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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:27 AM Jan 2017

Why the 2016 Election Treason Bothers Me so Much

I make no bones about it. There is enough evidence, real and circumstantial, to make me believe that an American running for high elective office knowingly colluded with a foreign power intent on preventing his opponent from being elected.

That is treason.

It would be treason even had it failed.

But it didn't.

And that has put a high elected official of the United States under the influence of a foreign power, compounding the treason further.

I use the term "treason" with measured care, because although we are not at war with Russia, that power is not only actively opposing American interests in economic, political, and cultural spheres throughout the world, but it has historically regarded itself as as opposed to American influence and actions on the world stage. And the foreign leader most involved in this shameful betrayal started his own career in espionage against NATO, and against America and its allies.

This morning, January 7th, only two weeks before he is due to be sworn into America's highest office with an oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States," this traitor took to the netwaves. He did not apologize for his treason, nor renounce the office obtained by lies, collusion, and betrayal to a foreign power, nor did he repudiate his Russian masters. No, he took to the netwaves to tell Americans that only "stupid people" don't want a better relationship with the foreign power that has perpetrated malignant and criminal espionage against us.

The Betrayer of the United States has made his choice. Doubtless he would have to catapult such propaganda to keep his Russian master happy, in any case. But the terms he's chosen also reveal a profound and shameful ignorance of history.

And not "history" in the sense of long-past events involving dead-and-gone people, but "history" that falls within his own lifespan. The Betrayer of the United States apparently doesn't even feel it's important to understand that history and how it affects the nation and the people he aspires to control.

There's a profound irony here, because I spent a considerable part of the 1970s and 1980s making the case against reflexive enmity with the Soviet Union, and pleading to open channels of communication and cooperation with Russia and its people.

As a Democrat, a progressive liberal, anti-war activist, anti-nuclear proliferation protester, I regarded the whole paranoid "Reds under the bed" mentality as an artifact of hard-line Cold Warrior psychosis.

But even then I never denied the very real threat to American interests represented by the USSR and its oligarchy of political bosses.

Even then I understood their pragmatic need to have America be their enemy. I did not dismiss their genuine frustration with America's technological and economic hegemony, their fear of American ideological influence, and their determination to compete, control, and win a dominant position on the world stage at the explicit expense of America, her prestige, her prosperity, and her arrogant assumption of superiority.

When communism crumbled in upon itself, I admit I cherished some naive hopes that Russians would seize the moment, reinvent their governmental structure, and forge new relationships with their former satrapies based on mutual respect and independent alliances. And perhaps, eventually, re-negotiate the rules of the "spheres of influence" games that had dominated East/West conflict for so long, to render the balance more stable and less toxic.

I said they were naive hopes.

They didn't last long. The West did little, if anything, in the way of bold or visionary outreach to restructure the channels of economic and political opportunity. The brief heyday of possibility ended with the same formerly-communist oligarchs, now transformed into burgeoning predator capitalist oligarchs, back in control.

The "Soviet" labels have been painted over. The economic tyranny of authoritarian Stalinist "communism" has been replaced with the economic tyranny of predator capitalist oligarchy, but the same people are in charge, and essentially the same rules apply.

Russian culture is rich and beautiful. The Russian language is sonorous and inspiring. Russian writers, philosophers, and artists have made amazing contributions to human evolution and the wealth of the spirit. Russian parents love their children and want the best possible futures for them. When you cut Russians, they bleed the same red blood Americans do. They suffer, they love, they laugh, they aspire, just as we do.

I don't hate Russians, and I would love to have better relationships with Russian people.

But not with Russia, the nation, and Vladimir Putin, its President. Not with the relentlessly ambitious cabal who have decades of hostility, deception, malice, and treachery towards America to fulfill. Not with a predator capitalist oligarchy that can operate only in terms of a zero-sum game where they can win only by defeating, degrading, and destroying my country.

I've lived through too much, seen too much history in my lifetime, and, unlike the Betrayer of the United States, the soon to be Traitor-in-Chief and his cowardly, unpatriotic followers, I have paid attention.

I'm not letting this one go.

I'm not dropping this.

Treason it is. Treason it remains.

adamantly,
Bright

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Why the 2016 Election Treason Bothers Me so Much (Original Post) TygrBright Jan 2017 OP
I think so. HassleCat Jan 2017 #1
definately treason putitinD Jan 2017 #2
Not necessarily. There's a whole range of punishments. TygrBright Jan 2017 #3
Yes 2naSalit Jan 2017 #4
Love your analysis and I totally agree with you. We have to resist TraitorTrump nt iluvtennis Jan 2017 #5
The real culprits are burrowowl Jan 2017 #6
I will settle for... kentuck Jan 2017 #7
The blinding mash-up of hypocrisy and irony in this whole sordid affair... Hugin Jan 2017 #8
Well said and so many of us share your views. world wide wally Jan 2017 #9
KnR Bright Hekate Jan 2017 #10
the fucking P got away with sedition for 8 years. why not go further. pansypoo53219 Jan 2017 #11
I agree with you. Very well said. nt DLevine Jan 2017 #12
Well done, Tygr! You're saying quite eloquently what Cha Jan 2017 #13
K&R brer cat Jan 2017 #14
K&R... spanone Jan 2017 #15
Saying that you're using "treason" with "measured care" doesn't make it treason onenote Jan 2017 #16
Well said. mnhtnbb Jan 2017 #17

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
3. Not necessarily. There's a whole range of punishments.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:46 AM
Jan 2017

I'm not in favor of any death penalty.

And this matter is too important and consequential for hyperbole.

In the case of the BOTUS, stripping him of his assets and sending him to jail for the rest of his life would be plenty.

seriously,
Bright

2naSalit

(86,502 posts)
4. Yes
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:50 AM
Jan 2017

I'm with you on this. Sounds like we share a common understanding of history and the responsibilities of citizenship in this nation. I am profoundly upset by this horrid situation and have no intention of letting it go either, the whole planet and life upon it is literally at stake.

What we have just witnessed and have had confirmed at the highest level is treason, there is no other more appropriate term for it. And it cannot be left unaddressed, not for another day. Your eloquent explanation is very much the same as what I have been trying to put into words for two months, thank you.

2na

burrowowl

(17,636 posts)
6. The real culprits are
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:34 AM
Jan 2017

present day robber barons and the ignorance of the American people started under Raygun.

Hugin

(33,109 posts)
8. The blinding mash-up of hypocrisy and irony in this whole sordid affair...
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:19 AM
Jan 2017

to me, is that this coup was driven by children and grand-children of the biggest leaders of the rabid red-scare "Russkie" haters. Except for the Koch's. Their Dad was tight with Stalin.

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
9. Well said and so many of us share your views.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 04:26 AM
Jan 2017

I have always thought of myself as a patriot because I learned that was a good thing to be as a child. As I grew up and lived through the War in Vietnam, 9/11, Iraq and so forth even in my opposition to wars, I felt I was doing it from a sense of patriotism. I wanted our country to do what was right and that did not include waging war all over the planet.
As we face this new debacle and our relationship with Russia, i can't help but think of how we have come full circle in our collective history. We were once colonies of England and now we face becoming colonies of Russia. There is no question that Putin is pulling the strings and Trump is just a greedy puppet. My sense of patriotism is still there, but I feel like I don't have a country to be patriotic to. I have been around too long to pretend the GOP controlled country will do anything out of a sense of patriotism even though they use the word when it suits their purpose.
We are in a load of trouble right now. As I said in another post, we know Trump colluded with a sworn enemy and now we are about to turn out country over to him to do as he pleases for Mother Russia. It amazes me that we go into this knowing what happened and still we will do it and nobody will stop it.
My only question right now is how the fuck did we last as a country for 240 years?

Cha

(297,029 posts)
13. Well done, Tygr! You're saying quite eloquently what
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:59 AM
Jan 2017

the US Media should be reporting on and pounding it.

But, I don't think we'd be in this Global Crisis if they had done their job in the first place.

onenote

(42,661 posts)
16. Saying that you're using "treason" with "measured care" doesn't make it treason
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 11:47 AM
Jan 2017

Crimes have been committed. Punishment is warranted. But not for treason. That crime has a very specific, very narrow definition -- and whatever occurred here doesn't qualify.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1658884

And let's be clear -- "colluding" with a foreign government who wanted to influence the outcome of the election isn't the issue. Leaders of France and Italy publicly endorsed Clinton, presumably because they felt it was in their nations' best interest for her to be elected. If they had coordinated their endorsements with the Clinton campaign, that wouldn't bother me in the least.

The issue here is that the Russians acted surreptitiously and used unlawful means of accessing emails to further their agenda. And to the extent Trump's campaign colluded with those efforts, they should definitely be held responsible.

mnhtnbb

(31,381 posts)
17. Well said.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 11:50 AM
Jan 2017

I will be resisting the Trump regime. He will never be my president. I will support any and all organized resistance
focused on removing Trump from office.

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