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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOMFG! Trump's tweeting about Hillary and debate questions
...this is pathetic.
Donald J. Trump? @realDonaldTrump 24m24 minutes ago
Did Hillary Clinton ever apologize for receiving the answers to the debate? Just asking!
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)Cha
(298,087 posts)anything
samnsara
(17,667 posts)let him know what you think of his antics. FFS N Korea has the west coast in their sites and hes fingering himself!!!
TheBlackAdder
(28,261 posts).
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riversedge
(70,466 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Scar told Mika, "OK, you can say it now". Mika said, "It's time for the 25th amendment. Seriously...NOW."
tanyev
(42,678 posts)BSdetect
(8,999 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 3, 2017, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)
Did I say LOLOLO?
Cosmocat
(14,590 posts)Scar is a POS intern head bashing partisan.
You expect him to do his petulant swooning of the GOP.
Mika was truly horrible, with her phony, barely audible I am voting Hillary stance completely lost in her daily dismissive and derisive scolding of her.
They normalized 45 while normalizing the hate framing of Hillary.
The blood is on their hands like 90% of the beltway elitist media.
Fuck them.
Paladin
(28,290 posts)The expressions of regret from Joe & Mika are WAY the hell too late.
I don't know how anyone can watch these shows day in and day out. Ugh.
Me.
(35,454 posts)That Hillary was on her high horse and needed to get off it.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Their opinions made them unwatchable.
Spouting a new corporate line contrary to what they said for a year and a half - for Rachel-ratings - doesn't change the fact that they are still unwatchable.
karynnj
(59,511 posts)The only part of the media that has made a real attempt to be fair and unbiased is the print media.
In the past, this meant speaking both of the positives and negatives for both Obama and Trump. While all stories are shaped by the values and biases of the writer, the intent of most of that media was an attempt to be honest and fair. While it is true that the Wall Street Journal and Chicago Tribune lean right, their news pages are fact based.
In 2016, they had the challenge of Trump being far out of the norm and really NOT having many, if any, positives. The mainstream PRINT media did a laudable job with both the NYT and the WP (and surprisingly the New Yorker) jumping out of their complacency and writing very serious detailed exposes on Trump. This includes the NYT covering in detail his seedy youth where his family sent him to military school, his early work for his father violating the law to deny blacks apartments and then, when forced to, approving blacks for a few buildings that slumlord Trump allowed to deteriorate, and his tax return for a year where he took a gigantic loss. The WP had extensive coverage of his casinos going bankrupt, his Miss Universe problems etc. Manafort's links to Russian allied Ukrainians was also well documented.
I suspect that if we could look at people who obtained most of their information from the newspapers, we would find that Trump not just less well than HRC, but that he did less well than the typical Republican candidate. This speculation is based on the number of prominent Republicans who said they could not vote for him. TV, radio, and many internet sites did not even pretend to be unbiased.
An additional problem for TV is their concern with the bottom line. In all years since at least 2000, TV cable news and network news had become a "profit center" rather than the traditional cost justified by the prestige brought to the networks. Where newspapers still held to journalistic goals, TV news has become all about ratings. The evening shows - whether on the left (MSNBC) or the right(FOX) - were speaking mostly to their own "base". Trump, the brightly colored clown from reality TV, was given huge blocks of completely unfiltered time to spread his message on every cable station. We watched it and while, many of us complained about the amount of time he got for free, we thought he was so over the top he was destroying any credibility he had.
Let me explain the clown comment - as it was not just name calling. Only after seeing this snarky GQ makeover( http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-presidential-makeover ) after the election did I realize that Trump's look was probably strategic. After the made over Trump looks sort of like the bland Kasich; the badly dressed, gaudy Trump stands out. With the orange face, weird hair, over-sized suit and huge bright red tie he shares something with clowns. A friend of mine, whose grandmother was an early clown with Ringling Brothers explained in a talk that every clown had his or her own "face". It was as if was trademarked. No other clown would copy it and they themselves laboriously recreated their clown persona daily. If all of us were asked to close our eyes and picture Trump, I would bet the image we bring to mind is nearly identical - and it looks like no one we have e=seen in real life.
In Trump's case, he stayed close enough to how a candidate should look, while looking different enough to stand out vs the 16 other Republicans. I suspect that Trump's badly fitting suits, his about 4th grade language, and his simplistic sloganing of messages many already had been sold by the right wing echo chamber, he completely connected with many people who felt alienated from the elite, who they thought looked down on them. This in spite of having grown up richer than any Democratic candidate possibly back to JFK or FDR! (Hillary Clinton certainly was not given a million dollar stake upon graduating from college - later upped to $14 million when that was not enough. Neither were Obama, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter .... ) Yet his supporters perceived him as not of the elite - and his lack of morals and manners likely made that true to some degree. They saw our rejection of Trump as similar to our (supposed) "rejection" of them actually reinforcing their bond with him.
A TV media was concerned with ratings and being entertaining - leading to the outrageous Trump getting endless hours of free coverage. They even covered a Melania speech - essentially a redo of her plagiarized convention speech - live in full on MSNBC in the last month. The problem with most of the TV media is that they LET Trump, already known as a reality tv star, where editing will make a person look better (or worse) than they are - and it was HIS show, have hours to define himself. Even if the rest of the coverage was more realistic and balanced, those hours of self definition were a HUGE finger on the scale.
While Hillary Clinton came into both 2008 and 2016 as likely one of the most known political nominees ever because of her years as first lady, a prominent Senator from day 1 (rare in a body that rewards seniority), and a Secretary of State, you could argue that TV with its seemingly endless coverage of the Trumps defining themselves was paired with balanced TV coverage of HRC. Maybe because HRC was so well known, most of the coverage on her revolved around "news", not biography. There were some biography coverage especially before the convention. The lack of balance on TV could be said to be that Trump, even as he ran for President, was treated as a celebrity and an entertainer, where Clinton was treated pretty much as any previous nominee.
Radio was worse as radio has been progressively more right wing dominated since at least 1996. Other than NPR, which is balanced for the most part (but moving right), almost all of the talk show are right wing. A few years ago, my husband and I drove from Vermont to Florida. Once we were south of DC, the stations became increasingly right wing. We listened in both fascination and horror. Even in VT, we have stations carrying Rush Limbaugh and the other name right wingers and the loathsome, Boston based Howie Carr, who my MA friends had long mentioned. One thing that became obvious is that they RW stations (and FOX) had coordinating messages. The charges (then against Obama) were nearly identical, but put into the style and voice of each of these wing nuts. This allows some to feel that hearing the same thing on multiple sources validates it. The problem is that they are in an echo chamber and the sources are not independent.
Had the above covered all the sources of information, it would still have been daunting to get a fair comparison to most of the country. But, that ignores the right wing internet based sources. I have long been surprised at how many non prime sourced articles appear if I google the name of a Democrat. There were times when list would place something like the daily caller or Breitbart ahead of the NYT, the Washington Post, or (on foreign policy) legitimate foreign press. I was also amazed at how often I saw these same RW sources - and worse - on Twitter when I searched any Democrat to see what the stories were. I now know that many of the tweets I saw were likely from Russian bots. Even though my extended (large) family and friends were all voting for HRC, I did see some of the garbage on Facebook - in response to posts made by others with wider circles arguing for Clinton.
I had actually been naive enough to have thought in 2008 and 2012, that these social media tools were our answer to countering the Republican domination of talk radio. Instead last year, it might be that with their willingness to make things completely up - whether distorting the place of Obama's birth or Kerry's heroic service or concocting a strange pizzagate CT - that those tools were more effective spreading lies, than in correcting them.
yardwork
(61,801 posts)yardwork
(61,801 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,714 posts)is himself. That's why he is asking the question.
mnhtnbb
(31,419 posts)for whether he ever apologized for all kinds of $hit he's dished out...with birtherism right at the top.
Link to tweet
You don't have to be on twitter to read the responses. Just click on the tweet.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)NO.
underpants
(183,051 posts)He gets trashed on his own Tweets constantly
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,419 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)He is a dumbfk
LeftInTX
(25,813 posts)However, it was during the primary.
It has nothing to do with Dump
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)"receiving the answers to the debate".
I received the answers too, both on tv and later written transcript.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,075 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,806 posts)BSdetect
(8,999 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)He's not even able to think up a new one anymore? Hah.
Enoki33
(1,589 posts)Cha
(298,087 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)thesquanderer
(12,001 posts)Even if you basically agree with Trump, (a) she received the questions in advance, not the "answers," and (b) the person who should apologize is the person who provided those questions unsolicited, not the person who received them, and (c) that person did apologize.
Says Donna Brazile:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donna-brazile-finally-admits-giving-debate-questions-clinton-article-1.3002221
and p.s. the person who was arguably wronged wasn't even Trump, it was Sanders. As a court might put it, Trump isn't even the person with standing to ask for such an apology.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)Never happened in the Trump debates. By now, he and all of his followers are convinced Hillary had the questions for all of the debates. Not that any thinking adult cares anymore.
thesquanderer
(12,001 posts)DFW
(54,516 posts)Acceptance.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Suck on that, you Orange Shit-Gibbon.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)But it's from the WORST OF THE WORST animals (I refuse to call those "things" people)!!
Grammy23
(5,815 posts)He thinks (mistakenly) that he can keep rehashing the election to keep on proving that he is worthy of the job. He is neither worthy nor fit for the job but the mental illness that he has apparently had for most of his life drives him to seek love and acceptance. And therein lies the problem. tRump is a sick man, mentally off and incapable of normal human interactions and responses. When I find myself feeling the most anger toward him, I try to remind myself of this fact.
Would we be feeling this angry if he had the usual human physical diseases? I doubt it. But mental illnesses often affect a person's behavior so it is easy to be angry toward that person. I say our anger is misdirected. The people with the power to stop this man apparently did nothing to protect the rest of us from his disordered, seriously flawed thinking. Beginning with his family and later the political powers that be failed to dissuade him from running for office. Now it's the Vice President and Congress who are being derelict in their duties to invoke the 25th amendment. It is no wonder many of the American people are frightened and angry. When the so-called "cooler heads" and the ones with the power to stop this madness do NOTHING, we have every right to feel that way. And if the madman at the top doesn't destroy everything, we should remember who tried to help us and who did nothing come next election.
coco22
(1,258 posts)abounds
Augiedog
(2,550 posts)Initech
(100,150 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,232 posts)Shut the fuck up.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Javaman
(62,540 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)His ego will never be satisfied. Never. Sick little frog.
bdamomma
(63,974 posts)stupid man. I am wondering what Bannon is doing behind the scenes he should not be ignored.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)The one he has now, and probably all of them, are only an accessory--something to accessorize the big ego.
underpants
(183,051 posts)Donna Brazil
Give it a rest. Yes she gave questions to the campaign but they weren't from out of the blue - pretty standard obvious questions.
cilla4progress
(24,802 posts)Seriously. Who knew?
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)Is this the best you can do ? Really ?
nikibatts
(2,198 posts)Hillary knew and knows more about the subjects discussed than anyone who passed on the question topics. 45 is dumber than shit!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)At the townhall held in Flint, Michigan, for goodness sakes. The entire purpose of having the townhall there was to highlight the water crisis. Everyone should have expected that question.
Jonny Appleseed
(960 posts)Essentially:
Donna: Hey this is gonna be asked about in the debate
Hillary: Thanks I'll be sure to brush up on that a bit during my debate prep this evening
WOOOOOOOOW BIGGEST SCANDAL SINCE WATERGATE! PRIMARY STOLEN!
Seriously, stuff like this is so common. You'd have to be purer than a newborn fawn to be a politician and not do something of this level.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Without that email there's no way Hillary would have expected a questions about lead in water at a townhall held in Flint, Michigan.
It's really the stupidest "scandal".
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)When I see him locked inside his own bullshit, I feel quite sorry for him. You can only lie to yourself, because everyone else eventually catches on to all your lies, games, and rackets. Sad
Baitball Blogger
(46,781 posts)nancy1942
(635 posts)Would someone please shut this fool up?
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DinahMoeHum
(21,839 posts)Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)Apparently somebody got stuck on April 1st and is sending out cute little April Fool's Day twitters
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)BuddyCa
(99 posts)UTUSN
(70,793 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)This man is sick. And yes, it is long past time for the 25th Amendment to be put in motion.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Add another item to the long list of "What Trump Actually Did/Does, He Accuses Others of Doing." And my apologies for citing Megyn Kelly.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/305534-megyn-kelly-trump-got-debate-question-in-advance
Megyn Kelly writes that Trump was tipped off about debate question
The Hill
BY JESSIE HELLMANN - 11/10/16
Donald Trump received a question for the first debate of the primary election in advance, Megyn Kelly wrote in her new book.
In "Settle for More," the Fox News anchor writes that Trump had angrily called Fox executives the day before the first GOP debate, saying he had heard that her first question was "a very pointed question directed at him," according to The New York Times.
Kelly would go on to ask Trump about his history of using disparaging language about women, kicking off a feud between the two.
Trump has slammed Hillary Clinton over apparently receiving debate and town hall questions in advance from DNC executive Donna Brazile.
"Why didn't Hillary Clinton announce that she was inappropriately given the debate questions - she secretly used them! Crooked Hillary, Trump tweeted last month.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton even got the questions to a debate, and nobody says a word. Can you imagine if I got the questions?"
Kelly also suggested that someone may have tried to keep her from the debate stage.
On the day of the debate, she wrote, an overzealous driver picked her up to take her to the convention center and insisted on getting her coffee. After she drank it, she felt violently ill, she said, even keeping a trash can under the debate desk.
She never said anyone poisoned her, but did say that she shared the incident with then-Fox News CEO Roger Ailes and a lawyer.