This Is Why Hillary Clinton Supporters Are Upset About the Womens March

[otohara]

I for one am not happy about this obvious deliberate omission by the organizers who are Sanders devotees.


On Thursday, the organizers of the Women's March on Washington released a list of 27 women who "paved the way for us to march." It didn't take long for people to notice that there was one big name missing from the roster: Hillary Clinton.
The omission of the first woman to run for U.S. president under the banner of a major party sparked a Change.org petition asking the organizers and sponsors to reconsider. "We urge you to include Hillary Clinton" as an honoree "who has inspired women to demonstrate," it reads.

So far, the petition, which also seeks to remind readers about Clinton's long history of fighting for women and children, has 4,658 supporters.

The hashtag #AddHerName soon appeared on Twitter and is still going strong:

http://fortune.com/2017/01/20/hillary-clinton-womens-march/

[Uponthegears]

1. Postmortem is closed.

Uniting against Trump is open.

[Freethinker65]

3. +1000

[OregonBlue]

4. Click on the link and go sign the petition. Are the people organizing the march morons? No Hillary?

[joshcryer]

8. I doubt a lot of women going to the march know she was left off the list.

It'll be interesting to see if they, wearing pro-Hillary paraphernalia are insulted as more party-infighting is incited.

[mattclearing]

24. Who cares?

Donald Trump is reversing every Obama executive order and you want to sign a petition to make sure poor Hillary doesn't get forgotten on a march list?

[joshcryer]

42. This is about her supporters who will undoubtedly be there.

And who are upset about this before the march begins.

You can dismiss their reasons if you want or not but this is more of the same divisive, dividing, hurtful stuff that Dems have been tossing at each other ever since Nader helped Bush steal the White House.

[Madam Mossfern]

49. The March is not about Hillary

It's a protest march.
It's time to concentrate on the present and to not allow sensitivity to overcome the intent of the march.

[LakeArenal]

69. Yes, and Hillary is welcome to join them and speak herself...

[HoneyBadger]

77. It actually is not a protest march according to the organizers

You are however free to protest Some of the sister marches are protest marches.

[mattclearing]

118. You complain about "divisive, dividing, hurtful stuff" and then drag Nader out?

Could your complaint be any less relevant?

[joshcryer]

7. I think the person who got several million more votes than Trump...

...being snubbed hardly constitutes "uniting against Trump."

[Little Star]

78. +1

[otohara]

12. The March is Tomorrow

it's an ongoing thing on Twitter - you want to erase the news now?

[NCTraveler]

25. Not postmortem in any way.

Whoever told you this was an anti-Trump forum only was wrong. We can fight for the inclusion of strong women all day long in this forum. Doesn't matter how much you attempt to dismiss it.

[SaschaHM]

28. He doesn't care...

She/He probably enjoys the jab at Hillary. Look at his post towards the bottom.

[Uponthegears]

29. Yea, that's what this is about

Not about standing up to Trump together but about honoring Hillary.

[joshcryer]

41. This is a very divisive thing.

There will be Clinton supporters there who didn't know she was excluded.

There will be Clinton haters there who won't like those Clinton supporters.

There will be people bashing one another about Clinton.

That's how the Republicans win.

It should've never been a thing to even be used by anyone.

[NCTraveler]

45. However you want to justify...

Your attempt to shut the conversation down.

[emulatorloo]

58. Nice spin.

Fox News quality. Congrats.

Organizer quoted HRC for the guiding principle, but refused to credit the quote to HRC. That's petty and dishonest. Organizer is still clinging to the primary.



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Women's March on Washington Guiding Vision and Definition of Principles

<snip>

WHY WE MARCH

We are empowered by the legions of revolutionary leaders who paved the way for us to march, and acknowledge those around the globe who fight for our freedoms. We honor these women and so many more. They are #WHYWEMARCH.

Bella Abzug • Corazon Aquino • Ella Baker • Grace Lee Boggs Berta Cáceres • Rachel Carson • Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis • Miss Major Griffin Gracy • LaDonna Harris Dorothy I. Height • bell hooks • Dolores Huerta • Marsha P. Johnson Barbara Jordan • Yuri Kochiyama • Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde • Wilma Mankiller • Diane Nash • Sylvia Rivera Barbara Smith • Gloria Steinem • Hannah G. Solomon Harriet Tubman • Edith Windsor • Malala Yousafzai

VALUES & PRINCIPLES
● We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem.

---------------------------------



Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

https://m.

[yardwork]

83. Then why are the organizers of the march acting this way?

Why this petty spiteful behavior? What's wrong with them?

[citood]

2. I actually agree but noon Jan 20 has come and gone

[otohara]

13. January 21st Is Tomorrow

shall we erase the news like Trump?

[citood]

15. Adding 'Like Trump' doesn't change anything

The primaries are over. Ancient history. Yesterday's news. etc, etc, wash, rinse, repeat.

[otohara]

18. It's Already News Whether You Like It Or Not

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=womans+march+washinton+omits+Hillary

[citood]

97. Let me get this straight

The expiration date for re-fighting the primaries on this board can get extended...because there are news articles re-fighting the primaries?

[otohara]

101. Alert The Moderators

Since you can't stomach the conversation at hand.

[citood]

113. Not my style

A good moderator tries to allow it's members to self police. Usually works...but then there are the special cases. Anyway, no doubt the moderator has seen this thread. Everyone knew the deadline wouldn't be adhered to by everyone...Im sure they're taking a soft approach

So it's up to us to make their lives easy or difficult. I've made my decision - to adhere to the rules...why not, it's a voluntary board.

And you've made your decision.

You see, I think I can 'stomach' the discussion...but not everybody can stomach the board rule.

[gratuitous]

5. Perhaps you should organize your own march?

Then you can put anyone's name you fancy on it. For myself and my church full of Clinton supporters, we're going to be marching tomorrow, rain or shine.

[joshcryer]

9. And if you're insulted or marganlized for showing your support for Hillary?

How would you feel?

[gratuitous]

11. I'm a big boy now

I don't seek self-validation from strangers for my life choices.

[joshcryer]

34. I don't know how I'd feel about joining a protest and being marginalized, myself.

I would think it would affect some who aren't as big as you, emotionally or psychologically. To the point where they just stop caring.

And that's how they win.

We didn't lose because we didn't have the votes.

We lost because we didn't have enough in the right areas.

[otohara]

21. Many Were Going There To Support Her

she is a woman and until recently she was the most admired woman in the world and to now find out she was deliberately left out is disheartening you know considering the achievements in her life.

[gratuitous]

23. Nothing stops anyone from supporting Hillary Clinton tomorrow

I'm totally missing the gist of your argument, is all I can tell.

[otohara]

26. It's Not Just Me This is Trending

on Twitter and it's getting a lot of attention in the news.

But hey - it's their party and we women should just shut up about their deliberate snub.

[gratuitous]

36. I'm still not getting it

How is this a snub to women? From what I can tell, this "why we march" statement was put out by the organizing group, speaking strictly for themselves. You can speak for yourself, carry a sign or a banner that says what you want it to say, start a chant for Hillary Clinton if the mood strikes, or whatever. If the organizing group hasn't arranged everything to your personal specification, then I'll go back to my original suggestion that you organize your own march and do it the way you want. You have options, you have a voice.

It seems that someone or some group of someones is trying to pick a fight ahead of tomorrow's demonstrations, much like the PUMA (party unity my ass) mini-movement from 2008 after Obama defeated Clinton for the Democratic nomination. What is the point of this article in Fortune magazine (not noted as a feminist outlet)? It looks to me like it's trying to discredit the March.

[emulatorloo]

48. The organizer used Clinton's words as the guiding principle, but refuses to credit the quotation.

That bothers me. That's dishonest. She's been called out on it. It is an easy correction. But in her pettiness and her need to diminish and erase HRC's contributions and service, she just doubles down.

Do you get it now?

That being said, the march is bigger than the pettiness of that organizer.

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Women's March on Washington Guiding Vision and Definition of Principles

<snip>

WHY WE MARCH

We are empowered by the legions of revolutionary leaders who paved the way for us to march, and acknowledge those around the globe who fight for our freedoms. We honor these women and so many more. They are #WHYWEMARCH.

Bella Abzug • Corazon Aquino • Ella Baker • Grace Lee Boggs Berta Cáceres • Rachel Carson • Shirley Chisholm
Angela Davis • Miss Major Griffin Gracy • LaDonna Harris Dorothy I. Height • bell hooks • Dolores Huerta • Marsha P. Johnson Barbara Jordan • Yuri Kochiyama • Winona LaDuke
Audre Lorde • Wilma Mankiller • Diane Nash • Sylvia Rivera Barbara Smith • Gloria Steinem • Hannah G. Solomon Harriet Tubman • Edith Windsor • Malala Yousafzai

VALUES & PRINCIPLES
● We believe that Women’s Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Women’s Rights. This is the basic and original tenet from which all our values stem.

---------------------------------

More at link.

Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China:

https://m.

[gratuitous]

94. Okay, the organizers are Hitler squared

I still don't see how that affects anyone's participation. You could carry a sign that says, "Women's Rights Are Human Rights - Hillary Clinton" which would be a poke in the eye for the organizers, educate the other marchers who see it, and get the message out that you want heard.

I submit that your duty is to act; the results are out of your control.

[emulatorloo]

96. hmm, don't recall calling anybody Hitler

I understand OTT hyperbole is the engine that drives DU, but maybe lighten up on the gas pedal now and again.

Everybody should go, the cause is bigger than the pettiness of one organizer who can't let go of Primary 2016.

[gratuitous]

112. I believe the response is . . .

My point!

[joshcryer]

37. This is why we lose.

We can't fucking unify.

This shit was intentional. And I question the motivations of the people behind it.

[otohara]

59. I Should Have Posted It Two Days Ago

my bad!
Honestly I didn't think this was "postmortem" news.

Basically what the organizers are saying is "fuck her"

[emulatorloo]

67. It isn't "postmortem" news. People who agree w Linda Sansour are trying to frame it

that way.

Clearly Sansour is the one clinging to the primary, as she is compelled to diminish HRC's service and shit on her one last time. She wants to erase Clinton from history.

I do want to note that the organizers in LA are crediting HRC. Other cities as well. I'm sorry I can't remember the other cities. I read their responses to #Addhername either on twitter or Facebook.

[otohara]

81. I Figure It's Payback

because they cling to the theory that the primary was rigged.

Las Vegas is one of the cities honoring her.

[joshcryer]

6. Damned if she did, damned if she didn't.

If she went to the march she'd be undermining the incoming President, if she doesn't go or show any kind of open support for the march she's "normalizing Trump."

It's just the kind of politics we're going to have to get used to.

[MichMan]

10. Her name should be listed even if she doesnt attend

That is a real slap to the face to not even include her on the list of influential women

[otohara]

14. It's Not About Her Attending At All

it's about her name being on the list and the fact they are using one of her quotes but not acknowledging her.

[malaise]

16. FFS n/t

[Raine]

17. Time to unite against Trump nt

[Iggo]

19. Not playing anymore.

Game over.

[BlueStateLib]

20. This is not a Democratic protest, its a progressive protest and Hillary is not part of their club

IMO the omission was an intentional jab at clinton and her supporters.

[Uponthegears]

22. This biggest anti-Trump demonstration

In the country and all you can think about is whether Hillary is getting the props you think she deserves?

[SaschaHM]

27. People can think about different things at the same time...

Just like you can try to dismiss this initially because the postmortem forum is closed and yet come back later to contribute with a snarky jab that belongs in the postmortem forum.

[Uponthegears]

31. No, the OP was about ONE thing

Hillary

[SaschaHM]

35. The OP linked an article for discussion

as is done here on DU. If you think that means that the only thing they are thinking about is Hillary, then you are delusional.

[joshcryer]

39. Exactly. Why does this have to be a thing?

Why couldn't they throw her name on there?

Big fucking deal.

But nope. Have to dig.

And it gets people upset (you can dismiss their feelings all you want).

And the division continues.

Tick tock. 4-8-12-16 years of this shit until capitalism just collapses with or without progressives.

[Uponthegears]

95. May I ask you a question

Do you even know the identity of the other women on the list?

[joshcryer]

104. Most, yes. Dolores Huerta is an ironic pick, too.

Given the utter garbage Sanders folk threw at her during the caucuses.

[hollowdweller]

30. I'm not sure the criteria they used.

But just on the face of it, if Clinton had not lost then there would be no reason to demonstrate, and a heck of a lot of the attendees supported her.
So she definitely did pave the way. Might even be the main reason.

[meadowlander]

32. I can think of one or two other things they should be a lot more upset about.

Seriously, today of all days, this is what people want to spend their energy on?

[joshcryer]

38. It should've never been something for people to be upset about.

That it even exists as a thing shows the inability for progressives to unify behind anything important.

There will be attempts to divide in the protest, you betcha.

[JHan]

43. Good God.....

[SHRED]

33. Insinuation

That's all you've got.

[rumdude]

40. What a joke...

Firstly, it never should have been labeled as a womens' march- it should have been for anyone who wanted to oppose the new Admin.

It's sometimes really hard being a Democrat - all the petty, BS squabbles of the left, all the obvious narcissism.

[msongs]

44. the outrage machine is cranked up to make something out of not much at all. nt

[joshcryer]

46. This is outrage culture.

So you gotta counter it before it begins.

Shit was intentional because people thrive off of this kind of shit.

[Raine]

52. Yes, absolutely and

seems to be what Democrats do and does no one any good!

[Turn CO Blue]

73. That faction of the outrage machine is paid to post critiques all progressive ideas/actions. n/t

[TrekLuver]

47. Maybe she didn't want to be included. Regardless, we all must unite to defeat a common enemy.

The infighting of different groups...no matter what you are fighting for GETS ME SICK.

[otohara]

72. Yeah Right

This was not her choice it was deliberate by the organizers.

[TrekLuver]

76. If that is all true than that is shitty but it sure as hell is not going to stop me

from going.

[Texasgal]

50. Oh dear god!

Is it possible to allow Women to march for their OWN reasons? Why are we constantly being told it's for the wrong reasons all of the damn time?

Let us march for are own reasons! Stop questioning MY motives.

[apcalc]

90. +1

[Barack_America]

51. Oh, for fuck's sake, can we PLEASE let the primaries go?

Or shall we just preemptively hand our asses over for 2020?

Has Hillary been particularly vocal in opposing Trump? I sure haven't heard much. Seems she's taking a different tact. Any chance that, as a former First Lady, Senator and SOS, that she did not want to be associated with the protest?

[Croney]

53. Oh for pete's sake.

All I've seen today and tonight here in DC are women and men joyously united in a common goal: to join together tomorrow in support of human rights of all kinds. I was as big a Hillary supporter as anybody. Whether her name is on a list or not, I just love her to death. But I'm not wearing any Hillary buttons or t-shirt tomorrow, I'm wearing a pink pussyhat and a coat that just happens to be pink. My husband will be marching in support of women's rights and especially my right to express who I am.

Nobody's going to argue or fight over anything except how in the world we're going to take our country back in four years if not before.

[LisaM]

55. Wow, I am absolutely shocked by some of the comments here.

Do you understand the impetus for this march? It's not just some random gathering, but one that occurred after a particularly difficult election?

To repeat, I'm really shocked by some of these hurtful comments. Hillary's name should be on there. She's among the reasons many of us are going to our various marches.

I'm just disappointed all over the place. And, clearly leaving her off was quite deliberate.

[grossproffit]

93. It was deliberate. You're spot on, too!

[workinclasszero]

114. Its so obviously deliberate

And petty as hell in the face of the worst government in the history of this country.

This divisive BS has to end now!

[Arazi]

56. FFS, this march isn't @ Hillary. The election is over!

How do you know she even wants to be included? She's been completely invisible since the election. I see no reason to believe she wants any part of protesting tRump

[joshcryer]

62. People are bothered by it.

Dismissing it isn't changing anything.

Fighting about it is the intended result.

Throw the name on there and have mutual respect for one another.

Easy.

[pnwmom]

57. Leaving Hillary's name off was STUPID, but ALL the women I know who are going

are huge Hillary supporters, the person Americans -- just not the rigged Electoral College -- chose to be their President.

And none of them would want anyone to be discouraged from attending because of that mistake.

[LisaM]

63. I'm glad I"m not going to the national one.

It really gives me pause.

[joshcryer]

64. Expect there to be divisive Hillary bashers there.

Possibly even plants. And expect infighting.

Because that's the optics that the right wing wants.

And anyone dismissing it as an issue that is bothersome to people are only carrying water for the right wing who are ready to exploit it.

It must be resisted and unity must happen. No one should bash Hillary supporters at any of these rallies and if they do they should be marginalized as agents provocateurs.

[apcalc]

87. "No one should bash Hillary supporters."

You mean people might? For real? Bash Hillary suporters?
What kind of people are they?
Jeeeeeeeeeezus.

[loyalsister]

61. What exactly does "paved the way mean"?

It could very easily be turned around to suggest that she paved the way for the need to march by losing the election. I kind of doubt she wants that interpretation to gain any traction.

[joshcryer]

65. Ironic usage of name and that analogy.

As I am sure that analogy will be used during these marches against Hillary supporters.

[loyalsister]

70. She is not as universally loved as some seem to want to believe

Along with enthusiatic supporters, there were a lot of people who voted for her defensively or grudgingly, many people didn't vote at all because of dissatisfaction with both candidates.
While some are focused on her popular vote win, those who are terrified of what is to come may see her as the reason we need to march.
I personally know only a few people who voted for her with enthusiasm.

[LisaM]

74. Well, I know plenty.

But to the larger point, it would be like leaving Al Gore's name off a list for people instrumental in fighting climate change because you voted for Ralph Nader.

And this insult was intentional. Let's hope it's rectified.

[loyalsister]

79. No

Not in the least.
One of the things she did *for* women and children was promote policies that first, removed income providers from their homes, and a second that eliminated or greatly limited an alternative source of income.

Al Gore has not promoted anything close to that destructive to the climate.

[joshcryer]

102. Oh please.

Al Gore was shit on for his mansions, for his jetsetting, for everything under the sun. And some on the left actually ate it up, too. It's the same shit, different day. And you will never learn. It's called mutual respect for human beings.

[meadowlander]

82. Yes but isn't the point really

that we all want to fight climate change and who gives a shit whose name is on some stupid list?

The left loses because we tie ourselves in knots over bullshit that doesn't matter and would rather attack other people on the left while the neo-cons cheerfully strip away all our rights and undermine out democracy.

This march is about standing up for women's rights and dignity in the face of the greatest threat they've seen in most of our lifetimes. Why not spend your energy attacking Trump instead of the people organising the march? Or if you absolutely can't work with them, organise your own march.

But honestly, focusing so much on an "insult" like this makes you part of the problem.

[dionysus]

75. Good post

[joshcryer]

100. That is absolutely true, which makes it even more ironic.

You don't seem to understand that people do, genuinely, love her. And they will want to show that support for her. And being called names and ridiculed, like you do with your own post, does not endear you to them. At all. And you will never get it.

[loyalsister]

110. I don't see where I ridiculed

It is not a celebration of power and privilege. Turning it into one defeats the purpose.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

66. How were the names selected? Did organizers agree to each pick someone...

for the list and Hillary simply wasn't anyone's first choice?

I don't see Susan B. Anthony in the list either.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/584086c7be6594762f5ec56e/t/587ffb20579fb3554668c111/1484782369253/WMW+Guiding+Vision+%26+Definition+of+Principles.pdf

It's a bad oversight, I think, but maybe it was because of something silly like that?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

86. She's listed.

[HoneyBadger]

91. Whoops

[Buckeye_Democrat]

92. ...

[Arazi]

88. Or Sally Ride, Jane Goodall, Marie Curie, Rosa Parks etc etc

This is crazy petty and designed to reduce turnout and gin up the outrage machine (for the 1000th time)

[MFM008]

68. I would still go

And mill around on my own.

[dionysus]

71. THANKS BERNIE!11!

[rumdude]

84. It should have been a march for everyone!

Put away your p-ssy hats.

[yardwork]

85. The organizers are fucking assholes who helped elect Trump.

[DURHAM D]

111. Yep.

You may find this article about The Fake Activist, Linda Sarsour, who took over the march planning and made the decision interesting -

http://ikhras.com/fake-activist-exposed-the-real-linda-sarsour/

[kcr]

115. Yep. I'm so disgusted. Fucking frauds.

As soon as I found out who was behind it I wanted nothing to do with it.

[retrowire]

89. Priorities.

Stand amongst thousands of others for womens rights?

OR

Whine about one woman who wasn't invited?

Like, OH, I'M SORRY. Is this the Hillary Clinton march? Should over 4k people REALLY dedicate this much energy to one person instead of the movement as a whole? Can we PLEASE stop with the hero worship of Hillary? She did great, she would've been excellent but man, she told us all to give Trump a chance. She went home after that.

But no, let's all throw a fit over Hillary and completely miss the point of the greater feminist movement. I'm honestly betting Hillary is thinking, "Guys, please stop worrying about me and go and MARCH."

[Uponthegears]

98. Link to list of National Women's March co-chairs

Notice anything about it?????

Anything at all?????

https://www.womensmarch.com/team/

An abundance of Hillary supporters, perhaps?

But NOOOOOOO, you single out one Bernie supporter and try to make it all about an intentional slight against Hillary,

Yea, that's it, this group of women, which just happens to include one of Hillary's campaign co-chairs, got together to slap you in the face.

This is a manufactured outrage.

[joshcryer]

106. Lul, a cusory search for those people... completely debunks that.

I'm done.

[Uponthegears]

107. Hmm

CAITLIN RYAN, VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR

Caitlin Ryan has served as a strategy consultant for Deloitte and Value for Good, where she focuses on issues of modern slavery and social impact. In 2016 she served as Deputy Operations Director for the Hillary Clinton campaign in Wisconsin. Caitlin holds a Master of Public Policy from Harvard University and a Bachelor of Science in Foreign Service from Georgetown University. She is originally from Lindstrom, Minnesota

[Uponthegears]

108. Hmm part 2

JANAYE INGRAM, HEAD OF LOGISTICS

Called an “impressive leader who plays an important role in our progress toward the mountaintop,” by First Lady Michelle Obama, Janaye Ingram has spent her career empowering people and creating change for marginalized communities. She has engaged communities throughout the United States and internationally on issues like civil rights, voting rights & democracy, health care, education, economic empowerment, women's rights and activism.

[marlakay]

99. Stop talking about this!

Either go or don't but don't spread more division among women who are mostly like me and have never heard of this woman.

Hillary showed today more class by offering her hand to Pense even though he didn't take it. Go by her example.

[kcr]

116. They are the ones spreading the division. All they have to do is add Hillary's name!

The fact they refuse to do so is on them.

[retrowire]

117. Yeah!!!

The bigger picture of women's rights can take a backseat since they aren't honoring Hillary Clinton! Waaaah!

Priorities.

[nycbos]

103. I was an FO on the campaign.

I am going to the march in NYC and a lot of former Clinton FOs are going to DC.

[cry baby]

105. Sowing seeds of dissent...just when unity is beginning to prevail.

nt