Sanders to Perez: 'The same-old, same-old is not working'

[Talk Is Cheap]

The Hill

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Saturday congratulated former Labor Secretary Tom Perez on becoming the new chairman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

"I congratulate Tom Perez on his election as chairman of the Democratic National Committee and look forward to working with him," Sanders said in a statement.

"At a time when Republicans control the White House, the U.S. House, U.S. Senate and two-thirds of all statehouses, it is imperative that Tom understands that the same-old, same-old is not working and that we must open the doors of the party to working people and young people in a way that has never been done before," the lawmaker added.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/news/321194-sanders-congratulated-perez-on-dnc-chairmanship

Of course, Senator Sanders is correct. We need to really 'go for it' and do everything we can for the 99%. We have to be BOLD and give Americans something to vote FOR.

[Cary]

1. Indeed

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Out with the old. Sowing discord and discontent. Gee, who would have thunk that this isn't a good idea?

Well maybe now Bernie will stop sowing discord and discontent.

[nolabear]

2. His lecturing wears me out.

Just once I'd like to hear "How can I help?" Sure, stick to principles but don't treat the Democratic Chair like a child.

[yallerdawg]

4. Hey, remember!

He does lobby with the Democrats - and if he had won the primary he might have become one!

[MelissaB]

50. Yeah. He was out campainging for a Democrat today...

[DURHAM D]

202. Who? Where?

[George II]

129. He caucuses with the Democrats, not lobbies. And he's already registered for re-election....

...as an Independent.

[Buddyblazon]

181. He pulled 7000 people today in Topeka...

Fundraising for the Kansas Democrats.

Check yourself.

[Talk Is Cheap]

5. I would say...

...Senator Sanders works every day for Democratic values.

[brer cat]

49. Bernie didn't invent Democratic values,

he doesn't own them, nor does he always practice them. His arrogance in lecturing Tom Perez is appalling. Bernie lost, and the majority of Democrats don't give a rat's ass what he thinks.

[DURHAM D]

67. Amen.

I saw the tweet earlier today and could not miss the condescension.

I think Keith would of had a better chance of winning if BS had not turned it into a proxy fight with Obama/Clinton.

[nolabear]

95. I agree. You have to figure out how to work together with respect.

Too much hard-lining imo.

[EffieBlack]

92. Hear, hear

I am so over his sanctimonious "I alone am the keeper of Democratic principles but am too good to join the party" posturing.

[Larkspur]

109. This Democrat agrees with Bernie

Perez represents the Democratic wing that raised a billion dollars against Trump and lost the WH. It is also the wing that drove the Party into national minority status.

Perez is an uninspiring pick for DNC Chair.

[shenmue]

127. Amen

[OnionPatch]

128. A large percentage of Democrats DO care about what he thinks.

Maybe not the majority but a whole lot of them, especially the youth, the future of the party.

[brer cat]

132. The future of the Democratic Party

is people of color. Tom Perez is the right person at the right time, and he doesn't need a lecture from Bernie or his supporters on what he needs to do.

[OnionPatch]

203. I find this attitude very dismissive

of a whole big segment of Democrats.

FYI, I'm 57 years old and a lifelong Democrat who has often been active for the party. It's pretty insulting to be told my opinion doesn't count.

[brer cat]

238. Who is telling you your opinion doesn't count?

There are certainly some progressives who don't consider any opinion that doesn't toe a certain line to be valid, but that isn't what I think. Opinions from other Democrats are always welcome. However, I certainly do make a clear distinction between expressing opinions and condescending, finger-wagging lectures, especially from people who are not members of the Democratic Party. Tom Perez is an adult, demonstrably capable of managing the job to which he was elected. He does not need or deserve to have to listen to a disrespectful rant from anyone telling him how to do his job. I think that is pretty insulting.

[OnionPatch]

250. I don't see Bernies comments as condescending.

I think he just wants to make sure the issues his supporters (who are many) care about are going to be represented.

The hatred for Bernie on this site is nauseating.

[brer cat]

251. So was the hatred for President Obama

and Hillary.

[OnionPatch]

252. Two people I admire very much.

At least they can be mentioned here in a post without someone bashing them within five minutes.

[Buddyblazon]

182. Except for those 7000 in Topeka yesterday...

When he was fundraising for the Kansas Democrats.

[Kahuna7]

188. +1000

[Plucketeer]

113. Your post count seems to indicate you're new here

Let me share what I've learned in the past few years. Be VERY, VERY careful of lauding Senator Sander's efforts. His efforts during the primaries drew THE biggest crowds anyone has seen in recent times. But that means NOTHING. Even tho Sanders caucuses with the Dems every time, his attempt at delivering a populist enticement (as opposed to a corporate come-on) is why we have Trump in the White House. Just be very careful of making Sanders look good. It's a sure way to get posts pulled and ultimately lose your privileges here.

[m-lekktor]

125. Exactly. nt

[Talk Is Cheap]

211. I would think anybody fighting for the people is a good thing...

[synergie]

152. As do all the members of the party his followers attack viciously on a daily basis,

it's weird how he said he'd stay a Dem and then just forgot that he and his staff said that.

[George II]

192. Please define the "Democratic values" that you're talking about. Thanks.

[Talk Is Cheap]

213. Democratic values:

It's in the Dem platform. But basically, I see Dem values like what FDR did, which is having a successful healthy and prosperous middleclass. It's all about the people...

How about you?

[George II]

218. Ah, the same Democratic platform upon which the last election was based. So, you're bashing....

....the Democratic Party for not living up to "Democratic values" yet use the Democratic platform to illustrate what those values are.

My head is spinning!

[Talk Is Cheap]

220. Bashing the Dem party?

Quite the stretch there George...

[George II]

222. "bashing" / "criticizing"

[George II]

224. "bashing" / "criticizing". Pick one. Now please address the inconsistency I pointed out. Thanks.

[Talk Is Cheap]

225. Please show where I bashed or criticized the Dem Party...

[George II]

228. You're still ducking the point of my post. Let's leave semantics and address your inconsistencies.

[Talk Is Cheap]

230. You accused me of 'bashing the Dem party'...

You need to justify your statement before anything else.

[randome]

10. Too bad he can't fix the Independent party.

Oh, wait, there really isn't one, is there? Well, I have some advice for Sanders: join up or shut up. Must be nice to have the advantages of being a Democrat without having to commit to anything.

[aikoaiko]

54. Sen Schumer invited Bernie on to the Leadership Team.

He's a bonafide Democratic leader with the gravitas to speak to this issue.

https://democrats.senate.gov/leadership/#.WLJC-pI8KhA

[G_j]

186. That's the ticket

so helpful. Nevermind answering, you made your point.
Enjoy your poison.

[ladjf]

257. Here are some highlights for his speech today:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/27/1638312/-Bernie-in-Kansas-Despair-Is-Not-an-Option

Check these ideas out. You might not want him to "shut up".

[NurseJackie]

24. He was insulting to Perez. Treating him like a child. Like he was incompetent and unqualified.

Sanders owes Perez an apology.

[otohara]

35. Only If You're A Purist

then he and his people will lend a hand.

I swear they are already on DemExit part II over on Twitter.

They've turned on Ellison too now I guess.

[ananda]

40. Just remember ..

If the Dems had had a 50-state strategy and a movement
like Our Revolution, we wouldn't need any advice or
admonishments!

Now I hope we do have a strong 50-state strategy, and btw,

Sanders is absolutely right!

[EffieBlack]

93. What did Sanders do pre-2016 to help develop a 50-state strategy?

[bravenak]

97. Great question!

[Starry Messenger]

100. Ding!

[JustAnotherGen]

126. Thank you

[PatrynXX]

72. nothing changes here :(

face palm

calm down kids

[juxtaposed]

79. you can always turn the channel, and stick with what has not worked in the recent past.

Your choice.

[mwooldri]

81. Sanders is a Democrat in all but name.

In my book better than some Democrats in name only.

[zentrum]

84. All Bernie ever does

....is help us, the ordinary, non-corporate people. His organizing to gain elections in small local seats is what the Party in fact has neglected for two decades. And they are all Democratic candidates.

[EffieBlack]

91. That would be a nice new twist from him, wouldn't it?

[ladjf]

256. If I had been elected to the Chair of the DNC, I would have welcomed and appreciated Senator

Sander's sage advice. I would not have thought of his comments as being a "lecture" nor would I have felt a need for an apology.

[JNelson6563]

3. I agree. Maybe Bernie will join the party soon?

Instead of tossing in remarks from the outside...

[redstatebluegirl]

6. Yes!

[Talk Is Cheap]

7. Sanders is actually 'tossing remarks' from the 'inside'...

Senator Sanders is a (now) well known and always a fighter for Democratic principles in the Senate and caucuses with the Dems...

[randome]

12. Anyone can say they support 'Democratic principles'.

Without bothering to join the team. Sort.of like parents telling the coaches of their 6th grade daughter's soccer team what they're doing wrong.

[Talk Is Cheap]

14. Look at his voting record...

And decades of public service serving the 99%.

[randome]

18. No. I won't. If he won't walk the talk, then I won't listen to him.

He wants to be independent then that's what he is: not part of the Democratic Party. He can vote however the hell he wants but the days of him trying to control us are long gone.

[Talk Is Cheap]

23. He is not trying to 'controlling us'

He is fighting for the people... I know, ick....

[randome]

25. That so sounds like hyperbolic hero worship.

He can work all he wants and I welcome that. But he needs to shut the hell up about things he knows nothing about. Specifically, the Democratic Party.

It's time for Democrats to unite and stop letting outsiders have their cake and eat it too.

[Talk Is Cheap]

29. You must support Senator Manchin then - right?

And no, Senator Sanders, in my world, can speak as loud and often as he can!

You see, I am a believer in TR/FDR/JFK Democrats!

[Cary]

53. So work to replace Manchin with someone better

No one is stopping you.

[BainsBane]

85. TR was a Republican

and FDR and JFK are hardly the same sort of Democrat, other than they were both born into great wealth and both presided over Jim Crow.

[Talk Is Cheap]

210. TR was very progressive...

FDR transformed America. JFK was cut down to early in life but was a great man and president.

[BainsBane]

212. He formed the Progressive Party after being shut out of the Republican nomination

There is no such thing as a TR Democrat.

The Progressive era: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

[Talk Is Cheap]

214. Like I said, he was very progressive...

And that is a good thing. That is why I included TR.

[bravenak]

217. And TR was very racist against Native americans....

[JHan]

31. he's not the only person fighting for the people..

He isn't Saint Sanders of Fighting For the People.

He was lecturing, it was unnecessary.

But I can let it fly, and I'm sure Tom wouldn't think of responding in kind.

[JustAnotherGen]

183. Lecturing with his finger wagging

[pangaia]

55. He does, actually, walk the talk.

[BainsBane]

86. Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

[Buddyblazon]

184. He drew 7000 in Topeka yesterday...

Fundraising for the Kansas Democrats.

Check yourself.

[DURHAM D]

201. LOL

That is a "Trump" number.

He had a good crowd but it was about half that number.

[JNelson6563]

15. No, he is not a Democrat.

Yes, he works with the party, loves to criticize the party but he is not a member of the party. Unless he needs to be for a nomination or something. Never understood the halfway in mindset. I'm in for a penny, in for a pound. Always have been. Not a halfway kind of girl.

[Talk Is Cheap]

19. Did not say he 'is a Democrat'...

I'm guessing that you completely agree and support a Democrat like Manchin...?

[bravenak]

21. Why would you make that guess? That's ridiculous.

[Talk Is Cheap]

215. I say that because he has a "D" after his name...

And that seems to be the only thing that matters here on this forum - right?

[bravenak]

216. It matters alot that he can get elected in his state as a DEM

[Cary]

56. Deflection

[George II]

208. You've been doing a lot of "guessing" and speculating here.

[Talk Is Cheap]

209. I can't read minds...

So, I have to rely on people's post... and the truth....and the facts...

[Chasstev365]

34. He's a hell of a lot more a democrat than the blue dogs!

[Hekate]

145. Blue Dog Dems represent the people who sent them to Congress, not Vermont....

That's how it works, Chasstev365. My Democratic Congressman represents my district. He doesn't represent Vermont. Our issues are really different from those of Vermont. My Congressman is not a Blue Dog, but he sure isn't an old white man from 3,000 miles away, either.

I know it's hard, but the Dem Party is a big tent, and each district is different. It would help if Bernie would behave like a friend who likes the rest of us and not like a cranky old neighbor who can't admit that anyone else can do anything competently.

[burrowowl]

71. I would say he is an FDR Democrate

and not a Dino!

[Hekate]

147. You mean he countenances the internment of nonwhite Americans and their immigrant families...

...because we are at war and jingoism is at an all-time high?

FDR is one of my heroes, too, but the amount of fantasizing about him that goes on here is more than a little dismaying. He was far from perfect. The difference between heroes and saints is that heroes are all-too-fallible human beings who nevertheless manage to do great deeds that benefit many people.

If FDR were alive today, I shudder to think what fault would be found with him at DU.

[Buddyblazon]

185. Did you really just go after a Jewish man...

Purporting he was for Japanese American internment? Did you really just go there?

[Hekate]

229. What bull. When someone writes that a person is "an FDR Dem" with such breathless adoration...

...it makes me a bit sarcastic.

What exactly about FDR makes him the be-all and end-all of the values of Democratic values of the 21st Century? And what exactly about the current Senator makes him the be-all and end-all of New Deal values?

I've said not one word about Sanders's religion or ethncity -- nor about FDR's. They are both fallible human beings, not saviors. One of them achieved greatness in his lifetime.

[Demsrule86]

17. He should join the party.

[theglammistress]

37. He needs to join the party

Put the D behind his name. Period.

[Talk Is Cheap]

48. Why is that an absolute requirement?

[aikoaiko]

51. Bernie is 1 of 11 Senators on the Dem Leadership team.

He is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing.

https://democrats.senate.gov/leadership/#.WLJC-pI8KhA

[delisen]

115. You mean make gratuitous remarks? He should take a lesson from Perez n/t

[juxtaposed]

80. maybe the party needs to join sanders.

[EffieBlack]

99. Good Lord

[juxtaposed]

104. LoL! what does your goo! lord have to do with my post?

[JNelson6563]

114. No, it's e pluribus unum

Not the other way around.

Back when I officially threw in with the Dems it was because I wanted to help make it better and I couldn't do that from the outside. I joined the effort and had great, productive adventures from there. All those who have recently come into politics in my world simply take for granted all the established things that came into being in those days. It was amazing really. None of it would've happened if I hadn't stepped up, joined and gotten busy.

Just sayin'.

[juxtaposed]

119. not sure what you are saying? e pluribus unum,, I like labor omnia vincit, also SISU

[ciaobaby]

131. So True - but it will never happen

The hate for Bernie on this site is really very sad.

[nolabear]

96. And I'd be good with that!

[Dream Girl]

8. He reminds me of my uncle before he died. Always going on and on. Telling people what

They should be doing. He was a real pain in the ass.

[Talk Is Cheap]

13. Wow...

Not a very positive post for a Senator working every day for the 99%..

[Cary]

58. Ha!

If your measure of the man is that he votes with Democrats 99% of the time, then how do you reconcile your disaffection with the Democratic Party?

Anyone else see cognitive dissonance?

[Talk Is Cheap]

68. My disaffection with the Dem Party?

Talk about deflection....

[Cary]

74. Enlighten me then

You chastise us for being "Third Way," "corporatist," or whatever.

I am confused. I have no idea when or how I became any of these things. I love my Senators, Dick Durbin and Tammy Duckworth. I love my representative, Jan Shakowsky.

I would vote with them 100% of the time. Yet radical leftists pepper us with these epithets and chastise us for not being something or another.

Bernie is ok, but I don't get the cult of personality and I really don't get whatever your point is here, especially if your measure is that he votes with my people 99% of the time. Why wouldn't you stop the nonsense and just be.one of us, period?

[Talk Is Cheap]

223. None of my posts use the phrases "Third Way," "corporatist," or whatever'

Transference?

[Cary]

232. I asked to be enlighten, not for an amateur psycho babble diagnosis

You may not have used those exact words, in your current incarnation, but I'm sure you have because you have said as much in substance. And it doesn't matter. You have not refuted my point or given me any confidence that you're the least bit interested in reaching out beyond your ideological bubble.

I am a mainstream Democrat. You have an agenda that will never see the light of day with an insistance on ideological purity. And I make my suggestion based on my admission that I don't understand your ideological purity. It makes no sense to me. I am just looking to move forward instead of backward.

[Talk Is Cheap]

233. My 'ideological purity' just happens to be what the majority of Americans want...

And that is exactly why I continue to fight for Democratic principles because
there are people who say that my "agenda that will never see the light of day".
Once again, the things I fight for are what a MAJORITY of AMERICANS want.

May I suggest that you have a more 'ideological purity' than I do...

[azmom]

9. yesssssssss! Thank you Bernie. Nt

[jalan48]

11. Thank you Bernie!

[LexVegas]

16. Leave Bernie. You're the same old same old. nt

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

57. A-freaking-men

And why do we need so many threads about he who must not be named? You don't see a dozen new damn threads started about Hillary every day. I am SO turned off with that it's not even funny. I wish he would just go away.

[progressoid]

69. He's old, but he's not the same.

[ladjf]

258. You might be interested in some of the things he said today in Kansas City.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/27/1638312/-Bernie-in-Kansas-Despair-Is-Not-an-Option

[bravenak]

20. So tired of hearing him natter on and on...

[Talk Is Cheap]

22. Well, a huge amount of Dems wanted him to be president...

That's not a trait of a 'natter'...

[bravenak]

27. Yes it is. I don't care how many wanted him.

I wanted somebody too and I didn't get what I wanted either. I hope we learned our lesson and only let actual democrats run in the future

[randome]

30. And he lost by a huge margin, too.

Since you want to bring up the primary again.

[MelissaB]

52. Are you tired of him working for Dems like he was today?

Or do you just hate everything about him even though he supports the Democratic party?

[bravenak]

61. I'm tired of him insulting us and attacking us.

If he can dish he can take....

[BainsBane]

75. How did he work for Dems today?

Enlighten me.

[MelissaB]

116. He spoke to Kansas Dems today.

Not that that will ever be good enough.

He works with Dems, raises money for them, and supports them, but I'm guessing that none of that matters.

[BainsBane]

122. Raises money?

Do you mean back before his presidential run, when he headlined big dollar fundraising retreats On Palm Beach and Martha's Vineyard? Or are you speaking about recently?

[pnwmom]

94. That was a very back-handed way of showing support.

Undercutting him with condescending advice wrapped up in a show of support.

[murielm99]

107. This is just the kind of support he gave Hillary.

And in her case, it was lukewarm, too little, too late.

I hope this fight is over now. It was just a proxy war, an excuse to use Perez and Ellison and stand-ins to re-fight the primary. We have to be unified, and get on with our battles against trump and taking back Congress.

[pnwmom]

111. Afraid so. nt

[MelissaB]

117. LOL!

He spoke the truth.

[mcar]

112. How is lecturing the newly elected DNC chair working for Dems?

[lapucelle]

26. Proffering olive branches to Trump while slapping them out

of Perez's hand is not a good way to mend the breach.

[EffieBlack]

102. Lectures us about why we must kiss Trump voters' asses ... while constantly insulting loyal Democrat

He really needs to get in or out.

[CousinIT]

28. He is right. I've seen some people lambasting him for his comments - but the man is right. n/t

[50 Shades Of Blue]

33. +1

[ciaobaby]

135. +1

[lapucelle]

196. Today was not the day to send that second tweet.

Today was a good day for Democrats. There was no reason to shit on it. Sanders played right into the divisive narrative that the media and the Republicans are pimping about our party.

The day belonged to Perez and Ellison. The day was about "stronger together". Democrats were happy that seems to be new light on the horizon in the person of Pete Buttigieg. Sanders stepped on all of it to make the day about himself.

[Gothmog]

36. I have trouble caring what Sanders has to say

[Talk Is Cheap]

39. How come?

Do you not agree with Democratic principles?

[Gothmog]

45. I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention

Having sanders delegates yell obscenities to my daughter because she betrayed her generation colors my feelings. Sanders did nothing to control his delegates and stopped his state chairs from removing Sanders delegates who engaged in such conduct.

[Talk Is Cheap]

47. I'm guessing Clinton supporters did the same thing...?

Everyone has stories to tell...

[Gothmog]

62. You are totally wrong and your post is offensive and wrong

Each candidate had the right to vet their delegates and all of the Clinton delegates were carefully vetted. I know this because I helped vet my state's Clinton's delegates. Sanders did not vet his delegates at all except to remove one duly elected delegate at the Texas state convention because that delegate would not say that he hated Hillary Clinton. There were some Sanders delegates in my state's delegation who had some real issues. We moved some female delegates away from one delegate because he came to hitting one of the female delegates on the third night. At the last night of the convention, this delegate was so upset that he was vibrating and ripped his shirt into pieces in an attempt to get attention. The Sanders delegate chair would not remove or revoke this delegate's credentials because sanders would not respond to his request.

A number of the younger Sanders delegates marched in together with locked arms to demand that the Clinton delegates condemn Clinton and vote for Sanders. That did not go over well. I guess by your standards we were mean for not respecting the feelings of the sanders delegates who thought that if they held their breath they could change the outcome.

Your claim about Clinton delegates is truly wrong and offensive. I was there. You were not.

[Talk Is Cheap]

64. Like I said, everyone has their stories...

[Gothmog]

66. At least I was there

Where are you getting your so-called stories?

[George II]

123. Bingo!

[SaschaHM]

138. Please appeal your hides. It's insane that you are getting censored.

[Gothmog]

240. Thank you for the encouragment

My appeals were successful

Your post was appreciated.

[George II]

243. Congratulations, although you shouldn't have had to be in a position to be congratulated.

[Gothmog]

244. I was happy to see the system work

[Gothmog]

239. Again what are your sources? Do you know anyone who was actually there

In any event. I am very happy that Tom Perez is the new DNC chair

[Chasstev365]

38. When a racist, sexist, billionaire can beat you with a fake Populist message

There's a BIG problem! BERNIE IS CORRECT!

[Talk Is Cheap]

41. Well said...

And spot on...

[chwaliszewski]

73. Truth!

[BainsBane]

77. Populism is by its vey nature at least partially fake

and Clinton never adopted that tactic. Populists rely on charisma and sometimes demagoguery to advance themselves without fundamentally challenging the structural inequality of capitalism.
Clinton is a traditional liberal. She never pretended to be a folk hero.

[NurseJackie]

205. She was truthful and trusted in the intelligence of the voter. Her opponent was ...

... a liar who depended on the gullibility of voters. (I also believe the media failed the public as well.)



Hello alerter: Of course I'm referring to Trump.

[nolabear]

101. When you never had to account for yourself you can remain a fantasy.

Maybe Bernie would have made a difference and maybe not. But he needs to work with people, not consescend.

[ciaobaby]

134. So True - but it will always be Bernies fault here.

[Hekate]

148. Then why did Hillary get 3,000,000 more votes than Trump? Three. Million. More.

[uponit7771]

189. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit FUD is tryi

Lol

[Gothmog]

245. Russia and FBI helped trump a great deal

[johnp3907]

42. Mr. "No"-It-All.

[randome]

44. "Only I know how to fix your party. Now get to it while I sit over here."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

157. This🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝

[uponit7771]

190. +1

[NurseJackie]

226. That ... is perfect!

Thank you.

[Hekate]

231. ..."And tell you how you are doing it all wrong."

[Hekate]

43. Just for one day can Bernie say something nice about the members of the party he refuses to join?

[StubbornThings]

234. You mean the losing party that continues to do the same thing every time and still expects to win?

You talking about that party.

[Hekate]

235. The standard bearer for MY party won both the primary (on votes) and the GE by THREE MILLION OVER DT

"That party," indeed. "The losing party," indeed.

Hillary Clinton got 3,000,000 more votes than the Trojan Horse. Do not blame her for this loss.

"Every time"? Screw that noise. We elected Barack Obama in the two elections prior.

Facts are stubborn things -- you might give some more thought to your conclusions.

[StubbornThings]

237. You're right. Facts are stubborn.

Obama won twice since 2008. The Republicans have won once if you're only counting the Presidential race.

But, what about the others.

In 2009 Democrats held 60 seats in the US Senate.
Currently they are at 48.

In 2009 Democrats held 235 seats in the US House of Representatives.
Currently there are at 192.

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost over 900 state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

Conclusive enough.

[SaschaHM]

46. I'll ignore the condescension and just thank Bernie for not waiting weeks this time.

[aikoaiko]

60. Waiting weeks to do what?

Did he wait too long in the past on something?

[aikoaiko]

70. Oh yeah.

[pnwmom]

88. He waited till the convention to endorse Hillary, though the chance

for him to win was gone by early May.

[aikoaiko]

197. Right. I forgot about that complaint HRC supporters had with Bernie.

[Amimnoch]

59. When he actually becomes a Democrat,

for more than temporary political convenience (and complicit election spoiler), and stops just being a muppet balcony heckler from the outside, he'll be worth listening to.

[bekkilyn]

63. Thank you Bernie! You are so inspiring! (nt)

[chwaliszewski]

76. Thank you, Bernie!

[frazzled]

78. From the person for whom it actually didn't work

Recycling 1920s Eugene Debs and early 1970s political bromides definitely did not work.

So why is he giving advice like he has the answers?

[delisen]

82. What did Sanders gain for himself or the Dem party by that public statement?

I think his ego was speaking, which seems to be bigger than the Democratic party and makes it difficult for him to squeeze it inside the Tent.

[BeyondGeography]

83. The same-old same-old

A fine title for the one-dimensional speech that Bernie always gives.

[pnwmom]

87. Since when does a son of DR immigrants, who worked on a garbage truck in college,

need to be condescendingly advised to avoid "same-old, same old"?

[Hekate]

144. Bingo! "Condescending" certainly describes Bernie's tone

[redgreenandblue]

153. "Sanders is wrong because something something identity"

Since when does a son of Jewish immigrants who lost family in the Holocaust need to be in awe because somebody, yikes, had to work in college?

[uponit7771]

191. +1,

[EffieBlack]

89. Thank GOD for Bernie - because without him the new DNC chair would not know to try to attract more

working class and young people into to the party.

Sanctimonious doesn't even begin to cover it.

[Rex]

90. Perez knows that, the entire country has exploded in outrage.

There has been a continuation from the fallout of Trump winning and none of it is good. Everyone and their dog are paying attention now.

[Cary]

98. Not everyone

I get people telling me to stop complaining and accept the orange gelatinous grift weasel. I tend to block them.

[Rex]

103. I do the same thing.

I am down to one relative and I cannot block them they live next door.

[murielm99]

105. He just has to throw cold water on this, doesn't he?

And what does he mean that he looks forward to working with with Perez? Sanders is not a Democrat.

[delisen]

106. the BS lecture series is not enlightening. Might as well order the Reader's Digest nt

[mcar]

108. Sanders doesn't need to lecture the DNC chair

A man who has a brilliant record of fighting for working men and women. A simple congratulations would have sufficed - and showed some class.

[George II]

110. What does he mean by "we"? Is he referring to Angus King and himself?

[democratisphere]

118. Gag order.

[Jakes Progress]

120. Keep it up Bernie. Maybe we can get 9 Scalias on the court.

[liquid diamond]

121. I'm surprised half of the posts in this

thread haven't been hidden for daring to tell St. Bernie to shut up.

[m-lekktor]

124. K & R. nt

[Maven]

130. Oh, who gives a shit. Really. nt

[BannonsLiver]

139. The thread has 136 responses including yours

[Maven]

195. Yes and a lot of them are from people who are tired

of Bernie putting down the Democratic Party while simultaneously purporting to be its savior and at the same time being too good to join it officially.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

133. Since Bernie wants to criticize Perez

Why doesn't he join the Democratic party? If not please shut the hell up.

[ciaobaby]

137. be honest - you would want him to shut the hell up even if he joined the party.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

154. Wrong

But thank you for playing. Please keep that "woe is me" game out of the discussion.

[SharonClark]

136. Bernie"s arrogance and self-righteouness is tiring

[ciaobaby]

142. So I just realized why this site allows continual berating of Bernie.

It is because he is not technically a Democrat.
So all you Bernie haters should be thankful he remains independent.

[LovingA2andMI]

143. Be careful.....

#NotABernieHaterHere

[Hekate]

149. Bernie spoke with great condescension to and about a man who won fair and square. This is part....

...of a pattern with Bernie.

It is not "continually berating" him to call him out on his words and attitude, especially as he repeats the same pattern continually over the years.

He thinks he's right -- fine. But usually people want to debate an issue, not be lectured on how wrong they are or how they don't measure up to someone else's ideal.

Bernie lectures and condescends. We are within our rights to point that out.

[Buddyblazon]

156. And Big D supporters condescend the future of the party

non stop.

Tell me how that's working out for you.

[uponit7771]

193. Sanders is not the future of the party...He's not even a Democrat

[Buddyblazon]

198. Yet there he was yesterday with Kansas Democrats...

helping them fundraise. He pulled 7000 people.

Check yourself.

[DURHAM D]

204. That is a BS number. nt

[uponit7771]

219. Red Herring, doesn't mean he's the future of the party... I like him, he's popular but not the futur

[uponit7771]

221. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! Comey, Voter suppression and Russia all the rest of the postmortems are guessin

[Tatiana]

141. This is a moment that calls for the extension of grace and an olive branch.

Perez won. We have bigger and more important things to tackle at this point.

I don't necessarily disagree with Sanders. Our party needs to move in a different direction. But I think Perez understands that, and that's why he asked for Ellison to be his Deputy.

Right now the house is on fire. We have to prioritize and mobilize to put out the fire. It's all hands on deck.

This type of rhetoric isn't helpful.

[StevieM]

146. The Comey intervention has worked out well for some people. (eom)

[Chitown Kev]

150. Bernie needs to shut the hell up

and be gracious on this occasion instead of lecturing the damn man...especially since he hasn't won anything beyond Vermont and wasn't all that helpful in getting winning candidates into office.

He's just being a drama queen because can and his "used by" date has pretty much expired.

[ucrdem]

151. "same-old, same-old" what, Senator Sanders?

Because I think I know.

[Buddyblazon]

155. Bernie is right...

Democrats just put up the same old type of politician presented to the American people for decades...

And the democrats chosen candidate lost to an absolute fucking idiot.

Keep plodding down the same path. Just don't be an asshole when you keep getting the same result:

Losing.

[JI7]

158. and Sanders lost to Clinton

unlike Obama . and Perez is an Obama guy.

[Buddyblazon]

159. Just don't go whining if it happens again...

People that were shocked by this really weren't paying attention.

[JI7]

160. calling out the Russian Hack is not whining

and the end of voting rights act which whicht he supreme court struck down.

these things matter .

[JI7]

162. that's more wikileaks bs meant to hurt Clinton, if Sanders was brought down

by some dnc guy saying something in an email there is no way he would be able to deal with a national ge campaign.

[Buddyblazon]

163. Yeah sure....that's all that happened.

They obviously fired DWS because all that shit was made up.

Welp...some people won't quit bashing their heads into the wall. Best I can do is offer you a helmet.

[JI7]

164. if sanders was brought down by an incompetent like dws there is no way

he could deal with a national campaign.

[JI7]

167. i deserve misery ? that's what trump supporters say

And Obama beat Hillary under the same system.

[Buddyblazon]

168. "What DNC collusion?"...

is what Trump enablers say.

[JI7]

169. Trump enablers are Hillary haters.

[Buddyblazon]

170. Trump enablers are people complaining about Russian interference...

After remaining silent on DNC interference.

You don't get to be a hypocrite like that AND not expect people to call you on your double standards. lol

[JI7]

171. there is evidence of russian hack. dnc complaint

Is about some email of someone complaining after sanders already lost.

And complaining about a system in place for years .

[Buddyblazon]

173. After?

Okay. If you're going to revise history...yes you deserve the misery. Folks were screaming about the collusion from the very beginning of the primaries. Not just because of some email after it was over.

[JI7]

174. many of these same people scream over media being unfair to trump

Just because they scream doesnt make it true.

[JI7]

177. Hillary haters are the trump enablers.

[Buddyblazon]

178. As an aside...

I own a cannabis business in a rec state. Its
Awesome when people like me who actually fought tooth and nail for years for the stuff you take for granted, now possibly having to have my business shuttered, my house and finances seized and face serious jail time...have to listen to people like you tell me I'm a Trump supporter.

I held my nose and voted for your candidate as you were screaming at me...telling me you didn't need my vote...how awful I was for not falling into line (regardless of the fact that she was vague on cannabis policy)...

And then upon here humiliating defeat...after doing exactly as you demanded we do...turning around and screaming it was all our fault she lost.

She lost because she was the same old same old. She lost because she couldn't get a single
Republican to cross over. She lost because her ardent supporters like yourself alienated the shit out of fellow liberals/progressives that didn't fall in line.

No...you deserve to feel the fucking anxiety that I and my fellow industry compadres are about to feel after we warned you what would happen if you put her forth as a candidate.

You? You get to sit behind your computer screen and revise history.

I do indeed hope you get to feel the anxiety that we in the cannabis industry are going to feel for the foreseeable future because of the shit candidate you lambasted us into supporting.

May a whale bequeath itself on your favorite rug.

[JI7]

179. Hillary haters are supporters

[BainsBane]

206. I don't know if you realize it

but that story about DNC collusion was the product of Russian propaganda by which emails were planted with the dates changed in order to sow division within the Democratic Party and thereby help Trump get elected. As we can see, it worked.

[Gothmog]

248. As far as I can tell, these e-mails may have been altered or doctored

No one has confirmed the accuracy of the hacked and potentially altered propaganda material from russian intelligence

[BainsBane]

249. I've read that the dates were changed

or omitted to create a false impression.

[Gothmog]

255. I have heard that also

[seaglass]

166. Bernie likely cost Ellison the chair, I don't think his strategy is too bright.

Perez and Ellison can figure this out without Bernie's non-original input.

[BainsBane]

207. I agree. nt

[Blue_Adept]

172. It feels like Bernie is playing in a pre-Trump electorate world

The post-Trump election is a very different electorate than what we had during the primaries and the end race itself.

[uponit7771]

194. +1

[Mike Nelson]

176. Well...

...Bernie being old does not bother me. He's our elder statesman, now! I trust he will help Perez and Ellison with support and advice! Let's move forward - stronger together!

[brutus smith]

187. Bernie this, Bernie that

What did Hillary do for a 50 state strategy? I can speak for my state of Ohio that she galvanized people who were against her. There was no enthusiasm for her here. Howard Dean had it right back then about the 50 state strategy. Start at the local, then the state, then Washington. Quit the f@cking bickering. People who DO vote, don't like it.

[GoCubsGo]

227. And, I hope Perez's reply was,

"No shit, Sherlock!"

[WinkyDink]

236. Can't get past the messenger.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

241. Lecturing the new DNC head on Day 1 (by a non-Democrat no less)

seems in bad form/taste. Republicans don't do this with theirs, do they?


This is pretty much why I didn't support/vote for Bernie in the primaries.

[Gothmog]

247. Yes is was in very bad form

[NastyRiffraff]

242. "It is important that Tom understands"

WTF?? Who the hell is Sanders to lecture Tom Perez on how to do his job. Tom is an intelligent, accomplished liberal (okay, "progressive" if you hate the word "liberal&quot . He doesn't need Bernie Sanders to wag his finger and tell him what he has the understand. Sanders, as usual, insists on his way or the highway. The DNC Chair may have other plans and need not listen to a non-Democrat on how to run the Democratic Party.

[Gothmog]

246. I agree with your analysis

Lecturing Tom Perez is not a good move

[cadmium]

253. I cant tell if

Bernie is being condescending of it just sounds that way in transcription. "Same-old, Same old" is not working and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not suggesting that Tom is "same old-same old". That would be silly since Bernie has been in Congress more then 25 yrs himself. I mostly don't like to see these comments out of context-possibly twisted by a reporter trying to stir up dissent.

If he knows Tom Perez, he knows he is a dynamo.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz was a fresh face and a dynamo, but was just not right for the job. So, time will tell.

[Kimchijeon]

254. Thank you Senator Sanders!!