new 'Official OT Story' and end the debate of what happened. I would prefer a Quentin Tarantino version but not everyone would be into an R rated OT.
cbrer
(1,831 posts)May as well continue. Remember the lion and the lamb parable? I guess it could apply to T Rex and humans too.
But don't worry! The tooth fairy will save the day!
Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,451 posts)Noah took dinosaur eggs. Or so I was told by a pastor in Kentucky shortly after he had visited the museum!
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)and it was dragon eggs.
spin
(17,493 posts)(Ref: http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html/)
Myths are the smoke of history and it is indeed possible that a man and his family survived a great flood or a tsunami and had some animals on a boat with them.
Any really good story is worth repeating and is often enhanced to make it a better story or in ancient times more appropriate to the religion of the listeners.
The Bible is NOT a science text book. T-Rex was fortunately long extinct before our species came to be. Cave men might have been able to kill a mammoth but throwing spears at a T-Rex would have been a bad plan.
Constructing a replica of the Biblical ark is an interesting project but putting it on land or a small lake proves nothing. I would be more interested in seeing if it was actually sea worthy. If it passed that test, I would love to see what happens if you stick a large group of animals including dangerous game on it for an extended period of time along with just a few people. The problems faced by such a family and the challenge of feeding the animals and cleaning their cages would have probably convinced the humans to either go on strike or to wish they would have perished in the flood.
I find the Old Testament a fascinating collection of documents written by men that teach moral lessons many of which were mainly appropriate to a small and rather insignificant tribe of people thousands of years ago. Some of these values can be beneficial to instructing an individual in how to live a rewarding and beneficial life even in our modern times.
We often assume that we are far more intelligent than our ancestors but in reality while we have developed far more knowledge than they had, their brain power was the same as ours. One hundred or one thousand years from now (if we survive) we will have far more scientific knowledge than we do today. Perhaps far in the future both religion and science will find common ground. Who knows.