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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHave patience, children....this snowball is rolling downhill.
Everyday is a new story. A new piece of the puzzle is found.
Today, they discovered that General Flynn was registered as a foreign agent. We also discovered that the investigation for the server in Trump Tower is still going on. The Director of the FBI met with the Gang of Eight to give them updated information.
And more information came out on Trump emissary, Carter Page, who worked for Merrill Lynch in Moscow.
But there is no stopping a snowball rolling downhill unless it hits a tree or something?
This scandal has a life all its own. There is no stopping it or covering it up. Tomorrow will be something new. Another piece of the puzzle will fall in place.
Have patience.
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)A lot has been uncovered in a short amount of time; we who pay probably way too much attention think it's a snail's pace, but it's not.
dt should never haved pissed off journalists, and I'm loving the results. Granted, they have a lot of material to work with.
And of course props to Rachel, daily.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)He gives it to Trump on a daily basis.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)Don't piss people off that buy ink by the barrel!
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)made under Obama
it is like taking a list of all that Obama accomplished and blotus throwing a dart at it to see what to fuck up today
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)we are going to lose
Cary
(11,746 posts)babylonsister
(171,056 posts)If he goes, it's logical to think that his legal transgressions (what has he done yet?) can be rolled back.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Somehow I don't think so.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)I am not scared. What I am is resolute!
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)furtheradu
(1,865 posts)We need this!💖
furtheradu
(1,865 posts)Don't You doubt it. I know You're exhausted, weary, despondent, but keep the Faith. Take goood Care of YourSelf, resist when /where You can, but KNOW this weirdness is temporary.It appears overwhelming, that's an illusion. The Goood will out, Love & TRUTH will prevail. Believe it!💖
& don't give YourSelf a hard time for feeling helpless or hopeless .. just hold on, as You go through it.THAT will pass.
Goood is happening, even if we don't see it yet. YOU have some goood Karma coming, You created *blankets* of LOVE for others..& BLESSED the World! BELIEVE IT.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I wasn't seeking Karma, I was filling a need.
your words helped my soul. For that I thank you.
furtheradu
(1,865 posts)..when they see a need, with no other intention than to meet the need. I know that about You, others know that about You, too. We just need to keep our Hearts in the right place, take goood Care of ourSelves, & help others when we can. stay STRONG & stay sweeet!
calimary
(81,198 posts)Gotta keep hope up, for sure. Because it IS discouraging when we think of what we're up against. The bad guys already built a wall. Protectively around every CON representative because of his/her gerrymandered district. Strategic deceit and stealth - smooth talkin' campaign speeches and literature to back it up - so you really do NOT know what the candidate's about... until it's too late. An infrastructure boosted by big business that can donate avalanches of money (money: long described as the mother's milk of politics).
They've been working on this for more than 40 years.
THE POWELL MEMO (also known as the Powell Manifesto)
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/
The Powell Memo was first published August 23, 1971
Introduction
In 1971, Lewis Powell, then a corporate lawyer and member of the boards of 11 corporations, wrote a memo to his friend Eugene Sydnor, Jr., the Director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The memorandum was dated August 23, 1971, two months prior to Powells nomination by President Nixon to the U.S. Supreme Court.
The Powell Memo did not become available to the public until long after his confirmation to the Court. It was leaked to Jack Anderson, a liberal syndicated columnist, who stirred interest in the document when he cited it as reason to doubt Powells legal objectivity. Anderson cautioned that Powell might use his position on the Supreme Court to put his ideas into practice
in behalf of business interests.
Though Powells memo was not the sole influence, the Chamber and corporate activists took his advice to heart and began building a powerful array of institutions designed to shift public attitudes and beliefs over the course of years and decades. The memo influenced or inspired the creation of the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the Cato Institute, Citizens for a Sound Economy, Accuracy in Academe, and other powerful organizations. Their long-term focus began paying off handsomely in the 1980s, in coordination with the Reagan Administrations hands-off business philosophy.
Most notable about these institutions was their focus on education, shifting values, and movement-building a focus we share, though often with sharply contrasting goals.*
http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/
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furtheradu
(1,865 posts)Great link, post. I am actually a member since early days, with a new username, but I have admired Your posts thru the years! Truly appreciate Your kind 'welcome', tho!
& sorry I didn't reply sooner, rough few days in rl!😒
Ps also really enjoyed another recent post of Yours, about Your activism & political experiences. Can't locate it now, but it made me go "WooHOO!" &
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)kentuck
(111,076 posts)By March 20th, we could be back to 1932...
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)kentuck
(111,076 posts)about this investigation.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)And yes the snowball grows as it goes downhill. All good things come to those who wait.
mcar
(42,300 posts)We as a nation are in uncharted territory. I agree with you and pundits who say that the system will deal with this.
It may take some time. In the meantime,
mwooldri
(10,302 posts)There will be casualties.
March 4th
(80 posts)Why is this good man on FOX?
Skittles
(153,142 posts)I too do not understand why he stays on Fox News
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)We will quickly find out who is a powerful man and who is a crying baby with tiny tweety fingers
FakeNoose
(32,626 posts)but I don't believe I could EVER root for Rupert Murdoch. He's been too evil for too long.
The best I could hope for is they bring each other down.
Just sayin'
spanone
(135,816 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I can't think of another story that has gotten so much attention and led nowhere (I suppose you could say Benghazi but that wasn't as big in scope and was obvious crap from the beginning).
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)there is no such thing as an over-hyped nothing burger in Politics. There are scandals that are TRUE, and there are scandals that AREN'T true, but have almost the same political effect as if they were.
But this is not one of the latter. AT BEST The Trump Administration and the GOP benefited from a Russian attack on our political system, and so the governing Party is in power thanks to an assist from a hostile foreign power. In normal times, that would be a HUGE scandal, and that's only the best case scenario. The worst case scenario, of course, is that Trump and a lot of other republicans were complicit in treason.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and of course they will ignore this much bigger more important scandal as long as they can.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I've never seen so much fishy shit that didn't add up to a major scandal anywhere else.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but we still have the issue of whether the GOP will handle it or not.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,754 posts)Your calm attitude shows in your writing. Much needed
"Keep your eyes on the prize, hold on."
mchill
(1,017 posts)you wouldn't know there is a problem except the damn dams in California. They are the only topic du jour. (My Congressman is a rice farmer Doug LaMalfa and needs water for his subsidized farm.)
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)giving all the Republicans in Congress plenty of opportunity to get entangled in it. Entangled in the attempted coverups etc. Right now they're trying to ram their legislative agenda through as fast as possible so Trump can sign all the bills, and THEN he can be impeached for all they care. In fact, he can take all the resentment over the repeal of Obamacare WITH him. That's part of their plan. But the way things are going, he may not be around long enough to sign their bills!
So, I'd like for it to go on for awhile, giving the Republicans in Congress lots of time to get entangled in the coverups etc., and then they can go down with the Captain of their ship.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)(As in stomach constitution)
It probably helps to deal with this crap. It isn't going to go away quickly anyway.
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)It's not very pleasant, but maybe we need him to flush all the s#!t out of Congress.
LeftInTX
(25,224 posts)randr
(12,409 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)malaise
(268,903 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I'm gonna need a whole lot more Xanax.
mac56
(17,566 posts)Desert grandma
(804 posts)Democrats take over at least one of the branches of Congress, so that a President Pence will be stopped in his effort to implement a right wing agenda by a large enough majority in one of the branches (or both!) to stop him cold.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)By doing so, Trump and his staff may be violating federal record keeping laws.
By Marina Fang
WASHINGTON ― When President Donald Trump or a member of his staff deletes a tweet, they may be violating federal law, two top congressmen warned the White House this week.
Reps. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) and Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), chairman and ranking member of the House Oversight Committee, sent a letter to White House counsel Don McGahn on Wednesday expressing concerns about the Trump administrations record keeping habits and its nontransparent use of social media and other forms of electronic communication.
One example the lawmakers cited is Trumps habit of misspelling and then deleting tweets, which they warned could pose a violation to the Presidential Records Act if the deleted tweets are not archived.
Many of the messages sent from these accounts are likely to be presidential records and therefore must be preserved, they wrote, referring to both Trumps personal @realDonaldTrump account and his official @POTUS account. It has been reported, however, that President Trump has deleted tweets, and if those tweets were not archived, it could pose a violation of the Presidential Records Act, Chaffetz and Cummings wrote in the letter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tweets-archived_us_58c1a8d3e4b0d1078ca51126
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)there could be civil unrest.
Laffy Kat
(16,376 posts)There IS a silver lining to this mess. We are organizing and gaining strength and numbers and action. I have to keep repeating that to myself.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)But the idea of dismantling or weakening our culture and gov't by means of budget cuts is concerning.
Then you have all these members of the admin or Trump campaign that met with the Russians but don't claim to remember what they were talking about.
I don't want to be like one of the "Fema Campers" or tin foil hatters on the right, but so much stuff is weird. Like you know how dems always went out of their way to be "tough on communisim" or "tough on crime" to neutralize the GOP? Trump and them are doing the opposite. It really plays into the narrative a lot of stuff they have done.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)Trump and his flotsam seem to be merrily tearing down the government without a care in the world.
Will this thing ever have enough weight to come crashing down on their party before they dismantle too much to be restored?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)I'm growing more and more disgusted with each new day and I don't like where my mind is going.
triron
(21,995 posts)Vinca
(50,258 posts)Last week Obama was called out as a felon. Who'll he go after this week?
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)EPA protections are GONE, Federal lands will go back to those who will rape them, LGBTQ rights will be regressed and possibly destroyed, and America's infra structure will continue to rot. And not to mention our standing in the eyes of the world has deteriorated greatly. Russia has infiltrated our government and threatens our democracy. This in just under two months. How much longer can we wait? Can the damage be repaired, and how long would it take to reverse it?
It is hard to be patient. And even at the "end" of it, will we have President Pence or Ryan?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)I'm thinking 4-5 million people and civil disobedience.
madokie
(51,076 posts)of the two buzzards setting on the tree limb with one saying to the other, Patience my ass I'm gonna kill something, comes to mind when I read this
But you are so right its patience we need at this point in time.
littlemissmartypants
(22,631 posts)When was the last time we attacked ourselves from within. We are either in the scariest times in U S HISTORY or the dumbest. I am trying to decide.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)is going to roll over Congress and the Justice Department to an independent investigation.
Texin
(2,594 posts)providing they can come to agreement to actually, you know, DO SOMETHING about this. They and just about every informed individual around knows that this cabal has been up to no good, and they know with whom they've been colluding and collaborating. They would have to decide to DO something and I don't think they have the political will to do that. I still maintain that they are using tRump as political "cover" to inoculate themselves from the eventual backlash and blowback when everything begins to go all to hell over their economic and political agenda. They can use him to get things done using the excuse now that he's got (some) populist support out there in the boons, and when the boondock cretins begin to feel how bad things are, they may - not a given, but they may - begin to turn on this assclown, the rest of the GOP will follow. They can investigate him and turn him over to the U.S. Justice Dept. for prosecution after impeachment and subsequent removal in the Senate. Until the tide really begins to turn within the reliable GOP voters out in the bergs and the results of polls begin to show dwindling support for the continued agenda and the results of their ongoing actions at that time, then the GOP can blame him for all the problems in the hope of saving themselves. But the damage they can wreak in the interim is staggering to contemplate - and they've already done plenty.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,169 posts)If Trump eventually gets impeached, Pence takes over as President. And the backwards march goes on. Trump was only the crazy pied piper that lured all the rats and deplorables towards the GOP.
They never would have won that Presidency, or done so well in other races without Trump running and telling their voters that the swamp would be drained of the establishment including the historically low rated Congress, those same establishment GOP would not be in the drivers seat now. . They probably would have lost the Senate. And of course the SCOTUS pick.
They knew he was unfit for office, but did whatever they had to to get him elected once he won the primaries. Even help work with Putin. Use Comey. Along with their usual scams of Crosscheck, and polling hours, and gerrymandering.
When Trump finally is impeached and is stripped of power, everyone will breathe a big sigh of relief because the madman is gone. But the extreme right wing will still be running the country and changing it for as long as they can get away with it. But the MSM will treat Pence, and all the Republicans as sane saviours. I can see it now. Its so predictable.
The point being that some of the more radical outlandish policies may be abandoned along with Trump, like the Wall, and perhaps they'll be a more orderly immigration policy, but nothing else much will be different. In fact as far as the LGBTQ community and women's rights groups, and BLM etc...goes, Pence may be worse. And yet Pence would have never had a chance against Hillary (or Bernie) in a general election.
They should by all rights have a new election, especially if there is proof of McConnell and others in the GOP actually working with the Russians as well. But we know that won't happen, and they know it won't happen. They win with or without Drumpf
benld74
(9,904 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Every avalanche started as a small snowball rolling downhill . . . gathering more snowflakes . . . until:
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)On the Road
(20,783 posts)https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-really-was-a-liberal-media-bubble/
Is there any sign the Democratic Party is out of this bubble now? Seems to be an awful lot of doubling down. When that is done with a greatly reduced moral authority, the expectation should not be very good.
Doodley
(9,078 posts)are shared with a majority. It needs to double down, and do so forcibly.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)Donald could make an Oval Office Address tomorrow pleading allegiance to Russia/Putin and the republicans would praise him for his diplomacy. We already know that Sessions and Rosenstein are refusing to do anything.
But yea, snowballs.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)to press for the impeachment of Donald J Trump.
briv1016
(1,570 posts)and implicate half of his administration?
kentuck
(111,076 posts)No need to try. It's doomed to fail?
If we thought everything was going to level off and this was going to be a "normal" Presidency, and Donald Trump would not continue to be up to his eyeballs in scandal, then I might agree with you.
Otherwise, plant the seed now. Immediately.
Doodley
(9,078 posts)thucythucy
(8,043 posts)gutting the Americans with Disabilities Act, castrating the EPA, undoing anything approaching reasonable financial regulation, selling out our national security, destroying whatever good standing we have around the world, and shoveling shitloads of tax dollars into right wing coffers.
I see your point, but I can hardly muster up the "patience" I'll need as I see my friends and loved ones go under the knife.