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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSpeculation about Bernie Sanders Running Again Is...Well...Speculation
The Senator from Vermont has made no such announcement. The speculation that he might run again, at age 78, is simply guesswork by political pundits, and is rare even among that group of serial speculators.
He is planning to run for reelection to his seat in the Senate in 2018, though. I strongly support him for that position. But, until Senator Sanders himself announces his intentions to seek the presidency again, anyone saying that he will run is simply exercising his or her imagination or hopefulness.
I suspect strongly that the Democratic candidate for President in 2020 will be someone who has not run for that office before. There is a considerable list of Democratic leaders who might consider a run, but I doubt very much that it will be someone who has run and lost in a previous election.
We're about due for a younger candidate from our Party. I hope and believe that we will select one such in 2020.
athena
(4,187 posts)is that those claiming Bernie is going to run for president in 2020 are the same people who caused so much havoc on left-leaning web sites prior to the election by pretending to be Bernie supporters and posting anti-Hillary propaganda. I'm not sure if you've watched Maddow's report on this, but she pointed out that they have not gone away. They are still there, trying to create disagreement among liberals. This is why I've been putting everyone on ignore who appears to be here to spew right-wing or authoritarian talking points rather than have a discussion.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)but I'm not so sure. A lot of people truly supported Senator Sanders' run in 2016. Once he failed to earn the nomination of the Democratic party, most of those people switched to supporting Hillary Clinton. Those who did not and chose to vote for a third party candidate were a very small minority. Sadly, that minority may have been enough, along with the meddling in the election, to cause her to lose in November.
I'm a fan of Bernie Sanders. I have been for years. As an independent Senator from Vermont, he has been a powerful voice in the Senate, despite not being officially a Democrat.
In fact, I supported him early in the primary race, but ended up switching my support to Clinton about halfway through.
I have no problem with people who see Senator Sanders as a voice for change. No problem at all. However, for someone to claim that he will be a candidate in 2020 without any evidence of that is questionable, I think.
Warpy
(111,462 posts)because it was simply unthinkable to vote GOP. Third party doesn't appeal to me unless they've got a chance at either winning or budging one of the Big Two to the left, both of which are as likely to happen as the Pope on a pogo stick.
Primaries are the time to suit yourself, to vote for the candidate (if any)
who most closely matches your own views . The general is where you take what you can get and I'm surprised a lot of Hillary fans who were put out because people disagreed with them during the primary don't get that.
As for 2020, it's far too soon to tell. It could be somebody with a big mouth that progressives love. It could be some obscure state politician nobody's ever heard of. Any speculation at this point is worthless.
TexasTowelie
(112,690 posts)Anything is possible. I'll miss you the next election.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And whether this is based on HRC hatred or they are paid bots, it's all the same to me. It's obvious by now they both exist - and feed off each other- despite all the denials.
It's obvious some are doing all they can to disrupt and make sure Dems are not united in this time of crises.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)Look at Twitter and any positive Bernie post on DU if you happen to disagree.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And just because the majority of Dems voted for Hillary it doesn't follow they're all HRC partisans. More likely they feel supporting Dems right now is important. For many of us it's not about "personalities" as much as fixing shit. Letting Trump of the hook because you disliked HRC- is NOT helping us.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)And I never said that ALL Hillary supporters are partisans. I was making the point that it's not just one side that is keeping the divide alive. Look at any post on DU where Bernie has done something good for Democrats or for progressive issues and there are numerous posts that continue to attack him.
In saying that, there is no way that the Democratic party shouldn't be pushed or criticized after the losses they faced the last 8 years. Anyone who thinks that just supporting Dems right now will change anything is fooling themselves.
And who's letting Trump off the hook?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Do that, of course people are going to correct the record. Why wouldn't Dems do that- its unifying behind Dems to do that. I don't get this weird thing to keep a spotlight on one person, but no one is trying to do that for HRC. There's only unity w Dems among her former supporters.
I'm sorry but We both know this divisive crap is the same divisive crap pushed by Russian bots all last year. Not giving it any creedence but it adds up why some completely ignore any discussion of the Russian intervention in the campaign and election.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)It's pretty much every positive post regarding Bernie. BTW, the fact that you call him "the Independent" is really disturbing. If it's a good fight or proposal we should all be happy for it. This isn't a game. Labels shouldn't matter if it's a good Democratic position.
Really? "No one is trying to do that for HRC"? Here are five in the last five hours or so. About the same number as those for Bernie. And regardless, what's wrong with that? They are all positive pieces for Hillary and/or Bernie.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141751801 - Hillary Clinton to join Gov. Cuomo at ceremonial bill signing of N.Y.s new free tuition program
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028923875 - Hillary Clinton won the Catholic vote after all, so dems should stay pro-choice, right?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028923604 - How bad was Hillary's email server, anyway?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028922662 - Tune in to hear HRC join Governor Cuomo at La Guardia Community College. Watch now:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141751998 - In joint appearance, Cuomo, Clinton hail free college tuition
And, please stop pretending that all Bernie supporters hate Hillary, don't believe in the Russia connection, and that some Hillary supporters aren't continuing to fight against Bernie and his supporters. It doesn't look good on you.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)(Except the analysis about the abortion issue- which exploded the moronic suggestion regarding support for reproductive rights )
And the point is we are seeing a lot of Sanders (who chose to be an Independent- and you should be pissed at HIM and not me for that) being painted as a one man band- and Dems as lame in comparison. Again- this is indistinguishable from the talking points Putin had disseminated on Sanders supporters websites. Don't be shocked that people will call it out since there was just testimony confirming this all.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)Bernie won 22 states in the Democratic primary. He probably would have won more if the Democrats didn't have closed elections.
Are you suggesting that all of those Democratic voters were duped by Putin? Is that where we are now? Honestly?
And, why would I be "pissed" at Bernie for being an Independent? That makes no sense. He's still fighting for progressive values. He's still working with the Democrats and doing everything he can to help get them elected. He's still on the road spreading his message with Democrats. Why would I care if he's labeled Democrat or not?
And where are all these "one man band" posts that you speak of? I'd love to see one.
lapucelle
(18,409 posts)rather than caucuses, so I think it all evens out.
In addition, the DNC did open up the primary to all voters in CA where they actually had that option, whereas the RNC chose to keep their CA primary closed.
It is the individual state boards of elections that generally determine the format and rules of their presidential primary elections, and budget considerations frequently enter into the equation. People need to stop blaming our party for things it does not control.
Cha
(298,058 posts)"can't fight back" and "party of the elite".
I would not have one thing to say about him if he hadn't insulted the Democratic Party who is out their fighting against the Fascistrump.. for our very lives.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)And, it's because they have lost everywhere by a lot. That's a fact.
So, if someone is out there explaining that the party needs to change then I have no problem with it.
We need to start winning again - and soon.
It's great that you think the Democrats are fighting against Trump, but that doesn't mean anything if they have no power and continue to lose. Something needs to change and you and I or Bernie having the Democrats back isn't the answer.
Cha
(298,058 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)Cha
(298,058 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)You think everything is just peachy keen with the party and no change is needed. There's no need to be critical. We should all be happy with losing and having no power. Saying anything critical doesn't help. Got it.
BTW, calling him BS is insulting?
Cha
(298,058 posts)the reality of BS insulting The Democratic Party with "feeble" and "can't fight back".
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)and I'm very grateful for his work. Almost Every time I have complimented him for anything here, I get alerted on, and my last appeal was deleted. Never a response. I can imagine how his supporters feel. This may be my last post, as I'll probably get booted for appreciating that man...I only said his name once.
dmr
(28,364 posts)I think we all need to stop arguing amongst ourselves because it only feeds into the discord that the Republicans (and Putin) hope for. It's a big waste of time, energy, solves nothing, and gives the Republicans ammunition.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)and know to sow discord and discontent among the left using narratives appealing to leftists. It's an old strategy since the days of Nixon because democratic coalitions are the biggest threat to republicans.
In 2015, conservative activists started websites and sought to make viral anti-hillary propaganda using the same tired clinton smears, after all anti-clinton propaganda is a bonafide cottage industry in conservative circles. These websites were created to target the left, to get leftists to further spread the shit and tar the nominee before the primaries were in full swing.
and this is why I get irritated when Liberals and so called leftists repeat and spread the same memes and smears.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)However, I get their stuff. They reach out to their people better and they are building loyalists.
I get at least 10 emails a day from Dem groups and candidates, as I have worked for many. Some of the individual Dems are doing a good job, but the Repubs in general, unfortunately, are doing a much better job. I fear it will come home to roost.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)If someone else comes forward that gives my that kind of trust then I will gladly support them.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)It's fine to "want" Senator Sanders to run. But to suggest that he is planning to do so, without any evidence, is specious.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)nikibatts
(2,198 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)And he doesn't despise the Democratic party. He ran for president to lead them.
Also, he criticizes them when they fail. Same as I do when the sports team I love team continues to lose.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Thinking. It's persona over policy, experience and credentials, and it's this idiot "gut thinking" that got us where we are.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)If true, why not? Politiics is a game, like it or not.
And, my party, the Democratic party, keeps getting it's butt kicked in almost every important election - at least the past 8-9 years.
So, why shouldn't I be critical, or care if someone else is critical if they're right, since something obviously needs to change? And, politics is so much more important than sports. Giving up on my favorite team is fine because it doesn't mean anything. Giving up on my political party because the other is evil is something none of us should do.
So, you may be right. It's analogous because they both pit one opponent against another, but it may not be because politics means so much more.
Either way it makes no sense to not be critical of the Democratic party when all they continue to do is get beat by a really shitty opponent. We should all demand better.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And yeah I think people mindlessly become loyal to candidates without knowing much about their policies or other candidates policies and it sucks for us.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)Because that's what I'm talking about.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's ridiculous to focus on 2020- way too early and have to preserve the civil rights, heath care and social security of our citizens. Otherwise we are all fucked- unless you subscribe to the "burn it down" philosophy? Because that's there is treating politics like a game- most often done by those with nothing to lose. Not down with that shit.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)The ONLY way to stop them is to win congressional races now and in 2018.
Also, focusing ONLY on the presidential election is the reason we are so concerned with stopping the GOP and Trump. We HAVE TO start worrying about all future elections RIGHT NOW. We can not wait.
What do you mean by "have to preserve the civil rights, heath care and social security of our citizens". How do you plan to do that with absolutely no power? Eventually the GOP will ignore the tweets and actually pass something devastating. It's going to happen.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I distrust those who do. Fuck Sarandon, Greenwald, Assange and al of Putins tools who sit on their asses and pretend Dems are worse than the GOP. They're too embarrassed at how they got played to ever admit it. Or likely complicit, like Assange.
And WOW - you're giving up on Obamacare and Social security? Hell no. I'm so glad my Dem reps are smarter than that. Sorry I can't say I agree w your focus at all. Go litigate 2020 with someone else. I'm living in the present.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)Good luck with that.
And yes, you are giving up on Obamacare and Social Security if you think you can stop it without starting to work on electing Democrats.
You might be new to politics. I don't know. But, here's some advice.
The last election is over. Every Democrat should move on. There is nothing you, or anyone else, can do to change the results. The Republicans control everything now, and there's no way they will suddenly erase the election and give power back to the Democrats. Only a fool would think anything can be changed because of some investigation that will never happen.
I will move forward and elect strong Democrats in EVERY election. I'm tired of seeing a party that continues to lose and does nothing to change. It's time we all wake up.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Years ago. Watergate pales in comparison to what already has come out and is slowly being confirmed by the senate committee.
Not moving on from the biggest scandal ever to hit the GOP - and totally distrust anyone who advises us to.
And wait till 2020 to save Obamacare? Oh dear, you don't know how shit works at all, do you? Social Security is going no where I'd real Dems have anything to do with. Ignoring this crap is unconscionable and I question the motives of anyone who recommends it.
Bye bye!
StubbornThings
(259 posts)jackssonjack
(79 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And also forget about social security and Obamacare.
They cannot be fucking serious. Just no.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)It will end the same way the SCOTUS nomination ends.
Your way of fighting won't change anything. Mine at least gives us hope.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That's brilliant!
StubbornThings
(259 posts)No chance they do anything to take themselves out of power.
jackssonjack
(79 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)This will not end well for you if you don't wake up.
jackssonjack
(79 posts)Your condescension isn't appreciated.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)A straight face here at DU? It's the most ridiculous thing.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And getting rid of social security and cutting taxes for only the wealthy? I see some people selfishly want he GOP to burn it down, but just NO.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And yet you're here trying to convince me ignoring what's going on now (forget social security and healthcare and worry about 2020) is the right ticket?
And it's all because you want to win? LOL. I don't buy a single word of that salad. Good luck to you. Thanks for the laugh.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)The USA has 17 intel agencies.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-17-intelligence-agencies-20170112-story.html
Just want to clear that up.
jackssonjack
(79 posts)it is 17. Thank you.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)It's looking at years of their record and seeing consistency and honesty. It also helps that most Bernie supporters also strongly support his policies and admire his experience and credentials.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Than it is based on facts. Trusting works the same way for many. I know I'm the odd one out that never needed to "fall in love" with a candidate but it leaves me doing more research than many others who only dig deep enough to confirm their biases.
Even among politically active liberals I have to say I've never seen so much bullshit propaganda than I have in the past eighteen months. I've never seen "liberals" push RW conspiracy crap like they did last year. Still seeing it.
We have lots of people downplaying the Russian influence too. Hmmmmmm.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)For instance I've never seen so many 'liberals' sneer and mock core liberal ideology and throw baseless attacks at someone who previously was held up as an exemplar of progressivism. I've also never seen so many 'liberals' in the face of a defeat refusing to look forward and instead focusing on performing witch hunts where only they are apparently qualified to decide who is and who isn't a real Democrat any more.
I'm not sure where this ends to be honest, apart from in bitterness.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And would have been okay with most of them winning. I saw a stark difference between all of them and the GOP.
Many here claimed there was no difference at all. But I think they were blinded by such love they really thought they had a flawless candidate. There really is no such thing. I don't get the extreme cult of personality- I find it concerning.
athena
(4,187 posts)I hadn't thought of it this way before, but you're exactly right. The focus on the personality of a politician is something one normally sees in young democracies. Because people don't understand or trust that they can get things done through the political system, they keep hoping for a charismatic leader to swoop in and save them. In a mature democracy, people focus more on ideas than on the person at the top. I'm afraid these cults of personality around Sanders and Trump are yet another symptom of how badly the system has been weakened.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And everyone we had was miles better than anyone on the GOP side- and Trump?!? OMG it's like people refused to see the stupid rapey con man that he told us he was. Or more likely- knew that his con wouldn't hurt them as much as the more vulnerable.
Poor HRC had a razors edge to walk on with all that "flawed" and "unlikable" shit. That no one used those words toward Trump was all too telling.
Cha
(298,058 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)Having the Democrats back means nothing if they continue to lose and have zero power.
lapucelle
(18,409 posts)than running as an independent candidate.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I have an aunt and uncle running their own corporations in their mid 80s. They don't need money, but they are driven to work. Sharp as tacks. A few medical problems, but they manage them. Very unusual though.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)I'm sure there is someone younger that holds the same positions as Bernie but I haven't seen him or her yet.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)perseverance, strength, ability to inspire, and his message. If it weren't for his age, well, we will see. Maybe w a VP like Jason Kander, who I worked for, because he was one of the only ones who had the guts to aggressively be pro gun control. I don't live in his state, but like B, even though he lost, he is going like a freight train.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)Jason Kander looks like a good one. I'd be curious to see if he's a strong progressive on economic issues as well.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)with him. Unfortunately, he is in red Missouri, but so far Claire McCaskill keeps lucking out there.
LenaBaby61
(6,979 posts)IF Bernie runs for the presidency, his age would spook me out. Plus, didn't I hear that we needed new blood at the top of the Dem ticket? Also, there are other things Bernie would of course be facing via nazi bannon, the GOP, and the ruskies--and anybody who thinks bannon's gone, uh no. tRumputin's never going to "really" throw him under any bus. fat drunk #2 knows where all of the other fatso #1 tRumputin's bodies are buried, and he'll turn on him via Breitbart and the Mercer's will be going after lying, fatso #1. bannon's got a ton of "stuff" on him, and of course we know tRumputin's puppet master has his federal taxes and God knows what else on his puppet if he doesn't do as he (putin) says.
Per Clint Watts who testified in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee recently, russia's STILL meddling--they haven't closed up shop. So, Bernie would be facing the SAME russian interference as Hillary did. I figure FakiLeaks would get their 2 cents worth of lies in there too, ruskie bots, ruskie trolls on 'roids, RT, Sputnik, and a still too complicit/corporate media whose still mostly in the tank for tRumputin would have their "place" in a 2020 election cycle concerning the Dem nominee for President, and of course the GOP'S voter suppression vs Dems will be off the chain and with beauregard riding shot gun for the GOP as AG. My God, a tRumputin DOJ will monitor voter suppression? There are a TON of things I pray will be resolved concerning all of that "interference" no matter WHAT person from the Dem side runs for president in 2020.
I'm hoping we Dems can vote and that our votes count in 2018/2020
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I think they are less likely to do it to Bernie because he isn't an interventionist. I wasn't a supporter, but I admire him. Bannon and his ilk will be there, even if trump isn't.
I wish they had stayed underground.
You sound depressed and pissed about it all. I am too. I guess we all are. The grassroots of our party is good, but we don't have strong national leadership, IMHO. Perhaps, as has been said, we are targeting specific elections, rather than donating nationally. I am. Anyway, im aware of how organized the opposition is, nationally, and it's scary that we are so far behind.
Demsrule86
(68,824 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)And then immediately do the same thing yourself.
"I suspect strongly that the Democratic candidate for President in 2020 will be someone who has not run for that office before."
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)Our side has a strong team of elders, we need younger blood also.
Wounded Bear
(58,791 posts)There are more immediate things to address.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)Oh well.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Alice11111
(5,730 posts)I get his stuff. Unfortunately, it is good from a PR reaching out to his troops point. The Dems just ask for money, w a tiny bit of superficial info that any Dem who ever reads a newspaper already knows. Geez, I especially hate the ones chewing my butt out, when I've given 3 days in a row. I fear they are building loyalists and we are often sending annoying emails.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)This is a bit out there. You think its rare for political pundits to throw out guesses about who will run for president in 4 years? It seems absolutely normal and predictable to me. They've done it for as long as I can remember.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I haven't seen any such speculations in any serious venue so far.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)When they know a million things can change between now and then. It's firmly within political pundit territory though.
MineralMan
(146,351 posts)I don't consider many political pundits to fit that category, especially those who write for free on minor Internet venues.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)In this age of non-stop media though, people need to find something to fill the airwaves and blogs with noise.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I speculate that he will run and easily win the primary. Not what I want but it's set up very well for him right now.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)And, I'm not being snarky when I say that.
There is nothing wrong with speculation in politics on an Internet forum, and I appreciate your honesty.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)bekkilyn
(454 posts)And I'd very likely vote for him. He could even have a younger VP as a back-up plan for any potential age issues. However, he's a fantastic senator and so I'd be very happy for him to stay in the senate and keep doing the great job he's doing there and hope that someone else who shares Bernie's progressive values runs for President.
It would be a good thing for us to have MANY good options for 2020, so the more the better!
KPN
(15,678 posts)He's already done his service to the nation and should feel good with that. I think he will. But that's just me and my gut.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,257 posts)"identity politics". I will never be on the Bernie train, and even the thought of another 4 years of Dump can make me.
Gothmog
(145,942 posts)Demsrule86
(68,824 posts)We need new blood, and I fear running the same candidates will give Trump a second term.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That scam is over and we must demand transparency.
Cha
(298,058 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Especially since he tried to hold them hostage in exchange for speech transcripts. That was so wrong.
I'm still curious what he was hiding in 2015.
Gothmog
(145,942 posts)Any reports claiming that Sanders disclosed his tax returns are false
Gothmog
(145,942 posts)TSIAS
(14,689 posts)You could have knocked me over with a mother fucking feather with that startling revelation.
Gothmog
(145,942 posts)I doubt that Sanders will run and he will not be allowed on the ballot in several key states if he does not provide his tax returns. I am amazed that Sanders refused to provide his tax returns
FDRsGhost
(470 posts)To win the nomination
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)I believe he will run. He is a proven commodity.
Age is not a factor.
Sam
Cha
(298,058 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Gavin Newsom would do nicely.
PatrickforO
(14,604 posts)Chair Tom Perez barnstorming in deep red states WITH Bernie!
Bernie's gonna help as long as he can. And he has a heck of a great message.
You know, when the highly-esteemed and noble Wasserman-Schultz was DNC chair and they sent me solicitations for money I'd write a letter telling them to stand for things that actually help the American people, like single payer healthcare, free public community college, university or vo-tech education in state postsecondary schools. Yeah, I know it isn't practical, blah, blah, blah, but at least TRY.
When I heard Perez has the guts to go WITH Bernie into these red states with the message, I immediately wrote the DNC a check for $100 and mailed it that very day.
FINALLY!
Announcing the 'Come together and fight back' tour! YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!