What a shocker!! Trump lied about graduating first in his class at Wharton

[LudwigPastorius]

Actually, it's not that shocking.

Actually, it's not shocking at all.

For years, President Donald Trump has said it’s clear that he is “a very smart guy” since he attended Wharton — a school he describes as “super genius stuff.”

Trump, who graduated from Wharton in 1968, has also never challenged the fact that he "graduated first in his class," which various publishers and news agencies such as The New York Times have reported.

Penn records and Trump’s classmates dispute this claim.

In 1968, The Daily Pennsylvanian published a list of the 56 students who were on the Wharton Dean’s List that year — Trump’s name is not among them.

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No honors, no Dean's list...

Read all about it here: http://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton

[yardwork]

1. Did he in fact graduate?

[LudwigPastorius]

4. I don't know.

If you ask him for his grade transcripts, he'll probably tell you he can't release them because they're being audited.

[yardwork]

10. They probably are being audited. Or should be.

I doubt he went to class. I can't imagine him writing a paper or completing a case study. If he got his degree his dad bought it for him.

[brush]

2. He was just there for 2 years anyway, transferred from another school

Kind of a sham move to be able to say he graduated from Wharton.

[C_U_L8R]

6. True. Trump was an UPenn undergrad

He certainly wasn't getting an MBA at Wharton...
he just took some classes there. He's such a phony.

[DFW]

12. I was a UPenn undergad who took a class at Wharton, too

We were required to take three semesters of "social sciences" as part of the course requirement for a humanities degree. So I took Econ 101, which was given at the Wharton building. It was not easy, and even though I loved the professor ("my name is Bill, so please call me Bill. My name is not Professor, so please do not call me professor&quot no one sailed through. With his short attention span, I'm betting Trump didn't, either.

[C_U_L8R]

13. Certainly not easy. Penn's a great school.

But Trump is passing himself off as a Wharton grad - which is commonly understood to mean the graduate school.

[DFW]

17. That would be a false assumption

At Penn, we could choose as an undergrad which school to enroll in and graduate from. You could graduate from any one of several of Penn's "schools" after the first four years without getting a graduate degree. We had various choices. There was "the college (of arts and sciences)," Wharton, Nursing, Engineering, probably a few others I have since forgotten. You took your requirements where they were taught (like my Econ class at Wharton), but it didn't mean you were enrolled there, or would graduate from there. A Wharton student might have been in my Russian class to satisfy one of his humanities requirements, but it didn't mean he had to change his Wharton enrollment to do it.

You could always go on to get a graduate degree from Wharton, of course, like from anywhere else, but you could just get an undergrad degree from Wharton after four years, too, and then go on to do whatever.

[C_U_L8R]

19. I get what you're saying

But if someone told you they went to Harvard Business School
you'd naturally assume they were in the graduate program.

Trump's just being sneaky with his credentials for his own gain.

[DFW]

21. Harvard is just set up differently

A Harvard business degree necessarily means you went to their grad school. A Wharton degree could be an undergrad degree OR a graduate degree (you'd have to specify). Wharton is a separate division of Penn from day one, whereas the Harvard business school is (as far as I know) only a graduate institution that you apply for and attend AFTER you get your undergrad degree.

[anneboleyn]

42. Does penn still have the undergrad Wharton degree? I thought it was strictly MBA now?

[DFW]

44. I have no clue

1974 was a long time ago, and I haven't kept up with any reorganization of the place in the meantime. My only memories are of how the place was set up when I went there.

[Pachamama]

20. Hey fellow Quaker!!!

[DFW]

26. Another Penn grad here?

Will wonders never cease?!?!

[Pachamama]

30. And with our German connections...

[DFW]

33. Nicht zu fassen

Wer hätte das gedacht?

[Pachamama]

36. Eine sehr kleine Welt...

Ich errinere von Meine erste Tage unsere Zeit auf DU....

Ich hätte damals nie geglaubt oder gedacht das jemand könnte schlimmer sein als George W Bush.

Und hier Sind wir....

[DFW]

37. Dachte ich auch

Ich hatte es nicht für möglich gehalten

[Ligyron]

40. Where are your scoring your umlauts from?

Never figured out that trick.

[Pachamama]

50. Writing from my iPad - just hold the key and a bar appears with the

...umlauts and accents for that letter...

Apple - they think of everything....

[Ligyron]

75. Belated Thanks for that!

Figures... Yeah, I'm buying Apple next time.

[japple]

51. Here, too. Never figured out how to add the

umlaut.

[markpkessinger]

54. In the absence of an umlaut . . .

. . . it is always perfectly acceptable to simply add an 'e' after the un-umlauted vowel.

[DFW]

73. See post 71 n/t

[DFW]

71. Easy for me. I have a German keyboard. But there is another way, too

Look for "Character Map" (usually: Start--All Programs--Accessories--Character Map)

Click on what you want, and then "copy" when you are done. You can write in Russian, German, Icelandic, Swedish, Arabic, Hebrew, even ancient Greek.

[anneboleyn]

41. My spouse is a Penn grad, and I went to Stanford (it's interesting to see who is on DU) grad school

[DFW]

43. One of my nephews went to Stanford Grad (engineering)

He got his PhD there and still lives out there in Palo Alto, the only one of my family to move west, unless you count my elder daughter who moved from Düsseldorf to New York City after two years of school in L.A.

[anneboleyn]

48. The Farm! I miss Northern California so much it hurts. I am a Cal golden bear too (undergrad)

A Ph.D. From Stanford Grad in Engineering is an outstanding degree. I wonder how he likes Palo Alto?! It was SO hot for an East Bay person like myself, and of course it was astronomically expensive, even in the 90s and early 2000s. Most of the grad students lived in San Francisco and Mountain View.

[DFW]

70. He loves Palo Alto

He only has a small apartment that he shares with his wife and son, but he doesn't want to leave the area. We have friends just north of Half Moon Bay, too. The area IS astronomically expensive, but with good reason. Who wouldn't want to live there?

[KittyWampus]

23. Silly name dropping. I went to a NYS University. It's a good school.

Just so silly.

[anneboleyn]

46. I agree with you. Most people (and I'm an academic with a spouse who has a Ph.D. from Penn)

assume that Wharton = MBA because that is what is out there in pop culture. Of course as our Penn grads know that isn't technically the case but I have heard a countless number of pundits and ordinary folks refer to Trump's "MBA from Wharton."

[Pachamama]

24. My favorite non-Wharton College Class in Political Science

...was international politics and soviet foreign policy, taught by Professor Alvin Z. Rubenstein. So many people recommended his class and I was so impressed I took two classes with him.

Miss him....wish he was around to ask him about what is happening now with Trump and Putin and Russia...I can only imagine what colorful and forceful opinion he would issue about this topic....

www.thedp.com:8080/article/2002/01/political_science_prof_rubinstein_dead_at_age_74

[DFW]

25. When was that?

I was there from 1970-1974, and I don't recognize the name.

My favorite prof was Alan Mann, a professor of Anthropology. That was number two of my required "social sciences," and I was so blown away by the guy, I almost changed my major to Anthropology then and there (but I chickened out, and didn't).

[Pachamama]

35. I'm younger only 49 - was there in late 80's

But Rubenstein was there when you were and he really was one of Penn's greats.

Yes....there are Quakers on DU....imagine that....no surprise...

[DFW]

39. I never heard of him, but that means nothing

There was a lot of candlepower around Penn in those days. One of the unsung heroes was the husband of my Swedish professor. He was one of the world's great experts in reading Babylonian and Sumerian cuneiform. You always think there's SOMEONE out there who can do that, but who? His name was Åke Sjöberg, and I read that he passed away recently. Great guy, even though I never saw him again after I graduated.

[anneboleyn]

49. And UCLA Bruins, The Farm (Stanford), and Cal (Berkeley). I love finding out how much

we have in common irl.

[etherealtruth]

14. Fordham

[IrishEyes]

45. I don't agree.

Obviously, Trump is a lying lowlife. His not graduating first in his class is another in a very long list of lies from this scumbag. However, many people transfer from one college to another.

Four of my aunt's children went to community college for their first two years then all transferred to prestigious schools for their last two years. That way all of them could get degrees from excellent schools without having insane student debt.

[brush]

47. Don't agree about what?

[lunasun]

3. Did anyone ever believe this? I mean we are talking Donald Trump graduating with honors

[jmowreader]

32. You mean "most likely to die in prison" isn't an honor?

[unblock]

5. In all fairness, he never said *what* he was first in

I'm thinking "white studies".

[Siwsan]

29. I'm guessing he placed pretty high in draft deferments

Especially that special medical kind that kept him out of the Army but still allowed him to play baseball and football.

[Maru Kitteh]

68. How close was the nearest Kentucky Fried Chicken?

He may have been first in "bucket distribution" to try and curry favor, grease the wheels with chicken fat and 11 herbs and spices.

[Cha]

7. Anybody that says ".. super genius stuff.. " is the

first clue he's a pathetic loser

[smirkymonkey]

77. Did he really say that?

God, what a LOSER!

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Just another false entry

in Trump's so called Career. But what the heck,he scored number 1 in Bullshit for Fake Presidents.

[JDC]

9. Lets see his Transpcript. He called for Obama's publicly

Part of his racism and delegitimization campaign. Married it right to the birther BS

[ffr]

11. Can he read multiple syllable words even?

Doesn't appear so.

He's even dumber than Dumya.

[keithbvadu2]

38. Does Donald Trump Know How to Read?

Does Donald Trump Know How to Read?
.

[nocalflea]

69. barely...

The way Trump moves his hand with every word he reads off the teleprompter reminds me of 6,7,8 year old children running their finger underneath the words when reading from a book and how they mouth the words when reading silently.
How much you wanna bet Trump "fake reads" silently in public ? - if his lips aren't moving he ain't reading.
No way he ever lets anyone see him silently mouthing words. After all he is - like smart.

Bannon on the NSC...
Hell , Bannon & Miller could own half of Trump Tower by now.

(Come Camp David -You just know those two are sharing a bunkbed)

Upside: Bring in journalists. Place a letter of resignation in front of Trump.Tell him it's an EO.
Come on, Reince...It could keep you out of prison.
... any takers ?
Sean ? - nice parting gift,show us you're more than just your average sphincter. You have real potential for growth here, Sean. Bigly -don't let Kellyanne tell you otherwise.
Kushner ? -take revenge on Bannon for trying to undermine you with daddy(you know he has) & for that awful -no jews were present type -Holocaust Remembrance statement.
P.S. Gerald ,daddy wants to do your wife-you should despise him for that alone & he's probably already sizing up your daughter (re:daddy'sTiffany's rack comment -she was an infant at the time)*as I write this, I do believe I'm more disgusted with Kushner than Trump...

My god , what a soulless bunch.Amazing how they flock together-sort of like paired up serial killers feeding off of each other.

[BlueStater]

15. People who are actually intelligent don't have to brag about how smart they are.

He's as dumb as shit, as if we didn't already know that.

[3catwoman3]

31. They don't have to tell you.

They just quietly show you.

[Alice11111]

57. Yes, like Obama. The very fact that DT wont shut up

about his good genes, really good schools, very smart, one of smartest in the world (believe me), best negotiator, ad nauseum tells me he is an insecure, unintelligent POS.
Even "believe me," says I'm a liar.

[3catwoman3]

61. Methinks the jackass...

...doth protest too much.

[BeckyDem]

16. He's a birther, proving he will say any lie.

[Alice11111]

78. Yep, Pattern of over 5 yrs. How do we get rid of him?

He clearly is not changing, but he does seem to be consolidating his base, and drawing in some of his Repub enemies as supporters.

If we could just figure out how to get rid of him. Too bad he is eating at the WH now, instead of all the trash food, like KFC. He might just kill over w a heart attack.

That, or being taken out by his own people for being crazy. They all know it, but they are propping him up accomplish their agenda.

Im thinking impeachment is less likely, as the investigators, with any power, and the investigated are the same people.

TG for our press. However, the press that half the country or more watches doesnt report the smoking guns much. That side mostly doesn't follow the real news or they want it suppressed. A lot of the problem is the electorate and the RW media that feeds them.

[BeckyDem]

79. Agreed. We have to do well in 2018 to at least push back on legislation and we then kick

their asses out even further in 2020.

[Alice11111]

81. Let's hope for a low Repub turnout in 2018

There are a few special elections the DNC is ignoring.
We really need a strong leader with a 50 state plan.
We are floundering, except for the press and the people, which are as strong as I remember.

[BeckyDem]

82. I think we'll get there. I am encouraged by his low polls so far. The protests against him

have been fantastic, we have a long way to go but not impossible to win again.

[Pachamama]

18. I'm a UPenn Wharton UNDERGRAD....

I always tell people I went to Penn...if I said Wharton, even though they have a Bachelor of Science in Economics degree with majors in areas that are the same classes as an MBA, people then presume you went to Wharton Graduate School and have an MBA.

Notice he never claims to have an MBA - and if he does, he is lying. But he does this on purpose to just let people think he went to Wharton grad and has an MBA.

That all said - I'm very active at Penn as an alum, am involved in committees and fundraising and know a lot about alumni, especially the well known ones. One of my classmates and sorority sister is Tory Burch (formerly Robinson) and a good friend was Beau Biden who died last year. (He was in the Castle fraternity). I know people and met people in Trumps graduating class. Most people didn't know him - and the few who did and took classes with him said he was the biggest asshole they ever met and had few friends. I have never in 30 years seen him attend any alumni or homecoming events, although I vaguely remember him coming in the 80's to speak there, but I didn't go. The school is ashamed to call him am alum. They are much prouder of it's founder Benjamin Franklin and many other alums who have done great things for humanity and the sciences. We have a lot of great graduates. Trump is not one of them.

[PCIntern]

22. I am a doctoral recipient and former professor from and at Penn

And this illiterate dumbass 45 did not graduate at the top of his class.

[regnaD kciN]

27. However, he DEFINITELY finished first in his class

…at UPutin Whore-ton School.

[3catwoman3]

28. Trumplethinskin thinks he is in a class by himself, so...

...maybe that is the class he was first in.

[bora13]

34. typical

An individual in my family (not blood related) in the same era (vietnam) always brags about
having been in AF ROTC while in college.

The way he talks you'd think he was a high ranking officer in the active Air Force.

As someone who was an enlisted soldier for five years, I am quite taken aback at how he thinks he
somehow "served."

sad.

[kiers]

52. You know they used SLIDE RULES back then!

u think he can remember how to use one? they say that stuff from your formative years never leaves you!

[Alice11111]

63. I took an engineering class, &even though calculators were available, we had to use a slide rule

Then, they just thought it was important to know how to use one, just in case...whatever . It was fun though. Shows my age.

[LeftInTX]

67. In Business school?

I used one exclusively for a chemistry class (1974). Scientific calculators were allowed the next semester. I majored in math and took numerous chem and physics classes. I would sometimes use a slide rule because calculators had limitations. I have completely forgotten how to use them.

I just don't picture them in business school because decimals aren't as complicated as chemistry. Although I can see them being used in some economic courses, I can't picture Trump taking that kind of course.

[longship]

55. Small hands!!!! No Dean's list for you! nt

[Beacool]

56. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that he probably was a mediocre student.

The man is a modern day P.T. Barnum, he's a self-promoter who lies as easily as he breathes. The real estate version of a used car salesman.

[mn9driver]

58. No one cares anymore. His constant lying has been normalized.

Being obviously mentally ill is no longer disqualifying for the president.

[Alice11111]

64. Yes, for him & many of his staff...KAC, SB, . I would love to have him on cross examination in court

...for his everyday statenents, rally bs, & press conferences . He would both perjure himself and be held in contempt for lying to the court and wasting its time. The judge even would get impatient, and say, which is it?

This isn't normal, except for very stupid criminals, maybe with dementia.

[Greybnk48]

59. Trump DID NOT graduate from Wharton,

he graduated from Penn, which in itself is shocking, even in the bottom 1/3 of his class! He was rejected the first time he applied. He did his first two years at Fordham University and then transferred to Penn, I'm sure with a big check from daddy.

He took some classes at Wharton, nothing more. He was never accepted to their business program. He DOES NOT have an MBA or any other advanced degree. He has a B.A. or a B.S., my guess is a B.S., since I can't imagine that knuckle-dragger learning a second language, or even trying to.

All of this has been covered 2 or 3 times by Lawrence O'Donnell on his show with the requisite back up evidence.

[anneboleyn]

66. IMHO Trump misled people for years by saying "Wharton" as people think "MBA" He never mentions

that he was at Penn as an undergrad.

[Greybnk48]

72. Nor does he say that his application was rejected as a freshman.

He did his first two years at Fordham, and then applied to Penn again. My father graduated from Penn and would be embarrassed to know that someone like Trump actually graduated with a BA or BS from Penn.

I'm sure he's not the first punk who's daddy bought his degree, like Dubya.

[Gothmog]

60. Trump is really not that bright

[AgadorSparticus]

62. How sad. The very first thought I had was: did he even go to Wharton?

He lies about everything. Who actually believes anything that comes out of his mouth.

[Kimchijeon]

65. That's a lie! Fake News! Fake! Look, I'll have you know he was #1

In his class, the best baseball player that ever lived, golfs a perfect game every time, and knows all the good words! Everybody always told him so, he was the greatest. Can I be honest with you? Can I?

He is tremendously talented, everybody always told him that, his whole life! All his coaches, and teachers, they always said, "Donald, you are the smartest student we have ever seen. Also the best athlete ever!"

It's a shame, because baseball, it wasn't big at the time so he could never show us! But he was the best! It's TRUE.

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[Blue_Roses]

74. No big shocker there

[vlyons]

76. and this is the man, who demanded to see Obama's college and law school records!

While Trump did attend the Wharton School, he did not attend the Wharton School of Business as he claims. He's such a liar.

[spanone]

80. Liar-In-Chief

[Gothmog]

83. For this thread

Trump was too stupid to get into the graduate school program at Wharton. In addition, trump did not graduate with honors. http://fortune.com/2015/08/14/donald-trump-wharton/

His school posted his graduate program that shows that he did not graduate with honor shttp://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/what_is_trumps_real_record_at.html