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deminks

(11,006 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:24 AM Dec 2016

This is forensic! Its indisputable: Former CIA operative slams Trump for dismissing Russian hacks

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/this-is-forensic-its-indisputable-former-cia-operative-slams-trump-for-dismissing-russian-hacks/

Former CIA operative Bob Baer is shocked that President-elect Donald Trump and his Republican allies are ignoring what he calls “forensic information” and “computer DNA.”

“I think he hacked the elections,” Baer said of Russian President Vladimir Putin. “The FBI came out today and put out a report. This is forensic information. He manipulated our election and now he’s manipulating our politics. The fact they didn’t expel any American diplomats from Moscow and he turns around and says, ‘Trump is just the man we can deal with,’ this is just extraordinary.”

(snip)

“And the fact that Trump has not reacted is incredible,” he continued. “This FBI information is forensic. It is the same sort of evidence they send people to jail on. It is computer DNA. It is indisputable at this point.”

CNN host Kate Bolduan remarked that it was interesting Baer laid out the argument that way because former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani questioned the evidence, claiming it might be political. Giuliani said that Trump will get his own team to look through the intelligence report given the politics or the possibility of the intelligence being wrong.

“It is going to be the same stuff,” Baer explained. “But what Giuliani misses, this isn’t intelligence. This isn’t assessments. This isn’t people trying to get into Putin’s mind. This is forensics. It is DNA. And this is what they are all missing and it is every single intelligence agency in the United States government that this is just a fact.”
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This is forensic! Its indisputable: Former CIA operative slams Trump for dismissing Russian hacks (Original Post) deminks Dec 2016 OP
They're ignoring it because they either knew about or were on on it Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #1
Yes! They are guilty of something! Connected to the whole she-bang! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #22
The geeks disagree HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #2
hmmm, that's too bad Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #7
Yes-- it's always a matter of cui bono ailsagirl Dec 2016 #19
The geeks are either CT peddlers meow2u3 Dec 2016 #8
SOME geeks disagree unc70 Dec 2016 #10
thanks for that perspective... personally, I have no clue how to evaluate this stuff Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #23
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #33
Internet geeks vs. the CIA and FBI. hadEnuf Dec 2016 #12
Even the banned geeks disagree HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #17
Definitely queen geek HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #20
link is here Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #25
This is when we need Lisbeth Salander. pangaia Dec 2016 #35
This is false on its face, .. that's like saying climate scientist disagree... SOME climate scientis uponit7771 Dec 2016 #32
'scientists' also say climate change is a hoax nini Jan 2017 #39
He should be slamming greenwald, tucker, and taibbi, too.. for enabling Cha Dec 2016 #3
Ugh! Tucker Carlson. So hate that guy. Backpfeifengesicht! smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #9
Tucker wearing a grown-up tie? Must be a photo-shop... Thor_MN Dec 2016 #13
Ugh, Greenwald is on my shit list permanently now Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #24
Sure as hell hope the intelligence agencies aren't shackled democratisphere Dec 2016 #4
But.. but.. but.. emails! Amimnoch Dec 2016 #5
IOKIYAR pbrower2a Dec 2016 #18
M$Greedia is calling it malaise Dec 2016 #6
I know, right! Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #14
Has Obama changed his position? Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #11
"the same sort of evidence they send people to jail on." panader0 Dec 2016 #15
a herd of idiots come to Donnie's defense Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #16
"Deplorables" to the rescue! pbrower2a Dec 2016 #21
He basically followed Hitler's playbook! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #26
A herd of millions. FFS, where do we live now. I expect Alex Jones to soon be the lead on Fox News, RKP5637 Dec 2016 #27
Deep breath and have Good start to the New Year Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #28
... RKP5637 Dec 2016 #29
Fucking CNN triron Dec 2016 #30
This link has nothing to do with this hack, but everything to do with the hackers HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #31
See Putin's yooooge party tonight to celebrate putting his lackey Trump in the WH. keithbvadu2 Dec 2016 #34
The Republicans Will Sweep this Under the Rug dlk Dec 2016 #36
Will it do any good to bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #37
But Trump says it's a 400-pound guy lying in his bed. tclambert Jan 2017 #38
"It's forensics. It's computer DNA." AmericanActivist Jan 2017 #40

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
1. They're ignoring it because they either knew about or were on on it
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:33 AM
Dec 2016

Based on Mitch McConnell's behavior, I'd say the latter.

This story must be kept alive on social media because the mainstream media also wants to ignore it. HELL NO! This is treason and the idiots who support Trump must be at least confronted with the truth.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
22. Yes! They are guilty of something! Connected to the whole she-bang!
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:52 AM
Dec 2016

They know their asses are on the line. Their shit is fried!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
7. hmmm, that's too bad
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:20 AM
Dec 2016

but I think for me, the case is not so much based on computer forensics but on the issue of who benefits and the Trump-Putin ties etc

ailsagirl

(22,837 posts)
19. Yes-- it's always a matter of cui bono
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

And in THIS case, it's a no-brainer

And yet, the status quo is allowed to stand. Unbelievable

meow2u3

(24,743 posts)
8. The geeks are either CT peddlers
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:33 AM
Dec 2016

or they're working for the russkies. Either way, they're part of the coup.

unc70

(6,094 posts)
10. SOME geeks disagree
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:54 AM
Dec 2016

While a couple of posters on that blog are in security, the level of technical expertise seems fairly low. That discussion is about like many here.

I am, or was, one of those geeks, though no longer in the trenches on a daily basis. I have started to dig around in this a bit. So far, I tend to believe the Obama version of things as more or less valid. I need to do a bit of nosing around.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
17. Even the banned geeks disagree
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:20 AM
Dec 2016

MOSCOW — The blacklist includes two people suspected of cybercrimes, and four others who are military intelligence officers. All are the kinds of figures one might expect to be on a list of people targeted by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russia’s malfeasance, including efforts to influence the 2016 election.
Then there is the one who calls herself “mishacker,” a globe-trotter with a rebellious online persona who is perhaps the most intriguing of the newly revealed Russian spies.
On what appears to be her personal website, called “Hello, stranger,” that person, Alisa Shevchenko, introduces herself and expounds on some of her digital accomplishments, including setting up a work space for hackers in Moscow.
“My name is Alisa,” the site reads. “I am a human being. Part misfit, part mishacker. A businesswoman in the past as well as in a possible future. Currently I am mostly working on vulnerabilities and exploits, while striving to minimize entropy in the process.”
The White House identified the company Ms. Shevchenko founded, Zor Security, as a supplier to the Russian military’s Main Intelligence Directorate, or G.R.U., the group said to be behind the hacking attacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations. The United States government said the company provided technical support to the G.R.U. for the attacks.
Ms. Shevchenko had been a minor celebrity in Moscow computer industry circles as a “legal” hacker. An article in the Russian edition of Forbes magazine in 2014 described the work of her business as discovering security flaws in the software of banks and other institutions.
And a year before the United States government applied sanctions against her company, the Department of Homeland Security said she had helped prevent cybercrime under a program of information sharing between the public and private sector. Ms. Shevchenko was said to have assisted a French company, Schneider Electric, in identifying vulnerabilities in its software.
Ms. Shevchenko was recognized in a notice from the department’s Industrial Control Systems Cyber Emergency Response Team, set up to coordinate between the government and industry to protect “the nation’s critical infrastructure.”
This nod from the American government illustrates Ms. Shevchenko’s ambiguous role and, more broadly, the diversity of people believed to be working inside Russia’s government hacking program. The inclusion of Ms. Shevchenko’s company on the American sanctions list sheds light on the sprawling scope of the effort, which drew in students, civilians and possibly criminal hackers to bolster the military and intelligence agencies’ cyberwar abilities.
Praised in the Russian news media as a young talent in 2005, when she was just 21, Ms. Shevchenko worked on cyberdefense projects but embraced the symbols and parlance of criminal hackers.
She has tattoos and often posts messages on Twitter under the handle “badd1e.”
In a flurry of Twitter posts on Friday, Ms. Shevchenko mocked an American sanctioning agency, the Office of Foreign Assets Control, with a vulgarism, and said that she had already closed Zor Security.
A message sent to Ms. Shevchenko’s Twitter account was not answered Friday.
“How my little simple company (closed long ago at that) could possibly appear in the same list with the FSB and international terrorists,” she wrote, using the initials of the Russian name of the Federal Security Service, the successor to the K.G.B.
The Forbes article identified Ms. Shevchenko as the winner of a hacking contest in 2014, in which she had found her way into industrial control software used for such things as running electrical power plants and grids.
“I didn’t expect such triviality,” she was quoted as saying after winning the contest. She said she found “around 10 vulnerabilities in just a few hours.”
On her website, Ms. Shevchenko posted a link to a blog entry on the award she won.
“If exploited in real life, discovered vulnerabilities could cause harmful consequences, such as denial of service, functional failure of critical infrastructure management systems, which in its turn may disrupt normal life of an entire city,” the blog post said of her hack.
Her Twitter feed cultivates the persona of a digital rebel.
In Moscow, her website said, Ms. Shevchenko founded a working space for hackers in the Chistye Prudy neighborhood of the capital, called Neuron Hackspace, also ostensibly for legitimate security purposes.
The more prominent of the two cybercriminal suspects designated in the sanctions announced by the Obama administration was Yevgeny M. Bogachev, who the Treasury Department said was a developer of malicious software. One product, called Zeus, was used to steal bank account information, while another, Cryptolocker, scrambled the system of victims until they paid a ransom, according to the Treasury Department. The sanction notice said Mr. Bogachev had stolen about $100 million from American companies and government agencies.
While the Treasury Department imposed sanctions on Mr. Bogachev for criminal activities rather than political ones, at times in Russia’s digital underworld, the distinction is one without a difference.
In the current wave of Russian politicized hacking, code from the Zeus malware showed up in phishing attacks, according to Dmitri Alperovitch, a co-founder and the chief technology officer of the American cybersecurity company CrowdStrike.
The Treasury Department also imposed sanctions on Aleksei A. Belan, who is accused in the theft of email addresses and passwords from customers of three e-commerce companies.
“The fact is, the Russian system of mathematical education is quite good,” Anton M. Shingarev, a vice president at Kaspersky, a Russian antivirus company, said in an interview. “And it produces a lot of computer programmers. And this is the reason why there are a lot of Russian hackers.”
 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
20. Definitely queen geek
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:29 AM
Dec 2016
http://blog.ptsecurity.com/2015/05/schneider-electric-thanks-winner-of.html

Schneider Electric Thanks the Winner of the Positive Hack Days Hacker Contest

Early April, Schneider Electric has released several updates and patches fixing vulnerabilities in the software used for creating SCADA and HMI systems at nuclear power plants, chemical plants and other critical units.

The vulnerabilities which even a novice attacker could exploit were found in InduSoft Web Studio 7.1.3.2, InTouch Machine Edition 2014 7.1.3.2 as well as previous versions of these products. Among bugs fixed — arbitrary code execution and non-encrypted storage/transfer of sensitive data. The vendor recommends downloading the new patches as soon as possible.

Ilya Karpov and Kirill Nesterov, Positive Technologies researchers, detected the vulnerabilities during an ICS security analysis. Meanwhile, many bugs in those products were independently revealed by the participants of the Critical Infrastructure Attack contest held in May 2014 at the international infosec conference Positive Hack Days IV.

Schneider Electric thanked the contest winner, Alisa Shevchenko (Esage Lab), for the vulnerabilities she identified.

The first PHDays contest in analyzing ICS security was held in 2013 when security experts at Positive Technologies laboratory developed a railway model, whose components (trains, railroad crossing gates, and cranes) were controlled by an ICS based on three real SCADA systems and three industrial controllers.

In 2014, the contest infrastructure was significantly changed to allow detection of zero-day vulnerabilities within a wider range of systems and industrial protocols including: transport, city lighting system, power plants and various robots.



In the competition scenario, SCADA systems and controllers are used at critical installations within various industries. If exploited in a real life situation, these vulnerabilities could have very serious consequences. According to the responsible disclosure policy, Critical Infrastructure Attack contestants must notify respective vendors about vulnerabilities they detected. Details about the vulnerabilities are available upon the fixes being disclosed by the vendor.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
32. This is false on its face, .. that's like saying climate scientist disagree... SOME climate scientis
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 02:48 PM
Dec 2016

... disagree and its a small fringe of them not the majorty

nini

(16,670 posts)
39. 'scientists' also say climate change is a hoax
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 01:01 AM
Jan 2017

you'll always find someone to try and get people to ignore facts.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
3. He should be slamming greenwald, tucker, and taibbi, too.. for enabling
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:34 AM
Dec 2016

trump.


Jonathan Chait
✔ ?@jonathanchait
Tucker Carlson and Glenn Greenwald unite to dismiss Russian hacking story http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/12/glenn-greenwald-tucker-carlson-unite-to-dismiss-russian-hacking-allegations.html
12:15 PM - 29 Dec 2016
162 162 Retweets 181 181 likes

‘This is forensic! It’s indisputable’: Former CIA operative slams Trump for dismissing Russian hacks

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/this-is-forensic-its-indisputable-former-cia-operative-slams-trump-for-dismissing-russian-hacks/

Thank you, deminks..

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
13. Tucker wearing a grown-up tie? Must be a photo-shop...
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:50 AM
Dec 2016

He usually wears little boy ties...

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
24. Ugh, Greenwald is on my shit list permanently now
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 12:16 PM
Dec 2016

he was always a little iffy, but he's totally gone to the dark side now

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
4. Sure as hell hope the intelligence agencies aren't shackled
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:44 AM
Dec 2016

and muted about reality and truth. It is unthinkable that this is happening: The Really Bad Guys are good guys....Move on.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
5. But.. but.. but.. emails!
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:18 AM
Dec 2016

I'm so fucking fed up with the blantant double standards I want to fucking scream!!!

Imagine.. for just one fucking second.. If Hillary had "questioned the evidence, and claimed it might be political." Then followed up with "I'm going to get my own team to look through the reports given the politics or the possibility of the investigation being wrong."

Why the fuck does he get continuous free passes on this shit that NOBODY in or elected to that office has ever gotten??

Perhaps Richard Nixon should have just been allowed to conduct his own investigation into Watergate?

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
18. IOKIYAR
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

The Republican Party has become an authoritarian Party.. one that has come to believe only in its own power and service to its special-interest groups. It has placed its Leader above any judgment, as is true of a Communist, fascist, or Ba'athist Party. It now treats ideology and loyalty to the Leader as the definitive truth even above scientific reality.

I wish that I could do mock-ups.... Donald Trump is so bad that I could almost take an image of George III and add the words "Miss Me Yet?"

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,846 posts)
11. Has Obama changed his position?
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 10:11 AM
Dec 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/us/politics/hacking-russia-election-fears-barack-obama-donald-trump.html
The recount efforts have generated pushback by experts who said it would be enormously difficult to hack voting machines on a large scale. The administration, in its statement, confirmed reports from the Department of Homeland Security and intelligence officials that they did not see “any increased level of malicious cyberactivity aimed at disrupting our electoral process on Election Day.”

The administration said it remained “confident in the overall integrity of electoral infrastructure, a confidence that was borne out.” It added: “As a result, we believe our elections were free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective.”


What kind of hacking is Baer talking about? The stuff that we've known about for months, like the DNC leaks? Fake news? Fake news is nothing new in this country.... Republicans do it constantly!

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
21. "Deplorables" to the rescue!
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:36 AM
Dec 2016

Donald Trump is one of the most deplorable people ever in American politics (the worst is David Curtis Stephenson, charismatic Grand Dragon of the KKK in the 1920s, who has remarkable similarities to Hitler, much as the KKK has to Nazism)... and vile people like mobsters have their groupies.

Donald Trump was clever enough to get people to have an emotional stake in his political success; that stake is tied to defenses of personal egos. Do I need to tell you that he well heeded the advice of Hitler to keep his level of communication at the lowest of intellectual levels? He did that -- and he is stuck with defending some real stupidity.

He has attached himself to some incredible vulgarity. He sounds like someone who just won the Super-Duper Megabucks Lottery, a dream of many people who have no other way to get rich. Thus the gold toilet... Most of his supporters are neither educated nor entrepreneurial, and one must be one or the other to escape the misery of life for unskilled workers or people with machine-paced work unless one wins the Super-Duper Megabucks Lottery. But those people will back him until he stabs them in the back.

The 'deplorable bucket' includes people hostile to the successful members of minority groups who have things fairly well... and because of their learning and work they are successes. But those middle-class minorities leave under-educated white people, the sorts amenable to the callow pitches of Donald Trump, behind. The Trump supporters with their "Make America Great Again" baseball caps have much to defend, no matter how indefensible such is.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
27. A herd of millions. FFS, where do we live now. I expect Alex Jones to soon be the lead on Fox News,
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 12:40 PM
Dec 2016

news you can trust, FFS!

triron

(21,914 posts)
30. Fucking CNN
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 01:57 PM
Dec 2016

ignoring what Baer is saying! Trump is in on it already you fucking idiots!
And you (the media) are aiding and abetting him on this. It is horrendous what you are doing. wake the fuck up!

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
31. This link has nothing to do with this hack, but everything to do with the hackers
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 02:23 PM
Dec 2016

This white paper is along the lines of what the geeks were looking for from the 17 intelligence agencies vs what they actually got. Warning, it is written to some degree in geek.

https://www.f-secure.com/documents/996508/1030745/dukes_whitepaper.pdf

Note this from p26

This leaves us with the final question: which country? We are unable to conclusively prove responsibility of any specific country for the Dukes. All of the available evidence however does in our opinion suggest that the group operates on behalf of the Russian Federation. Further, we are currently unaware of any evidence disproving this theory.

keithbvadu2

(36,360 posts)
34. See Putin's yooooge party tonight to celebrate putting his lackey Trump in the WH.
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:11 PM
Dec 2016

See Putin's yooooge party tonight to celebrate putting his lackey Trump in the WH.

dlk

(11,425 posts)
36. The Republicans Will Sweep this Under the Rug
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:06 PM
Dec 2016

Since the Republican Party has no moral compass or conscience and believes in winning at all costs, they will just sweep this under the rug. It's only a crime if the Democrats do it.

bucolic_frolic

(42,651 posts)
37. Will it do any good to
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:08 PM
Dec 2016

watch a good WWII movie where the Nazi's get it really good, like
"Where Eagles Dare"?

You knew who the bad guys were back then. Now they're in power
under a different name.

I'm no Clint Eastwood fan but that was a great movie, very controversial
at the time, released in 1968 about the time of the Czech invasion.

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
38. But Trump says it's a 400-pound guy lying in his bed.
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 12:55 AM
Jan 2017

Are you saying the 400-pound guy is Russian? And what makes Trump such an expert on what 400-pound guys do in their beds?

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