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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIM ANGRY AS HELL but...
Sometimes I think, if I'm this angry, with my maybe 2 years of political experience...
How angry can those of you be, that have been around for Nixon and Bush and Reagan and all that??
Will this young democrat be able to survive? How the fuck are you doing it?
I mean, WOW. Props to you experienced Democrats.
mopinko
(70,394 posts)lol.
so does knowing that politics is very heavily influenced by money and fraud and suppression. and lies, lies, lies.
this turd isnt really the choice of our fellow citizens. it helps me to remember that, anyway.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)But there is always another election to fight for.
I almost cancelled my voter registration after Bush v. Gore. Instead, I started writing letters to congress people. It's easier today because we have so much support in the resistance movement. The Women's March re-energized me. I take comfort in knowing there are so many of us who feel the same way and are trying to change what we cannot live with.
Have faith, Grasshopper.
kimbutgar
(21,289 posts)This is way worst and I seriously fear for the survival of fhis country. You have to get your friends involved and take this country back to sanity. Get off the smart phones and take to the streets.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)kimbutgar
(21,289 posts)And sorry if the smartphone offended you. I see millennials all the time on their phones you are an exception then.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)irisblue
(33,063 posts)of course you have friends here.
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retrowire
(10,345 posts)niyad
(113,992 posts)left of my sanity since the bush horror.
JHan
(10,173 posts)I know older folks love to decry us for our phone use, and there should be better smartphone etiquette, but smartphones are a transformative bit of technology which serves myriad functions - it is very convenient/utilitarian/effective while being fun.
mtngirl47
(992 posts)because of Trump....but also because of the social media that is constantly bombarding them
with information.
Whenever I want to decry a current generation for their ways...I remember how my generation
was criticized for sex, drugs, blue jeans and rock and roll!
kimbutgar
(21,289 posts)spooky3
(34,536 posts)just going into 10th grade when this occurred. This is worse!
Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)Best advice I can give you is...stay angry! More importantly remain vigilant, informed and resist!
This is like nothing I've ever witnessed in my 65 years...
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)There is nothing much we can do to cope with that.
His greed and fraud practices are also disgusting.
His stupidity is intolerable.
Whatever it takes, he has to go.
UTUSN
(70,807 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I will give you this old "dyed in the wool" Democrats opinion.
I am mad as hell, too.
I have seen this same crap going on my whole life, and I watched my parents fight the same battles in their time.
But I never, ever thought we would elect a president who teamed up with Russia to win an election. The thought of my WW2 veteran father spending two years in a Bataan prison camp, so that Assface could come along 70 years later and sell us out to a dictator, makes me despise Donald Trump.
He is trampling on, and destroying our country, and he must GO, post haste!
But a word of advice, young Democrat...the fight will continue; because, it must continue.
March On, Democrats!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)I'm a Buddhist and currently reading Dzogchen Ponlop Rinpoche's book, "Emotional Rescue" https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Rescue-Emotions-Transform-Confusion/dp/0143130412/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1491233513&sr=1-1&keywords=emotional+rescue
I found his advice on how to deal with and use powerful negative emotions to be quite helpful. You don't have be a Buddhist, or religious in any way to get some value from his advice. Very modern and Western.
Other than that I would add that channeling my anger into enlightened action is the best way for me to deal with it. I've had anger issues since I was a child, and I'm a 70 yr old lady now. My anger will never stop arising. It's an entrenched habitual reaction, when things don't go my way, of fit my pictures. But I can choose not to thoughtlessly act out my anger.
We have a lot of work before us to start winning elections. Anger is a strong powerful emotion that I channel into electing a progressive congressman in my very rural red gerrymandered district.
sprinkleeninow
(20,272 posts)Witnessed JFK's assassination, lived thru Watergate, Nam and Korea, all the rest of highly distressing events. Bushes'* illegal invasions, the 43rd selected People' House occupier, etc.
As has been extolled in encouragement-->stay strong, stay informed, stay vigilant, persist and resist.
Do the best you can!
V... 👍❤
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)we have lived thru many horrors, this is the scariest. We used to have what was called the "loyal" opposition, which was a good thing. We no longer have honorable people across the aisle, w/ very few exceptions. We used to know that at the very least we are all patriots. Not any more. This one may even get worse.
Wounded Bear
(58,797 posts)No offense, but we've been trying to ward off theocratic autocracy for decades and hoping that young people would start to realize that it's your future we're fighting for here.
Welcome aboard, though! After 20-30 years you kind of get used to fighting for every little thing.
Vinca
(50,336 posts)everything in between and since, but I honestly never thought I'd live to see someone in the White House who was completely mentally unstable. It's frightening. Anyone who can crawl to a voting booth needs to get there in the midterm. If we end up being stuck with this fool until 2020, we have to at least having stopping power.
Warpy
(111,478 posts)I was a little kid, not in school yet, but I remember how pervasive the fear was. Everybody was deeply frightened because a call from anyone with a real or imagined grudge could ruin their lives completely. Seeing my own parents white knuckled as they'd watch this stuff was really disturbing, even to a little kid.
Vinca
(50,336 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,020 posts)The '60s and early '70s were very crazy times, much more violent than now, so it wasn't just Nixon that was a problem. Johnson, who was very good on some other things, screwed the pooch regarding Vietnam, so shit was hitting the fan when Nixon was first elected. Nixon was even worse than Johnson with respect to the war (see Kent State), but the full knowledge of his criminality wasn't known until Watergate started to blow up. That was fascinating to watch, and it was really satisfying when he was forced to resign. But his people, some of whom are still around (Roger Stone, for example) invented dirty tricks and ratfucking elections.
Reagan epitomized the '80s. He was smug and sneaky and smiled all the time, pretending to be everybody's kindly grandpa - but he was racist as shit, and was responsible for the meme of "welfare queens" and the idea that government is always the problem. Frankly, I wasn't sorry when that nutball shot him.
Bush I was kind of a nothingburger (I barely remember anything about him, other than his "no new taxes" BS and the fact that he didn't know how bar codes at stores worked); Bush II was, of course, spectacularly awful. Not much more needs to be said.
Obama was such a breath of fresh air; I think we all thought the Era of Terrible Presidents was finally over. The election of Trump was the biggest political shock ever. The previous terrible presidents had at least a few redeeming qualities* but Trump has none. What keeps me going is the same thing that kept me going in the past: the knowledge that he will not be president forever. In fact, it's almost exactly the same attitude I had during Watergate: This asshole is going down.
*W has few redeeming qualities, but he did describe Trump's inauguration speech as "some weird shit," so I'll give him credit for that.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Peace
marlakay
(11,543 posts)But also take time away from it. Go for a hike, to the beach, fly a kite, go bowling, go dancing, go to a concert, watch a funny movie.
Hang out on another online site besides politics of anything else you are interested in. Right now we are raising a golden retriever puppy and I am on a golden forum.
I go to local marches in my area and campaign when i can, but right now taking a time out for mental refreshment.
I also was in high school during watergate and watched the hearings with my dad who screamed at tv. I learned to care about what happens from him.
sprinkleeninow
(20,272 posts)She def takes some of the 'edge' off. Otherwise mb bonkersville for us.
marlakay
(11,543 posts)Total cat people for 18 yrs we have been together until this.
We are loving our new doggie, he is adorable and the cuteness and love helping me with the crap going on.
sprinkleeninow
(20,272 posts)Mothers' Day 1995. We got our kitty daughter in '98 and she passed over last Mothers' Day Friday from kidney disease (under my two hands). She was 18. Got another crack in my heart. We didn't want to replace her so soon with another. so we got our doggie daughter. We saved her, and she's 'saving us'.
💛 to you guys and your furchild!
TXCritter
(344 posts)My earliest political memories are of Nixon's hearings. (They interrupted my cartoons!)
I've been an environmental activist since I was 10.
I've been aware of and understood the basics of climate change since I was 10.
I tried to turn away from it but I can't.
How do you ignore problems that can destroy civilization? How do you shut off the outside world and live in a bubble when you already know what's really going on?
So, you channel the rage and find a way.
StrictlyRockers
(3,861 posts)Sometimes you lose a lot. Sometimes you win. You have to keep fighting the good fight.
Amaryllis
(9,527 posts)Youth just before Helms Deep Battle: Some of the men are saying there is no hope.
Aragorn: There is always hope.
Frodo: I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened.
Gandalf: So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)Hekate
(91,055 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Take care of yourself. If you're into social media "follow" the "good guy team", see who they 'follow'
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,088 posts)Maintain calm awareness.
Be poised to shift stance quickly.
Don't fight fears or worries. Whenever fears and worries rush in to overwhelm you, just say to yourself "Oh, hi. You again." Then mentally in your mind open a window and let a breeze waft them away. Direct yourself to something that needs to be done, not as a distraction, but as a way to maintain progress forward.
We will survive. We will persist and persevere.
You, me, DU, Democrats, the USA, this beautiful world. We will persist and triumph together.
lastlib
(23,391 posts)45, almost 50, actually. My awakening came with Kent State. When I realized that TPTB were willing to use their guns to silence those who disagreed with them, it was a brutal slap in the face against what I thought democracy would be. Watergate only made it worse, and Rayguns elevated the anger by an exponential factor; so did the B*shes and their wars. Obama was a breath of fresh air, but Tinyhands and the stolen election has been like Bhopal/Chernobyl combined to those of us who breathed that fresh air.
As an "oldster" talking to a younger American, I would plead with you to fight the good fight, and pour your heart and soul into it. We need you to succeed where we have failed. Bring justice and decency and fairness to our country.
Atman
(31,464 posts)I lived through Nixon, I lived through Reagan and Iran-Contra, which saw blatant law-breaking brushed aside, but I've never seen anything like this. A complete con man in violation of so many laws and regulations, and NO ONE CARES. I'm dumbfounded. But I guess, in their defense, Trumpsky is not black and he didn't send emails.
niyad
(113,992 posts)or, as I tell these jackasses, I am too damned stubborn, and too damned angry, to be going anywhere. I plan to outlive them ALLLLLL!!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I registered as a Dem., but voted for Reagan, although I respected and liked Carter. I just thought that he was unable to handle what was going on. We had double digit inflation; interest rates were running 18% to 20% to buy a house or car. I also though that Carter & the Dem Party was making a mistake in not allowing Ted Kennedy to run.
I was very young. A lot has changed since then for me. I voted for Reagan's opponent the next election (I don't even remember who that was). I had realized my mistake, and corrected myself.
I'm very interested in politics, so I'm unfortunately aware of a lot of things going on that most people are not (not DU people, of course; they are among the MOST knowledgeable I've encountered.).
What I have had to do in the past is...pick a couple of issues and concentrate on those, letting others carry the weight of the other issues. It becomes too much for one's brain to worry about it all. ESPECIALLY in times like these.
I am VERY concerned that we have a Russian puppet White House. So I think I'll focus on that. I'll let others worry about Gorsuch, although I have opinions.
I am also VERY concerned about the environment.
So I think I may concentrate on those two things.
It helps to remind myself sometimes that I'm not in power, the decision is not mine, and I don't have the advantage of having meetings with other Democrats in power, like the Congress people.
At some point, I have to rely on the people in power taking the ball and running with it, and unless something is very wrong with their decision, I tend to support them. I assume they have a plan or have some knowledge that I don't. (But sometimes I've been wrong....Obamacare turned out to be a nightmare for me...I lost sleep, I got seriously depressed. It affected my life in a very bad way. But ultimately, the decision wasn't mine.)
mtngirl47
(992 posts)mcar
(42,476 posts)Terrified for my draft age sons and nephews. Worried about our future.
Also active for the first time in my 50+ years.
denbot
(9,901 posts)Medical Marijuana.
wryter2000
(46,145 posts)We got the bum out.
We won big in 2006 and 2008. I believe we'll get the current squatter out of the White House before the end of his first term. You just hang in there and celebrate the victories.
catbyte
(34,554 posts)worst stretch of my life, save for nursing my dad through ALS, my mom through ministrokes & dementia, and losing my husband in 2014. Seriously, my whole world was shaken to its core and I'm still not back to normal. I couldn't watch the news for 3 months, and have only taken baby steps watching it since the Dolt 45*/Kremlin scandal started heating up. I still can't listen to that orange bastard speak. I lost interest in just about everything, seriously. I think I went through a serious situational depression, but I'm pulling out of it. My tv was permanently set to the Classical Music channel.
I've been bummed out and/or pissed off when Republicans won in the past, but this was different, much different. Something dark, dangerous, and evil happened on 11/8/16. It is also a horrid, hopeless feeling to see things I've worked for for 40 years be swept away with the stroke of that orange horror's pen. But, we keep fighting.
That's how I feel, at least.
mnhtnbb
(31,420 posts)Then there was MLK, Jr, and Bobby. And Medgar Evers and Malcolm X.
Do not try to tell me that the rise of Trump was not about racism. Bullshit. And misogyny.
Yes, Nixon, Reagan, Bush...but Trump is about white male supremacy. And money.
I am 66 now. I would be lying to you if I didn't admit to being afraid for the country...and the world.
Republicans have gone too far. Trump, Pence, McConnell and Ryan all need to be removed from office.
The Founding Fathers did not provide a do-over mechanism for a stolen election, influenced by foreign powers.
We either step up and evolve, or we will watch the 240 year experiment in democracy waste away.
That means everyone needs to RESIST!
democrank
(11,115 posts)Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Vietnam War, all of it. Activists came together without the benefit of cell phones, computers, social media....by the tens of thousands. I saw more courage, more willingness to stand up for something back then than during any other time since. For many of us old timers, the principles formed during that time are still deeply held today.
The underlying reasons for who got drafted and who did not during the Vietnam War are still alive and well today. That's one reason non-violent resistance is required now as it was was back then.
Don't give up.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,201 posts)Playing defense so much of the time is exhausting.
The Blue Flower
(5,451 posts)I've been politically active since the 60s. What works is persistence. The truth always makes itself known.
Rainngirl
(243 posts)am incredibly grateful for young liberals like you who actually want to get involved and pay attention. At the Seattle march, I met so many young folks who are way more savvy than I ever was at that age and it made me hopeful, in spite of the clueless, narcissistic young people I see so often taking selfies and whining about unimportant stuff (see any exchange between the Kardashian sisters). Sometimes I'm in great despair that the people who actually could do something about this horrible orange man and his viper of a VP and incompetent cabinet seem to still want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and give him time, and try to compromise--even though he will never compromise, is completely and frighteningly unfit for office, and will probably do more damage than we can ever possibly undo before we can get him out of office. I go between wanting to hide under the covers until it's over and wanting to light my hair on fire and run screaming into the streets. What we have to fight is the apathy of so many of the people who didn't vote, and the remaining non-crazy Congresspeople HAVE to stop being so spineless. They have to start speaking out with bold language like Maxine and Pelosi and Franken to point out what a mad man we have in the white house without being afraid of retaliation.
pnwmom
(109,026 posts)The only way we will survive is by hanging together. We DO have your back. This is NOT the country we want to pass on to you, and we're so sorry about what's been happening.
RESIST -- but live your life, too.
Don't lose hope. Don't give up. Find strength in the people you love.
blue sky at night
(3,242 posts)I have been pissed since Junior High when Dick Nixon showed up...grew up 5 miles from Kent State...it has not been easy and hope comes once in a while....guess all I can say is you are learning!!
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Thanks for your acknowledgement of our experience.
You will survive because that is the secret to getting to the assholes! You survive, you stay involved, you vote, you influence others, and you don't ever let up.
It is really tends to piss me off when I see posts (on DU, and otherwise) that think people of a few years need to die off and let the younger generations handle things. Not so fast because EVERYONE gets old. Our votes still count.
There are plenty of us on DU of a certain age who have been Democrats our whole lives. Our mindset has nothing to do with age. It has everything to do with insight, intelligence, and compassion.
The more that I see Republicans get away with, the angrier that I get. I've been pretty angry since early November of last year. My hardest thing is being patient. I truly believe that Trump is going to go down in flames. I know he's a treasonous asshole. It's just waiting for all of the rest of the idiots who can't see that to catch up. So, I spend time on DU because DU'ers already have it figured out.
Skittles
(153,318 posts)whenever I read these "conscience" statements by republicans saying oh they're just appalled by Trump, acting like the Greedy Old Pig party was so pure before he came along - fuck that - repukes have been fucking America as long as I can remember
Warpy
(111,478 posts)You laugh at how insane things are getting and at the newscasters and writers pretend they're normal. You laugh at the puzzled expressions on the faces of water cooler ranters who aren't quite so smug any more. You laugh at the fact that you see right through this bunch of thieves and spies and it's easy but no one else ever seems to, and you laugh at the sheer hopelessness because it's not your mess and no one will allow you to try to clean it up.
Mostly, you laugh at your own speculation that sending all these crazy men into families with extreme wealth might be Moither Earth's way of leading up to a cataclysm of stupidity that will reduce human population numbers to something the planet can withstand.
I laughed during Nixon and Reagan. I will continue to laugh at the Orange Horror and his gang of Russian mob enablers trying to act like responsible leaders. I will laugh loud and long.
You have to learn how to laugh. The alternative is very unpleasant.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It's that kind of laugh. "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE HAHAHAHAHAHA"
But I think it's unhealthy for me.
Warpy
(111,478 posts)Once you give up any responsibility for the rotten situation caused by such rotten men, it gets easier.
I know I bear no responsibility. I know these men to be rotten. I vote against them. As they work to exceed my expectations of their sheer rottenness, I have to laugh at the effort.
I've also done quite a bit of laughing at our side, I've had to as they've managed to throw elections away with both hands by misallocating funds and assigning lobbyists turned campaign handlers to dilute a candidate's positions into something conservatives who aren't too bright can cope with, strategy that suppresses our turnout while those conservatives vote for the real dumb guy.
I mean, look at all these eejits! They're hilarious and the more pompous and bloated they are, the funnier they get.
Unfortunately, the housecleaning started by Perez and Ellison is threatening to give me something I haven't felt in many years: hope. Nothing destroys a good laugh like hope for something better coming along.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)BushII, or one more corrupt than Nixon to answer your query
I think seasoned, or semi newbie that Trump is such a mutant of some of the worst and then add the WWII terrible leaders he admires etc. and anyone who isn't reacting is odd to me.
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)A lot of great answers on here.
First, this degree of threat has not been seen since the Great Depression, when the US was vulnerable to the same risks due to capitalism's perceived failure as the USSR, China, etc.
But constitutional democracy held because, IMHO, the country was founded on it, there are rigid checks and balances, loss of democracy an existential threat, and the US is so multi-racial, ethnic, cultured, etc, there's no majority native population to develop a consensus allowing one white sociopath asshole from Queens to become the ruler.
The attempt would force many states to secede, and I don't see federal soldiers fighting against family on behalf of a con-man with allegiance to Russia with a 36% approval rating. Even the secretary of defense is like WTF.
IMHO, this ugly partisanship is unparalleled in my lifetime and started sometime after the USSR stopped being a real superpower threat. Probably the late 70's, but it wasn't until 1990 when the USSR and Berlin wall fell when that partisanship produced people like Rush Limbaugh that there was an accepting audience. There was a brief respite for a month after 9/11 but that's it. Its gotten progressively worse.
But I'm personally pleased with and empowered by the democratic backlash, and even some conservative Republicans and former Trump supporters, the judicial branch holding up, the media not being intimidated. I hope once Trump falls, Russians are inspired to continue protesting Putin.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)That's what I've been telling a few people I know who are close to despair.
Believe me, I'm feeling it too, but hold to that thought, because this is the worst I have ever seen.
Know that you cannot do it all, and that it is not meant to be all on your shoulders. Find your allies, your affinity group, and do what you can. Call. Write postcards. Show up at the marches. Every bit helps. Reach out to others who are hurting, but beware of reinforcing FUD: fear, uncertainty, doubt.
Take care of yourself, take care of your physical and mental health. If your health breaks, you won't be able to be in the fight.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I survived Watergate in high school and the very end of the Vietnam War also in high school. This country has weathered the Great Depression, WW2, the Civil War, and other problems. Yes, I know this is worse than Watergate. However, we're investigating it right now pretty quickly compared to Watergate.
If I had no faith in the American people, I would despair. I think we're going to be left with Pence or Ryan as President within the next year or so.
Keep the faith and take breaks from the bad news.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)At least during the time of Nixon, most people knew wrong from right and turned against him, however. Now there is no shame or scruples. DU and fellow Dems in my life help greatly.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)LeftInTX
(25,824 posts)I was always worried about the draft during the Vietnam war. However, we also got the voting age down to 18 during that time. Watergate started heating up right after we pulled out of Vietnam. Honestly, I was just glad that no one else was going to get drafted. There was plenty of stuff to keep me busy, I was graduating from high school, I was going to college when Nixon quit.
I couldn't stand Reagan. I hated him so much, I couldn't stand to see him on TV. I still can't watch him.
He repulsed me so much, that I would rather watch Trump on TV any day than Reagan.
The only good news about Reagan was: I didn't watch TV back then. Thought it was a waste of time, and I was busy with career, marriage and kids.
I did get focused on the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearings and was very disappointed when he was confirmed.
I think things have changed as we went to 24 hour news and the internet. We are bombarded with information.
Bush II was the first internet president. And after 9/11, it was pretty hard to avoid watching cable TV. However, throughout the entire Bush presidency, my oldest son was in all sorts of trouble and was on drugs, so I had a diversion, but my diversion was often filled with my own personal sense of doom. The issues with my son affected me more than the Iraq War.
Fast forward to now: I don't have diversions. My kids are all grown. I have a too much free time. I spend too much time on the internet etc.
After Trump won, I went into a dark place emotionally. It really got bad after his inauguration.
One thing that has helped me is I joined Indivisibles. I don't worry about whether Trump will be impeached or not. I don't obsess about 2018 or 2020. I know we are doing what we can to mitigate the Republican trifecta. It really helps to be around like minded people. (In real life)
If Indivisibles isn't for you, consider volunteering in your community.
Find a small way to make your world a better place.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Haven't missed one since; but this is the MOST pissed I've ever been. Yep, did the marches, the boycotts, name it..........
NOW, I'm scared, first time ever.