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boston bean

(36,223 posts)
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 03:47 PM Apr 2017

From the DNC Platform 2016 page 46

We will support sexual and reproductive health and rights around the globe. In addition to expanding the availability of affordable family planning information and contraceptive supplies, we believe that safe abortion must be part of comprehensive maternal and women’s health care and included as part of America’s global health programming. Therefore, we support the repeal of harmful restrictions that obstruct women’s access to health care information and services, including the “global gag rule” and the Helms Amendment that bars American assistance to provide safe, legal abortion throughout the developing world.


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From the DNC Platform 2016 page 46 (Original Post) boston bean Apr 2017 OP
Not just in USA but the whole world. fun n serious Apr 2017 #1
She would have been a great president. boston bean Apr 2017 #2
Yes, a very diplomatic president. fun n serious Apr 2017 #3
For Hillary it was never about her EGO... she put her country above all else. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #4
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #17
Which seemed to irriatate so many. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #7
I voted for that platform at the National Convention Gothmog Apr 2017 #5
Thank you! DesertRat Apr 2017 #28
I actually read the platform before we voted on it Gothmog Apr 2017 #33
+1 DesertRat Apr 2017 #35
Based in science as much as climate change. ehrnst Apr 2017 #6
But this is where the waters get murky askyagerz Apr 2017 #8
Unlike totalitarian regimes, in THIS country if you do not want to have an abortion NO ONE... Hekate Apr 2017 #9
She would probably understand that askyagerz Apr 2017 #11
No one is wagging a finger in her face. boston bean Apr 2017 #12
I have seen plenty of finger wagging askyagerz Apr 2017 #18
If persons being strongly pro choice, which btw your friend is, bothers you, you might be in the boston bean Apr 2017 #19
What are you talking about? Prochoice? What friend? askyagerz Apr 2017 #20
Excuse me, the fictitious woman you wrote of. boston bean Apr 2017 #24
She was prolife askyagerz Apr 2017 #29
if she were pro life she wouldn't vote for a pro choice person. boston bean Apr 2017 #30
Whatever... Happens all the time askyagerz Apr 2017 #31
My take: I think you are confusing voters with candidates. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #10
But if you don't let in candidates with a few different opinions askyagerz Apr 2017 #14
Rabid? Really? We are being "rabid" about basic rights for women? Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #21
But for a lot of people there is a big difference askyagerz Apr 2017 #26
I'm done. I've said all I need or want to say on this. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #27
So you think it is "rabid" to respect a woman's right to privacy brer cat Apr 2017 #32
To me no. To a lot of people abortion is a very rabid issue askyagerz Apr 2017 #36
+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #16
Do you want us to send the woman roses? leftstreet Apr 2017 #13
Nope but she also probably shouldn't feel threatened askyagerz Apr 2017 #15
Are you seriously claiming that she is being threatened brer cat Apr 2017 #34
Hmmm. Pro-life dem chooses to put aside askyagerz Apr 2017 #37
AGREE. Silver Gaia Apr 2017 #22
I can see the DNC bumper stickers now: hughee99 Apr 2017 #23
people should have done that in 2016, it would have been great advice. boston bean Apr 2017 #25
thank you. posted the same thing niyad Apr 2017 #38
 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
1. Not just in USA but the whole world.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 03:49 PM
Apr 2017

This is why I love Hillary... she thinks about all woman everywhere.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. For Hillary it was never about her EGO... she put her country above all else.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 04:13 PM
Apr 2017

Many of today's politicians could learn a valuable lesson from Hillary.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
8. But this is where the waters get murky
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:10 PM
Apr 2017

Let's say a woman is progressive in every way other then she is prolife, and l know a lot of people like that growing up in southern Illinois. She knows the score and what the party's view is on abortion but she accepts it and votes democratic anyway. Shouldn't we as Americans at least respect that she has her own personal opinion? Or should we chastise her and tell her she isn't wanted here and take her vote elsewhere?

Hekate

(90,803 posts)
9. Unlike totalitarian regimes, in THIS country if you do not want to have an abortion NO ONE...
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:24 PM
Apr 2017

...WILL FORCE YOU TO HAVE ONE.

The essence of the Democratic Party Platform is this: abortion, contraception, prenatal and postnatal care ARE ALL PART OF WOMEN'S NECESSARY HEALTH CARE CONTINUUM. The availability and affordability of all of these elements are a necessity in a democratic society. Some women undoubtedly want or need none of the above, but they must be available. Men's lack of a uterus is totally irrelevant to this particular discussion.

That is the agreement. There is no blame attached to holding a different point of view due to religious or other personal reasons, as long as you agree that others have the legal right to choose differently.

Or put another way: I choose to not marry another woman, but I don't have the right to forbid other women from choosing differently.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
11. She would probably understand that
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:35 PM
Apr 2017

but what I'm saying is should we sit there and wag our fingers in front of her face while she continues to support us? Probably pros and cons for both scenarios

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
12. No one is wagging a finger in her face.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:37 PM
Apr 2017

She can do as she pleases... that is what choice is.

That is what we fight for.

For her to also do as she pleases.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
18. I have seen plenty of finger wagging
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:56 PM
Apr 2017

even right here on du over the years. I just think it's more of one of those agree to disagree issues and instead of respectfully being able to disagree l see lot of people want to jump on pro-life dems. I don't understand them but they are still a large voting block

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
19. If persons being strongly pro choice, which btw your friend is, bothers you, you might be in the
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:59 PM
Apr 2017

wrong place, no?

askyagerz

(776 posts)
20. What are you talking about? Prochoice? What friend?
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:08 PM
Apr 2017

Im trying to talk strategy here. Not sure what you are reading between the lines?

askyagerz

(776 posts)
29. She was prolife
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:31 PM
Apr 2017

And that's exactly what I'm asking. Should we just tell her sorry you're in the wrong place or should we say look we are just gonna have to respectfully disagree on this and move on. Thanks for voting democratic

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
30. if she were pro life she wouldn't vote for a pro choice person.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:32 PM
Apr 2017

people who are personally against abortion but don't judge or vote along the lines for restricting access to abortion for others are by definition pro choice.

Silver Gaia

(4,546 posts)
10. My take: I think you are confusing voters with candidates.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:34 PM
Apr 2017

Anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, is free to cast his or her vote for Democrats. And I thank anyone who does! They can hold whatever personal beliefs they wish.

Democratic candidates, however, are, or SHOULD be, expected to adhere to the party platform. Likewise, Democrats should not be officially endorsing candidates who are at odds with Democratic positions, especially on something as important as this.

IMHO.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
14. But if you don't let in candidates with a few different opinions
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:44 PM
Apr 2017

we will never be able to win certain parts of the country. Trust me, just not gonna happen. So I guess it comes down to are we willing to throw away large chunks of the country by being so rabid on certain issues. I really don't have the answer

Silver Gaia

(4,546 posts)
21. Rabid? Really? We are being "rabid" about basic rights for women?
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:16 PM
Apr 2017

We don't need the entire country. We just need a majority--free of hacking, voter suppression, etc. (We already DO have the majority, but we are being attacked via the methods I mentioned, and others.) I do not see the point in going against our core values, and do not/will not support it. (Do Republicans do that? Not that I've seen.)

askyagerz

(776 posts)
26. But for a lot of people there is a big difference
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:28 PM
Apr 2017

Between basic women's rights and abortion and that is their core value. I have seen plenty of prolife dems being attacked by other dems. Just not sure if it's a good long term strategy. You may think having just enough votes to squeak by is good enough but I would feel better if we had as many votes as possible. There is definitely a balance somewhere between our core values and getting as many votes as we can.

Silver Gaia

(4,546 posts)
27. I'm done. I've said all I need or want to say on this.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:31 PM
Apr 2017

Compromise on THIS issue is non-negotiable. Done.

brer cat

(24,606 posts)
32. So you think it is "rabid" to respect a woman's right to privacy
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:39 PM
Apr 2017

and her right to make her own decisions regarding her health? Well, while we are at it, do you want to let in some candidates who think slavery is great and want to take us back there? That might win big in certain parts of the country.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
36. To me no. To a lot of people abortion is a very rabid issue
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 07:22 PM
Apr 2017

And if I was a pro-life dem here then the whole fact that this post even came up im sure would look like finger wagging. Just saying we might have to respectfully disagree sometime or we just might see a third party rise up and Ted Nugent will be our next prez

leftstreet

(36,112 posts)
13. Do you want us to send the woman roses?
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:40 PM
Apr 2017

FFS!

Why does she need to be coddled?

If she's willing to VOTE for a pro choice platform and candidate, then she should just do it and SHUT UP about her personal opinions.

No one cares, she doesn't need to 'share'

askyagerz

(776 posts)
15. Nope but she also probably shouldn't feel threatened
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 05:46 PM
Apr 2017

People are products of their environments. Some people just will never be able to shake this prolife view

brer cat

(24,606 posts)
34. Are you seriously claiming that she is being threatened
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 06:41 PM
Apr 2017

to HAVE an abortion? That is insane and straight out of a rw playbook.

askyagerz

(776 posts)
37. Hmmm. Pro-life dem chooses to put aside
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 07:28 PM
Apr 2017

Her core belief because she believes in the rest of our platform and votes democratic. Come on DU to talk about environmental issues and sees a post about the party platform of prochoice on the homepage. Yes I could see where she would feel intimidated to be here and maybe decide not to vote for us anymore. Pretty sure the only reason to even post that was for the pro-life people here

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