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Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:25 PM

"The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]"




The December memo alleged that four Trump representatives travelled to Prague in August or September in 2016 for “secret discussions with Kremlin representatives and associated operators/hackers”, about how to pay hackers secretly for penetrating Democratic party computer systems and “contingency plans for covering up operations”.

Between March and September, the December memo alleges, the hackers used botnets and porn traffic to transmit viruses, plant bugs and steal data online from Democratic party leadership. Two of the hackers had been “recruited under duress by the FSB” the memo said. The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin’s presidential administration.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin

If that's true, and intelligence confirms this....holy balls.

And it needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

Why do I think that tidbit--and the possibility that it was confirmed--is what caused all the grim faces from the Senate Intelligence Committee after their FBI briefings a couple of months ago?

That's major, major, major stuff.

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Reply "The hackers were paid by the Trump organisation, but were under the control of Vladimir Putin[ ]" (Original post)
Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 OP
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certainot Apr 2017 #44
cstanleytech Apr 2017 #26
More_Cowbell Apr 2017 #90
LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #118
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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:32 PM

1. If true it's enormous

But why wouldn't Putin pay them himself? Putin must have more money than Trump.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:33 PM

2. Plausible deniability.

Putin's smart.

Trump isn't.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:32 PM

44. that he old pic of feinstein and grassley right?

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:15 PM

26. Thats if its true the other possibility is that any Trump links to Russia are red herrings meant to

keep the focus of the media and the public on Trump and off the real people Russia was colluding with.
Who? Well my guess would be certain members of Congress that are members of the party that currently is in majority control because they had a hell of alot to gain if Trump won the election and it would explain why they have stonewalled an independent investigation into what Russia was doing and with whom in regard to the US elections.
Plus it wouldnt be the first time they have engaged in something illegal and immoral to try and win an election.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:59 AM

90. McConnell was pretty sure he'd get a chance to vote on a GOP Supreme Court justice

I think he and Ryan are in it up to their necks. (Of course, that might be wishful thinking.)

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #90)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:06 PM

118. Moscow Mitch knew the fix was in...nt

 

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Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #118)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:05 PM

122. He also took millions of dollars of laundered Russian money.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #122)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:03 PM

125. All day long. nt

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:37 PM

3. This about to chew major

chunks of flesh off the Rethugs backsides.

The picture is worth millions of words. Even Grassass looks scared.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:40 PM

4. b-b-b-b-but EMAILS!

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:01 AM

105. and Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, ... the vast right-wing conspiracy at work.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:44 PM

5. This POS asked Russia to hack Hillary during his campaign

 

It's no big surprise at all that his organization paid hackers to do this!

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:45 PM

7. It's one of those things that's not at all surprising....

...but when you see it confirmed for yourself, it still throws you for an absolute loop.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:40 PM

49. Sure does.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:08 AM

95. It really does.

And part of the shock is how brazen and flagrant it all is. The idiot who people would vote for even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, and who has gotten away with criminal acts all his life, was not afraid to do anything that would serve his purposes, and do it carelessly.

I suspect he is surprised that he is facing consequences for all this.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:06 PM

71. I'm surprised that anybody is surprised. As you say, Trump said this.

But, it's been clear for more than a year that a lot of people simply don't want to believe that Trump says what he means. I've never seen such denial and magical thinking about a candidate. People heard what they wanted to hear.

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #5)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:54 AM

137. Of course.

The logical connection is obvious

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:44 PM

6. the Guardian is reliable

so what's Comey been waiting for? This meeting was MONTHS ago.

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Response to oldtime dfl_er (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:58 PM

12. An approval rate in the low 30s...

Until Trump's unpopularity is high enough and his popularity low enough, it won't be well received by the public.

It takes a little while.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:21 PM

33. Yep, step by step

Don't get ahead of ourselves, don't overpromise. Let's build an airtight case so we don't have to listen to the caterwauling about how poor Donald was hounded from office by those dastardly snowflakes when he didn't do nuthin' wrong!

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Response to Blanks (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:50 PM

81. I don't think we can count on this.

His polling #s will rise dramatically if he pulls off a deal with N. Korea even if via China, which is starting to look possible. As much as we want N. Korea restrained, it'd be a huge win for him, enough that I'd be concerned about 2020.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #81)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:50 PM

85. He's trending downward...

Although I agree with you. I thought for sure Bush wasn't gonna be able to pull it off in 2004, so I'm not gonna get too comfortable.

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Response to JudyM (Reply #81)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:24 AM

92. What kind of deal are you anticipating?

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Response to Ninsianna (Reply #92)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:16 AM

96. China has indicated willingness to broker a deal... and has more influence than anyone over NK as

its high-dependency supply line. The broad outline would be inspection/controls on weapons development in exchange for a better trade portfolio/terms.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:20 AM

110. I completely agree.

It's not only trump who is destroying america, it's the 96% of his supporters who are still with him who are.

It's critical to catch them at a moment when they are turned or at least turning against him, as well. Taking trump down won't work unless 70+% of us are on board.

Seems like a very plausible strategy to me. We must keep fighting his agenda for this reason, as well as on the merits.

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Response to oldtime dfl_er (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:17 PM

29. Comey threw the election to Trump.

He is not an unbiased player. However, he may not yet have irrefutable evidence of Trump himself giving the orders. I also wonder whether the investigations are also trying to uncover proof of Trump's money laundering for Russia. He already paid a hefty fine a couple of years ago for not following money tracking rules in his casinos--no direct proof of deliberate money laundering, but a $10 million fine says a lot. Trump and his organization have probably been laundering money for Russia for years. Real estate is ideal for that purpose.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:26 AM

111. Irrefutable.

That's the ticket!

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Response to oldtime dfl_er (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 07:48 PM

128. Without the British sources, we would still be in the dark! Steele, Mensch,

they have broken this story in the American Press. Foreign intelligence is bringing down a criminal White House and forcing US law enforcement to look at the crimes.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:49 PM

8. Republican traitors against America suck



The Republican Congress better get off it's corpulent corrupted ass and do something for America

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:09 PM

19. They said this last night on Lawrence O'Donnell.

NOTHING is happening on the Repub sides of the committees (Oversize and Intelligence) in both the Senate and House investigations. It will stay this way until citizens (YOU and ME) call, write, protest and go to town halls demanding a separate special investigation. It rests in our hands like the ACA repeal. RESIST!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:20 PM

32. + 1,000

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:58 AM

104. Plus 2,000,000

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:06 PM

132. Welcome to DU

It's all in our hands, keep on being vocal, cause you know how the Republicans like to run away when they are confronted by the American people. We need to fight back in our local states.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:51 PM

9. holy shit

where's my popcorn?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:52 PM

10. I hope it's true, but...

 

I've been waiting for Fitzmas a long time...

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:58 AM

89. Fitzmas....

I haven't heard that term in ages. And Fitzmas never came, which is the main reason I don't have great expectations about the FBI's investigation bearing fruit. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about that, but history doesn't bode well for startling allegations being proved true. We can't be caught in that trap of putting all of our eggs in a single basket. The phone calls to our Congress-critters and activism at Town Halls, marches, etc. have been working well. We can't abandon them in the hopes of some blockbuster investigation results. It would be amazing if all this conjecture comes to fruition, but slow and steady might be the only hope of stopping Trump's agenda.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #89)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:02 AM

106. Oh, I have no doubt that many of the allegations are true...

 

I do have my doubts the culprits will ever be held accountable.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 03:54 PM

11. K&R!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:03 PM

13. K&R

"UK was given details of alleged contacts between Trump campaign and Moscow"
is the headline of this Guardian article.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:03 PM

14. Wow! That's pretty serious if proven.

Please, oh PLEASE, let there be verifiable proof!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:04 PM

15. This makes Watergate look like jaywalking in comparison. (nm)

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:05 PM

16. K&R nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:07 PM

17. She looks weary.

This is taking a toll on all of us. Imagine how much harder it must be for our legislators.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:07 PM

18. Sent to Rachel

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Response to triron (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:26 PM

83. I did, too!

Tweeted it.

Claude Taylor‏ @TrueFactsStated 11m11 minutes ago
Claude Taylor Retweeted Howard Dean
I'm asking everyone to retweet John Dean on this important article in the Guardian. He's the only A lister on this.

Claude Taylor added,


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UK was given details of alleged contacts between Trump campaign and Moscow https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Response to calimary (Reply #83)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:58 PM

86. Excellent! Good on you, calimary

Most on your list probably already know this, but it's good to get it in front of them.

I hope something comes of this. I know the wheels of justice turn slowly, but I hope they DO turn.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:10 PM

21. Cool, dude.

Send me a postcard from Amarillo.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:19 PM

31. Yeah, only 17 different intelligence agencies spouting "fake news".

Not to mention Trump himself begging Putin to hack.

And various members of his team meeting with Russian officials, and bald face lying about those meetings.

But tick, tick, tick....you've got two posts in, so there's still more time to prove us all wrong.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:24 PM

35. The terms "fake news" and "no evidence" are right out of their playbook.

For some reason, republicans must think that the FBI, CIA, NSA, British Intel, and all the other law enforcement and intel agencies publish evidence they've collected on every case they're working.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:28 PM

40. You're a smooth, smoothie, ya know?

Google Hatch Act and get back to me.

“Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”

If you can explain that one away in the few minutes you probably have left here.....

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:30 PM

41. Dammit MIRT.

Now I'll never know.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:46 AM

102. More like a few seconds. Awesome prediction.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:30 PM

42. Seriously, go fuck yourself..... nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:35 PM

46. Bravo! Tell it like it is!!

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Response to Name removed (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:24 PM

36. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You need to put a sarcasm icon down there. People might think you're Sirius.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:12 PM

24. Single post with no links to its rebuttal

 

Last edited Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:08 PM - Edit history (1)

I call t-word.

UPDATE: I guess I was right.

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:13 PM

25. He/she has about 5 minutes max before MIRT arrives.

Maybe he/she can lay out his/her case in that time period?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:38 PM

48. Can

bots function that quickly?

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Response to Liberalagogo (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:26 PM

38. Joined at 306p CT, first post (#20) at 309p, I alerted 313p.... I will be following this person

even if the jury doesn't "get it".

On Edit: Alerted on #37 too at 330p CT. Really showed his/her true colors there.

Oops its all gone bye bye now. Something about Hillary being the one who lied about the 17 intelligence agencies (sigh). Anyway, the person's screenname is "GoingToAmarillo" ha ha ha. Going going gone!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=342628

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:15 PM

27. Your insightful reply assures me that you'll be a valuable long-term member of DU.

Please make yourself at home and enjoy your stay for many months.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:17 PM

30. Say hello to your buddies at the GOPutin. (nm)

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:10 PM

22. uncharted territory. What does our constitution say about this sort of thing?

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:04 PM

53. I don't think our founding fathers anticipated anything like this ever taking place.

I'm not aware of any provision in the Constitution which would address this type of situation.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:54 AM

103. It doesn't say anything about a foreign power occupying the White House,

except that Congress is authorized to start wars on other countries.




Seriously, "How do we get from where we are today to President Hillary Clinton in the White House?" is a valid question in this predicament.

When will the revelation that the Electoral college was FIXED come out?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:11 PM

23. The guardian is a reputable news paper. This is true. MY GOD!!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:23 PM

34. What happened to those inaugural funds ?

Were they paid to the hackers for doing their job. Is ivanka clothing company actually a money laundering operation? No big retailers are carrying her stuff. She says overseas sales are good but a friend of mine who was visiting her family in China told me the state media does not broadcast positive things about chump and her friends wouldn't be caught buying her clothes. They are all so dirty but I want a deluge now exposing them for the criminals they are. Not this drip drip stuff.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:27 PM

39. but i'm sure there was absolutely no tampering of the voting machines... nt

 

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Response to TheFrenchRazor (Reply #39)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 02:47 PM

134. Of course not!!!!!!

Trump GOPers might collude with Russia, but they would NEVER stoop so low as to tamper with our voting machines!!! That would be downright unAmerican!! For those who suggest the Russians (for some reason) could not have hacked the vote - will they make the same assertion that Republicans could not (and would not) have hacked the vote?? (when there's evidence that they did so in Presidential elections of 2000, 2004, and attempted to in 2012).

Which is undoubtedly why the French, the Canadians, and the Dutch all exclusively use paper ballots, (as we did, back when we were still a democracy, previous to 2000.)

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:32 PM

43. C O L L U S I O N

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:33 PM

45. K&R

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:38 PM

47. This sounds perfectly plausible to me.

Get em!

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:42 AM

101. "everyone who colluded must be arrested, every EO and judicial nominee must be declared invalid"

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:45 PM

50. If this is confirmed, we have #Trumpgate in full view. Lock him up. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 04:54 PM

51. No mercy on GOP. Root them all out. No Pence,

Tillerson, Bannon, Ryan, etc. The party needs to pay. This is unprecedented corruption and collusion. It is treason.

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:05 PM

54. We need to collate threads into categories re 2016 election

There is so much stuff to juggle.

I hope this does not drag on much longer.

When will someone step up and demand that trump is arrested?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:03 PM

52. Still a lot of speculation

I think if there were direct evidence like that, we would be seeing more than we are at this point. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I just think speculation is just that- speculation.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:07 PM

56. 17 intelligence agencies who agree isn't speculation!!!

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:11 PM

60. That Trump actually paid the hackers?

Unless there is direct evidence of this, it is little more than speculation. 17 Agencies agreed the Russians were behind the hacking, but I will wait to see if they have enough evidence to tie Trump himself to that. What we strongly suspect and what we can prove are two different things.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:55 PM

67. Agreed. This is a dossier citing anonymous sources.

We're going to need something a lot more concrete than anonymous sources.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:06 PM

55. Why in the hell has CNN and MSNBC not picked up on this yet?

I don't think these idiots think it's true. It's too big. I really hate cowards.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:08 PM

57. Lean on them. This needs to be out in the light of day!!

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:09 PM

58. I always email links to stories and call.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:10 PM

59. What is the court filing that brought this to light?

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Response to Justice (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:31 PM

63. A Russian hacker is suing Steele for defamation.

Since the memo became public in January, Steele had not spoken about his role in compiling it but he and his company, Orbis Business Intelligence Limited, have filed a defence in the high court of justice in London, in a defamation case brought by Aleksej Gubarev, a Russian venture capitalist and owner of a global computer technology company, XBT, and a Dallas-based subsidiary Webzilla.



Gubarev, who was named along with his company in the December memo as being involved in hacking operation, has denied any such involvement and is also suing Buzzfeed in the US courts for publishing the December memo alongside Steele’s earlier reports on election hacking.

A statement by Steele’s defence lawyers, endorsed by the former MI6 agent, said Orbis was hired between June and November last year by Fusion GPS, a Washington-based research consultancy to look into Trump’s links with Russia.

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Response to Justice (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:09 AM

107. Yes. It brought to light that there is a Steele Dossier 2.0 and contents.


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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:24 PM

61. My intuition's best guess

is that the evidence is already known about but being corroborated, AND

no one knows what to do or how this will play out, even the IC, AND

there are political repercussions, domestic and international, that must be
assessed, gauged, managed, and timed to minimize problems, AND

I have a hard time believing that this will not expose how deeply awash
in campaign cash contributions our government is from more than one
global source, and perhaps even how our system supports democracy
around the world. It's worthy of a Robert Ludlum novel.

Few study the period, but immediately post WWII, the U.S. wanted
democratic elections in eastern European countries that Stalin's Soviet
Union had liberated. We wanted our corporations to bring free enterprise,
private banking, development, and a profit incentive system, the Soviets
of course wanted social ownership of industries - communism. We are having
similar issues over how things will be run today, maybe not with Russia so
much as with laissez-faire vs. government regulation of for profit companies.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:05 PM

70. This

There needs to be almost a loose shadow government created behind the scenes comprised of those not implicated, in order to "step in" to keep this juggernaut country functional and moving without causing major panic and jitters on the market.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:27 PM

62. OMG. It's worse than I thought! Isn't this classified info that Feinstein is giving out? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #62)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:47 PM

65. The Feinstein pic is from a few weeks back, and just shows her reaction after the briefing.

The Guardian link is some of what may have been in the briefing, based on the Steele Dossier, and UK intelligence agencies are confirming the info in the dossier.

Trump collusion with Russia, confirmed.

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #65)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:42 PM

84. Thanks. I misunderstood who gave the info. nt

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #65)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:35 AM

112. It was pretty obvious after that briefing

and Maxine Waters' response also when she received disclosures that something grievous has occurred.

What many here are saying makes sense to me: the concern about destablilizing the US and even internationally is responsible for the slow and gradual pace. Hell, it could lead to armed conflict here if trump is appeared to be run out of office only by dems. Maybe gorsuch was part of the deal?

Also, Chaffetz's sudden need for emergency surgery on a 12 year old injury...

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #112)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:46 AM

113. Trump involving the oversight chairs in the transistion compromised Congressional investigations.

Very clever coup over congressional ability to respond to the situation. One has to wonder how criminally compromised they are, even if unwittingly.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #113)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:48 AM

114. Good point

maybe will redound to our benefit ultimately in recusals a la Sessions.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:43 PM

64. I told you so right away. How did i know? They're Republicans!

I get the feeling I'll get to say "I told you so" quite a lot.



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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:48 PM

66. If this is true...?

...then the Congress must be trying to figure out how to handle it? This is not an ever-day event.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 05:58 PM

68. But what about Hillary's emails?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:00 PM

69. If this is accurate, does this mean the previous administration knew about it at a time

when they still had the a chance to do something about it, and remained silent?

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #69)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:25 PM

73. They probably had bits and pieces

and were trying to connect a lot of dots... but that dossier came literally weeks before the inauguration and note that folks are STILL going through that trying to corroborate it. Remember that the current administration was briefed on some of it by Yates.

Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say

By Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima and Philip Rucker February 13

<...>

The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.

<...>

For Yates and other officials, concerns about the communications peaked in the days after the Obama administration on Dec. 29 announced measures to punish Russia for what it said was the Kremlin’s interference in the election in an attempt to help Trump.

After the sanctions were rolled out, the Obama administration braced itself for the Russian retaliation. To the surprise of many U.S. officials, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced on Dec. 30 that there would be no response. Trump praised the decision on Twitter.

Intelligence analysts began to search for clues that could help explain Putin’s move. The search turned up Kislyak’s communications, which the FBI routinely monitors, and the phone call in question with Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general with years of intelligence experience. From that call and subsequent intercepts, FBI agents wrote a secret report summarizing ­Flynn’s discussions with Kislyak.

<...>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:24 PM

72. Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #72)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:28 PM

75. Snowden just got his vacation stay extended

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:26 PM

74. Just wait til Sally Yates testifies before the Senate Crime/Terrorism subcommittee on May 8th

She's going to lower the boom on Mike Flynn. Flynn is the linchpin in the Trump Russia collusion investigation. Shed evidentiary light on his shenanigans, and one by one the Trump gang will crumble. Carter Page will be next in line. Epshteyn, Manafort and Roger Stone go down together. That's when it's going to get interesting. They'll all stab each other in the back and spill more and more of their criminal behavior. We may see the tentacles reach to Congress, to Mitch McConnell, to Paul Ryan, to Devin Nunes, to Jason Chaffetz, to Richard Burr. Temperatures getting higher. No embedded Congresscritter is going to let Trump get away with bringing them down, so they'll point their pointy little fingers at Mr. Trump, Mr. Bannon, Mr. Sessions, and Mr. Kushner. It will be a freaking free-for-all, and our country will SUFFER terribly as a result of it.

I want to believe that justice is blind and truly will prevail. I have also been deemed to be an optimist.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:28 PM

76. I am afraid for her. Brave soul.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #76)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:38 PM

77. She's actually got a second testimony before the House intelligence committee, not yet scheduled

Brave woman. Very brave woman. I hope that she is under 24 hour protection.

Here's what's crazy: the last time the House had her scheduled to testify, Devin Nunes went berzerk with his surreal press conferences at the White House. He also called off that first Sally Yates hearing.

Now that the Jason Chaffetz-led committee investigating Russia Gate has formally demanded that Sally Yates testify in front of it, Jason Chaffetz announces that he won't be running for re-election AND that he'll be taking a few weeks off, starting NOW, due to a recurring foot injury. Right.

What Sally Yates is about to drop is going to start the dominoes falling. Mark my words.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:58 AM

115. I think you are entirely right here Mr.

So very suspicious, Nunes and Chaffetz, especially.

Good thing we don't have mysterious assassinations here like they do in Russia.

Stay safe, Ms. Yates.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:40 PM

78. The pic is older, i was gonna use it along with everything else here for somewhere else

but if I use the pic then that is all we will talk about, how the pic is a few weeks old.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:44 PM

79. Shit! I had just opened this page and there's Howard Dean on MSNBC, bringing it up!

Son of a gun!

He said while we can't be sure yet, the Guardian has a very reputable track record, "but if this is true, then trump's presidency is over." Maybe not over in that he's ousted but over in the sense that he's finished with the international community and won't have a smooth time domestically. He said trump is WAY in over his head, and that he (Howard Dean) is surprised that trump has lasted this long. Thought he'd be gone after the first two or three primaries. Dean also said "the water gets hotter an hotter for this guy."

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:45 PM

80. Just to clarify, is this what Louise Mensch et al. have been reporting for the past several weeks?

Is this simply mainstream press verification/authentication of what she's told us she'd uncovered?

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #80)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:07 AM

91. It is, pretty much.

She also has a post on this today.

One thing that's becoming more obvious is that Trump was never really trying to run any of his businesses that failed. They were all just ways to launder money, particularly for the Russians.

My money is on Trump claiming he has been diagnosed with dementia. I hope the New York AG keeps on him for the RICO and other violations he's investigating, so that no potential future president can pardon Trump for those crimes.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #80)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:19 AM

109. The Steele Dossier II has been secret until this court filing got out, it seems.

A copy was passed to John McCain, who gave a copy to Comey. It was in Republican hands until this leak, albeit Louise Mensch and others seem to have sources in Her Majesty's government and had either some particulars or the broad implications. The court filing is from early in the month.

As to when this info or how much of it passed to the Gang of Eight, I don't know. FBI could have had good reasons to keep a lid on it so as to not compromise their investigation.


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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #109)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:08 PM

126. Louise Mensch is using the Palmer Report as a source?

 

Isn't that backwards?

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Response to HoneyBadger (Reply #126)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:17 PM

127. Palmer Report is posting someone else's writing.

As usual, but actually written by someone else this time.


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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:52 PM

82. Wait what?

This should be game over..

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:33 PM

87. The whole admin needs to go. NO PENCE FOR PRESIDENT. ILLEGITIMATE ELECTION.

This presidency should go to CLINTON. It was STOLEN. NO GOP GOVT.

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #87)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:17 AM

108. I've been thinking that for a long time.

If Trump is thrown out...everyone has been fearing Pence. But that's wrong! Russia got the GOP in office ....so no way should another GOP member get the Presidency! it should to a DEM/Clinton ...not Pence!

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Response to Sculpin Beauregard (Reply #87)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:29 PM

124. precisely; if pence or ryan gets in, then treason pays. nt

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:02 PM

88. Thanks for posting this. Maybe our media will cover this tonight?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:47 AM

93. So glad you've found this info.

I hope Grassley was miserable, standing with Diane Feinstein.

People like him have been creating this environment in Congress all this time.

This is far more than it would take to have sent any Democrat away for life!

Thank you for the super good news.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:39 AM

94. K&R!!!!!!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:19 AM

97. If this is true, Trump is done...

he will be able to go back to his 'old' life assuming he does wear an orange jumpsuit and occupy a prison cell.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:21 AM

98. Kick.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:39 AM

99. But it's Trump so nothing will be done. NOTHING!!!

This will be ignored.

Take a look at the news headlines. Where do you see this mentioned?

While Republicans are in power this will not be news.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #99)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:32 PM

116. sadly agree...

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:29 AM

100. We haven't had this level of detail before.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:04 PM

117. kick. nt

 

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:20 PM

119. Get a grip people.

 

An alleged memo
Un-named sources
The possibility that it was confirmed

I swear this stuff is put out by republicans for their own amusement.

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Response to frankieallen (Reply #119)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:35 PM

121. You didn't read the article, did you?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:25 PM

120. Who is ready for the indictments? One of two grand juries nearly completing their work now.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:20 PM

123. K&R

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:16 PM

129. kick again

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:51 PM

130. Kick and Rec

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:57 PM

131. K&R

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 01:26 PM

133. Putin elected trump

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:47 AM

135. so what's the hold up?? Isn't odd that the peripheral players are mostly gone? Like they are

distancing the ones who actually orchestrated the whole thing. And, there were discussions in TT - but Trump is resting easy on that - he accused everyone of tapping - only to have everyone fall for it and say TT was not.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon May 1, 2017, 08:49 AM

136. FBI investigations: "two grand juries ... one is almost complete" #TrumpRussia

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Tue May 2, 2017, 05:16 AM

138. Says who?

An old retired British spy? Really?

That was the reply of a friend of mine. They could have a signed confession and Cheeto Face would be innocent.

Amazing.

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