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(70,497 posts)still_one
(91,968 posts)karynnj
(59,475 posts)He is articulating a hopeful, idealistic case for the two state solution -- thrashing meme after meme of the Netanyahu/ RW "pro-Israel" (as labeled by its proponents).
still_one
(91,968 posts)karynnj
(59,475 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)he may be able to bully and intimidate given our power, but no one's going to follow his leadership on anything, because he's not a leader.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)have to confront the reality that America is being run by a person who is completely untrustworthy and unpredictable.
Decisions, by other countries, may need to be made about whether or not we should have nuclear weapons, at all.
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)"Seen war and destruction that has gone on too long. .... Two state solution is in (dire) jeopardy..."
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Netanyahu isn't even particularly religious.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)....religion to be very useful. Autocrats don't have to believe in anything outside themselves -- however, the world has certainly seen many religious ones.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)They are not using Deuteronomy and Leviticus as their legal code.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... during that time. It was secular Jews who were the vanguard for the realization of Zionism.
Now, the roles are reversed. Many secular Jews like myself are calling for a binational state, whereas the religious zealots want to expand the State of Israel's borders.
Full circle, we've come.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Consider their citizenship qualification process
Law of Return
The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic claim Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel. In the 1970s the Law of Return was expanded to grant the same rights to the spouse of a Jew, the children of a Jew and their spouses, and the grandchildren of a Jew and their spouses, provided that the Jew did not practice a religion other than Judaism willingly. In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism are not entitled to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews under the Law of Return, irrespective of their status under halacha (Jewish religious law).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'm sorry - it just seems wrong to me.
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just cannot get used to hearing it without thinking it is an error.
BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)
but used with a form of the verb "have," it is correct, LOL.
http://snarkygrammarguide.blogspot.com/2012/09/swam-vs-swum-dont-be-afraid-of.html
Swum is a participle used in the present perfect and past perfect tenses, to emphasize that an event has either recently been completed (present perfect, with 'have') or completed in the distant past (past perfect, with 'had').
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is always wrong, I think. Which is why "swum" sounds wrong to me.
BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)verb. So its correct past and past participle forms are both "dragged."
Apparently, some incorrectly use "drug" as a past tense in some parts of the country and it is "accepted." But the correct grammatical form is "dragged."
The statement reads like this: "I have climbed ..., swum ..., and piloted ...." The initial "have" is applicable to and used with the participles of the verbs following. Both "climb" and "pilot" are regular verbs. "Swim" is an irregular verb, which is why its participle "swum" sounds somewhat jarring.
Sorry, an early incarnation as an English teacher occasionally resurfaces.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)What a great cheat sheet!
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Igel
(35,199 posts)I've heard "swum" used as simple preterite. It's non-standard, but a lot of strong verb paradigms are in a kind of flux in the US.
In the OP the auxiliary's ellipted and so the bare past participle has the feel of a preterite.
(Of course, were it the preterite, it would be infelicitous on other grounds, but we're more forgiving of tense-sequence screw ups than botched verbal morphology.)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,161 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe I avoided the construction entirely.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Israel's colonial settlement industry is making sure of that.
karynnj
(59,475 posts)He countered that the resolution was against the "shared values" of Israel and the US - but is consistent with our values.
tritsofme
(17,325 posts)UTUSN
(70,497 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)karynnj
(59,475 posts)Schumer is dishonest in his objections -- which really are as basic as they are not what Israel wants. The fact, Netanyahu is acting against his own stated value that he favors a two state solution. He likely told the truth shortly before the last election when he said there would be no 2 state solution while he was PM -- then took it back after he won. Netanyahu lied one of those two times.
It would be interesting to know what Schumer actually believes in on the basic issues. He has to have opinions.
tritsofme
(17,325 posts)Something I have been far from shy about here, stretching back to 2004.
And his recent actions only confirm my extreme distaste.
This is obviously Kerry's last hurrah, but I hope that our strong leaders and actual friends of Israel like Senator Schumer work so that the people behind this travesty in our own government become so toxic that they are excluded from future Democratic administrations.
karynnj
(59,475 posts)As a Jew, I think Netanyahu has made the current Israeli government so toxic, that most synagogues that are reform, reconstructionist or conservative have found that having any Israel programming is problematic -- unless it was Israeli dance, food, culture etc.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I'm sure you'll be much happier with Trump.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Benjamin Netanyahu isn't working honestly for an actual peace. He continues to expand settlements which demonstrates his active hatred for Palestinians.
Netanyahu should face the ICC for his actions as Prime Minister. Schumer should feel shame for supporting him.
blm
(112,920 posts)Destructively narrow.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)The Likud party and the Netanyahu administration are PIGS. Many American Jews reject their extremist, right wing, neo-con bullshit.
tritsofme
(17,325 posts)The anti-Semitic trope of Jews as pigs is as old as time, and pretty obvious.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)You know who isn't a pig? Al Franken. John Stewart. Bernie Sanders. There are many jewish people that I look up to and admire. So spare me your phony accusations of anti-Semitism. Its not gonna fly with me.
Pigs is used as an insult against Muslims, police officers and countless other folks. Its not some special slur reserved for those of Jewish ancestry.
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Xipe Totec
(43,872 posts)and his disgusting disrespect for Obama.
malaise
(267,847 posts)That is all
Me.
(35,454 posts)Once again he stood with Netanyahu against our president
procon
(15,805 posts)mountain grammy
(26,573 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,161 posts)If so, why? What is good about them?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)If Israel attempts to implement a single state solution with the Palestinians within its borders, it has to be an autocratic religious state in order to remain Jewish. Otherwise, if it attempts to be a Democracy, it will have to give those Palestinians within its borders the right to vote and they will vote and they will vote for the state to not be Jewish.
Kerry's statement wasn't just right and it wasn't just elegant and philosophical, it ends up being a test for who will knee-jerk themselves into not understanding it because they are so biased they can't sit still long enough to think about it.
UTUSN
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(70,497 posts)Unlike Arabs living in Israel, who are Israeli citizens.
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(70,497 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Just last year the Iranian Ayatollah was calling for the destruction of Israel.
malaise
(267,847 posts)plain and simple
spanone
(135,637 posts)YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...is amazing and I'm so glad it is getting coverage.
Have to go out, but will return to this thread later. 🇺🇸
spanone
(135,637 posts)UTUSN
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(70,497 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)He has no idea what Kerry is talking about is my guess...
Kerry, as always, is speaking truth to power... Hope he stays vocal...
When does Israel's election happen? Sounds like Netanyahu needs to go...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I hope people listen instead of going into their corners to get ready to fight.
xor
(1,204 posts)I feel pretty confident that no one is listening to anything that anyone is saying. Well, maybe not 'no one', but the vast majority are just waiting for their turn to "talk at" the other side.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)He is a true statesman. I am very proud that he represented us in the world.
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)until we saw the final version."
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Clearly he's speaking to the international community, not the nimwit 'Murkins in this country. We are going to have to rely on Europe to be the parents in this situation.
I would argue that Kerry has been one of the best Secretaries of State in the modern era. He has navigated so many political landmines with grace, strength, and conviction. He is well-respected across the globe.
It makes me ill to think of who and what will follow him.
UTUSN
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(70,497 posts)nolabear
(41,915 posts)I'm so glad they're stepping up and making these bold statements about who we really are as a country now, before the barbarians take over.
UTUSN
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(70,497 posts)Oh, and Andrea MITCHELL will be *exclusively* interviewing KERRY next!1
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)What did DRUMPF get out of the speech, that Israel "USED TO HAVE A FRIEND IN U.S."
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Hekate
(90,202 posts)spanone
(135,637 posts)a hard line right-wing-nut
Hekate
(90,202 posts)This is his swan song in this arena.
Thank you, sir.
karynnj
(59,475 posts)I asked myself after listening to this excellent speech, who he was really talking to -- clearly to Israel, the international community. True, he may harbor a hope, but not expectation, that Trump's team would maybe listen and learn something. It might be to speak to Democrats, who in a time of fear because of this election and others are so chicken they are backing Netanyahu over Obama - even as Netanyahu, seems increasingly out of control.
I think though he is also speaking to history, to his values, from his conscience as well as his heart. I will miss having this eloquent, compassionate man, who really does have a heart and conscience that both guide his work.
Yes, it is his swan song as Secretary ... but, like both Obama and Loretta Lynch, he has said that he will continue to speak out on things that are important to him. It is worth noting that he was an activist (on both the war and environment) before he ran for office. I look forward to seeing these three "unrestrained" as Obama said referring to himself.
Hekate
(90,202 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)
It looks like the whole of the Obama administration is still working away during this supposed holiday vacation period, including the POTUS, who keeps signing EOs and commutations while the opposition at DU complains about his choice of golf venue in his home state.
Damn I am going to miss them all.
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)spanone
(135,637 posts)he's a right-wing mouthpiece for netanyahu
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)I can only think that Netanyahu appointed him to the UN job as a big 'f**k you' to the UN/the rule of international law.
from 2012:
Im working very hard to present a different approach for the peace process, Danon told JTA in a recent interview in his Knesset office. Our goal should be to annex the maximum land with the minimum Arab population, he said of the West Bank. We should speak about our rights and not apologize for it. We have biblical rights, historical rights, rights according to international law. We also have common-sense rights: We won the war.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/for_knessets_danny_danon_unapologetic_israeli_nationalism_is_key_to_politic
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)My apologies to onions.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)People are going to focus on one part or another depending on their POV, but I think it is quite a fair assessment of the situation.
karynnj
(59,475 posts)mountain grammy
(26,573 posts)for faithfully serving our country and our president.
BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)by Kerry. In many ways, I am sorry that it wasn't given sooner.
But it HAD to be said and he said it well. After Jan 20, Trump will do everything Netanyahu and his "Greater Israel" coalition ask - and we'll all be the worse for it.
In recent developments, Donald Trump has confirmed his support of Israels illegal settlements and his opposition to the United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334, which confirms the illegality of the Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
karynnj
(59,475 posts)Trump. The fact is that the respect other countries had for the entire Obama administration allowed them the ability to advocate for Israel and to moderate various reactions. This was not based on US threats or fear the US would be angry, but a genuine respect when the US said that doing that would be helpful.
BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)right about this.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There really was potential for a breakthrough if they had voted for someone more like Rabin.
BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)But I'm afraid that their radical RW is firmly in power.
Most Israelis I know personally are as unhappy about these deplorables as we are about Trump.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)For what that is worth.
BlueMTexpat
(15,350 posts)for the future ... if we survive that long.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... statistics for the last election; demographics and the like?
Thanks.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There was a site that broke down the voting by town/municipality that I can see if I can find.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... that come with every election. I can Google it, but thought you may have something at the ready.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe you are thinking of US elections?
This is what I was talking about:
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/1.647590
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Just didn't know how to ask it, I suppose.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)DFW
(54,059 posts)But after November 8th, we are hardly in a position to point fingers.
SpankMe
(2,937 posts)I wish many other of his speeches were delivered that way.