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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsjust how crazy does he have to act before this nightmare ends?
does he have to start lighting fires in the white house before people get their heads out of their asses?
no, dems do not have the votes to impeach him.
but many dems have the secrets, and they are keeping them secret.
there comes a time to tell the truth, come hell or high water.
and the water is getting pretty deep here.
enough
(13,262 posts)That day is not coming soon.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)they know. and they are honoring their pledges to keep the secrets. but at some point some patriot could spill what they know, and the end would be near.
if they all spilled together, how could they be hung?
enough
(13,262 posts)With the very real threat of prison for revealing classified information.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)i suspect at this point the person who spills becomes the 2020 front runner, but it is true it will be very, very, very ugly.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)There are TWO Grand Juries convening right now, according to Claude Taylor, who has a source inside the IC. One Grand Jury is nearly finished with its work. There WILL be indictments. Lots of them.
Taylor also has a scoop on Sean Spicer that's likely breaking this morning. Watch his twitter feed.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)reprisal. drumpf's mission is to totally destroy anything good the Obama's did during their 2 terms; drumpf would attempt to destroy anyone who personally attacked his mental stability or mental health.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)The base is only loyal to their ignorant, racist president. If the Republicans turn on 45, the base will turn on them.
spanone
(135,875 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)today.
spanone
(135,875 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)before a patriot steps forward to undo the coup.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)that would be the coup.
I share your disquiet, and the desperate need for someone to do something already! But the case is building up, perhaps if more people had showed up and voted up and down the ballot as they'd been begged to do, we might have a prayer of doing something NOW, but that's not what happened.
His own tantrums are damning him, and the evidence is building up, it's only a matter of time, they're already having their effects in the courts.
Deep breaths and patience, we will get there soon.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)yeah, i love it too.
Judi Lynn
(160,623 posts)I involuntarily shuddered right after watching it. I think it looks all too possible!
Thanks for sharing it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)being, of course, he has no clue it's delusional.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)White House by a President.
malaise
(269,157 posts)not before that
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)He's a loose cannon walking around with the signs of stress building all the time complicated by the fact he has no F'en idea what he's doing.
rock
(13,218 posts)They have fire extinguishers, don't they?
mopinko
(70,216 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)hustle out the back door.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)i cant imagine what they are going to do to our house. on our dime.
maybe golden toilets will be what it takes, but who knows.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)What does his creep have to do to get kicked out of Office....I think about that daily.
Hopefully when it happens Pence goes with him.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)i suspect when the kitchen gets too hot they will hang him out on an article 25, so that they dont have to see it all spill into the public record.
hopefully it will come out anyway, but i really want a nuremberg impeachment. i want at least a dozen fuckers in that box. at least.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)Don't reward the Republicon criminals for their theft of the election by rushing the rollout of evidence and prosecution.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)but still. not necessarily talking about the legal process.
nobody on the teevee machine is even really taking this on. nobody at the newspapers. they just keep trying to pretend the guy is ferrealz.
i want to turn on the news some day soon, and have everyone talking about whether he has well and truly gone around the bend.
i want to see side by side clips of a younger cheeto and that interview, and some of the other crazy, and people openly asking if he is sane or has alzheimers.
i want a public outcry so loud that the guy has to go over to walter reed for an mri of his head to see if there is anything there but bats and moths.
i just dont get how nobody is talking about the elephant in the room.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)stated even preTrump
and they believe all the surveillance crap.
Soulless greedy GOP will keep him around to grab more and more for themselves and thier big donors and they will do anything to make sure that doesn't end IMO
I really don't know what dems can do with no power in DC
mopinko
(70,216 posts)i am getting sick of knowing that so many know what happened in nov, and are just sitting around waiting for the thugs to tell it.
someone needs to spill.
#spilldems
kairos12
(12,872 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Let the truth flow!!!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)1) You only get one chance to take down the President. If you fire off an impeachment trial before you have a cast iron case, including evidence from law enforcement and the intelligence community, then you won't get another chance.
It would only make him stronger.
Yes, I share the frustration. But I want it done right and all the way through.
2) Knocking tRump off the perch will have very limited effectiveness and might make things worse because Pence knows how the levers of political power work in Washington.
The elephant in the room is that not only did tRump have a role, but [font size = "+1"]the whole Republicon Party is complicit in stealing the Electoral College.[/font]
Once the case is proven, the Presidency must be given to the majority vote winner Hillary Clinton. The alternative is to hold a secure Presidential Election in 2018 and reset the four year cycle. To accomplish either solution, Constitutional scholars and judiciary scholars must find a legal and tenable path for that, which means they better be working on it now.
The Republicon Party that stole the election must not be rewarded by getting to elevate Pence or any appointed successors.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)i reiterate- there are dems who know what happened. who have seen concrete evidence. they know they dont have the votes.
but what happens if it all comes out in the press?
maybe we dont actually take these complicit fuckers out of office, but they sure as hell would be tied in knots, and totally powerless.
(in the real world, anyway.)
#spilldems
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)They all knew that Russia was involved in the hacking and the "fake news" projects. They did nothing. The GOP leadership is complicit in Putin's interference with the election and they're HAPPY with the results.
You're post certainly has its merits, but you're missing the boat if you're discounting foreign interference with the election, made possible, in large part, by the Citizens United case, which allows "dark money" to flow into the election process from foreign sources. Russia leaped on THAT bandwagon.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,040 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)failure to actually form a government anyone?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)may they howl in the wilderness for 7 generations.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)mopinko
(70,216 posts)RainCaster
(10,914 posts)As for me, I'm tired of all this winning. Civil War, Duterte, Kim Jung Un, all this shit in ONE day.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)If he took an action that was contrary to everything racists stand for, he'd be out. For example, opening the border, reparations, or blanket amnesty for undocumented immigrants.
Rhiannon12866
(206,016 posts)Demtexan
(1,588 posts)Yelling look at me I am president.
Naked Trump would be to much.
jesskirablue42
(50 posts)The emperor has no clothes.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)This madman is destroying the country each and every day.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)once the truth is known.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)The fact that no one discusses.
mopinko
(70,216 posts)its about the people who know the truth telling the truth. about the truth being let out of the secrets box.
that he is insane, AND that he is a traitor. start saying that out loud. dems dont have the votes, but many know the truth.
and like i said, march his ass over to walter reed and make him have an mri of his head. it'd be one thing if his kids were there to keep a handle on him. it's another for them to be stuffing their pockets.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Whether he does it cynically or is delusional, "The #45 Show" is in full swing. If you have the slightest bit of a functional, analytical, critical mind, you see through the whole act and can sense the major bullshit.
But his supporters lack that capacity, and they see a savior of a magnitude somewhere between country music star and televangelist. It's a total grift, but #45 just happens to be stuck in Delusion City: He's the greatest, most incredible, most successful, savviest, clairvoyant president to ever walk the planet. No wall? They don't care! The fact he cloaked himself in a reactionary, anti-globalist persona is all they care about. They have afforded him cult-leader status. He can do no wrong. I'd be very surprised if any Republicans turn against #45; at least not for another 2 years.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)From one of my favorite movies:
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)to his rule by fiat and should be disposed of.
Did you hear any outrage from the right/republicans about this total violation of Fuhrer Trump's oath of office?
Of course not!
The republican theocracy will back the total destruction of freedom in this country to the hilt as long as the dictator is their guy!
meow2u3
(24,773 posts)I'm convinced that Congress will act when their jobs are in jeopardy.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"I just wanted to prove a point -- I'll now resign effective immediately!"
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)but I am certain they are terrified of the consequences of that.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Then, crazy enough for 2/3 of the Senate to convict him after Impeachment (he's already Impeachable IMHO). But conviction will involve Republikkks choosing country over party.
THAT is how crazy.