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KERRY is killing it. "Friends need to tell friends the truth." (Original Post) UTUSN Dec 2016 OP
"No American administration has done more for Israel than Barack OBAMA's." UTUSN Dec 2016 #1
Unfortunately, it won't matter after the 20th still_one Dec 2016 #2
Not sure - his audience may be international karynnj Dec 2016 #7
Internationally you are absolutely right, but the "new Amerika", will not agree to it still_one Dec 2016 #10
Agree completely - and think that Trump may actually limit how much we can lead karynnj Dec 2016 #13
the US won't lead at all under Trump. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #60
Leading wont happen at all, in fact most of the human family is gonna Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #77
"I have climbed Masada, swum in the Dead Sea, piloted a jet in its limited air space... " UTUSN Dec 2016 #3
"Israel can either be Jewish or democratic. It cannot be both." UTUSN Dec 2016 #5
Either a theocracy or a democracy. That is the sad truth, once you wrap your head around it. Hekate Dec 2016 #51
Definitely not a theocracy oberliner Dec 2016 #56
The Ultra Orthodox have the final say in nearly everything. And Autocrats find the structure of... Hekate Dec 2016 #63
Still not a theocracy oberliner Dec 2016 #80
What's ironic was that ultra-orthodox did not want the creation of the State of Israel ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #103
Israel is the Jewish state HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #72
I still cannot accept that "swum" is a word oberliner Dec 2016 #55
Blame me, not KERRY. n/t UTUSN Dec 2016 #67
I blame myself oberliner Dec 2016 #71
It may look and sound strange, BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #73
How about "drug" in the same context? oberliner Dec 2016 #74
"Drag" is a regular BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #84
To help with regular vs. irregular verbs ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #104
Thanks, FA! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #107
You're very welcome! Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #115
That's the problem. Igel Dec 2016 #93
LOL BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #94
What did you used to say before you found out that 'swum' is correct? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #111
Swam, probably oberliner Dec 2016 #113
It's nigh impossible with all the facts on the ground. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #102
He is giving a wonderful response to all the nasty anger of Netanyahu karynnj Dec 2016 #4
Chuck Schumer speaks for me, not that man. tritsofme Dec 2016 #6
I'm interested in an explanation. UTUSN Dec 2016 #8
? n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #9
Well, there is no politician I have ever respected as much as Secretary Kerry .. and he is right. karynnj Dec 2016 #12
There are few Democratic politicians I have had less respect for over the years than Kerry tritsofme Dec 2016 #24
Likewise, I have been a long time member of the John Kerry DU group karynnj Dec 2016 #32
Why is kissing Israel's ass a job requirement in the US government, in your opinion? geek tragedy Dec 2016 #62
Real friends tell you when you're wrong mythology Dec 2016 #69
Then I judge your comprehension and perception skills no differently than those of the BibizBoyz. blm Dec 2016 #76
Then those few politicians must be doing something right. phleshdef Dec 2016 #96
Do you really need to employ anti-Semitic canards to make your point? tritsofme Dec 2016 #108
Donald Trump is a pig. Vladmir Putin is a pig. Netanyahu is a pig. phleshdef Dec 2016 #110
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #47
A little over the line, I think, considering Netanyahu's meddling in US politics Xipe Totec Dec 2016 #50
+1,000 malaise Dec 2016 #97
Schumer Doesn't Speak For Me Me. Dec 2016 #53
We should first speak for America's interests, not those of a foreign government. nt procon Dec 2016 #61
I disagree. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #66
No, the tyrant Netanyahu speaks for you. phleshdef Dec 2016 #95
+1 Thank you for speaking up. I agree with you. grossproffit Dec 2016 #109
Are you in favour of more settlements, then? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #112
If you objected to it, you don't understand it. stevenleser Dec 2016 #119
"The Israeli P.M. (administration) the most Right wing (ever) driven by most extreme elements" UTUSN Dec 2016 #11
"be clear: Settlement expansion has nothing to do with Israel's security." UTUSN Dec 2016 #14
"Does anyone believe the settlers would submit to Palestinian rule?" UTUSN Dec 2016 #15
"trend to take West Bank for Israel. Off limits to Palestinian development." UTUSN Dec 2016 #16
"They believe in one state: Greater Israel." UTUSN Dec 2016 #17
"Where it leads: Separate and unequal. Would any in Israel accept that, in U.S., for themselves?" UTUSN Dec 2016 #18
"Iran ready for new relationship. It all depends on Two State solution." UTUSN Dec 2016 #21
Bullshit NobodyHere Dec 2016 #82
It's land theft malaise Dec 2016 #98
K&R... spanone Dec 2016 #19
Thank God for John Kerry. This... YvonneCa Dec 2016 #20
i imagine trump is bored and has turned to the cartoon channel. spanone Dec 2016 #22
"Our vote (abstention) was to save the Two State solution." UTUSN Dec 2016 #23
"That story was not written last week. It was written in 1987, Ronald RAYGUN." UTUSN Dec 2016 #25
"We reject the criticism that the U.S. abandoned Israel." UTUSN Dec 2016 #26
"be clear: 'occupied territory' - nothing new back to RAYGUN/GHW BUSH." UTUSN Dec 2016 #28
Trump's head is spinning... Satch59 Dec 2016 #27
Kerry certainly knows how to make a good argument! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #29
I haven't really been following what happened and is happening with all this, but xor Dec 2016 #45
K & R femmocrat Dec 2016 #30
"The U.S. did NOT draft or (push forward) the resolution. Made clear OBAMA would not make decision UTUSN Dec 2016 #31
We missed out on a great President :( Tatiana Dec 2016 #33
"Pres.CLINTON deserves great credit 16 yrs ago. Now we're at the (starting over) again" UTUSN Dec 2016 #34
"Principle 1: Clear & secure international boundary with Palestine/state... based on 1967" UTUSN Dec 2016 #35
"Principle 2: Two states with mutual recognition & equal rights for both peoples in either state" UTUSN Dec 2016 #36
"Principle 3: Just solution for Palestinian refugees" UTUSN Dec 2016 #37
"Principle 4: Provide agreed recognition of Jerusalem for both sides" UTUSN Dec 2016 #38
"Principle 5: Israel's security needs" UTUSN Dec 2016 #39
"Principle 6: End the conflict & all outstanding claims " UTUSN Dec 2016 #40
Oh how I'm going to miss having an intelligent, worldly administration. nolabear Dec 2016 #41
"We can only encourage to take this path, cannot walk it for them." UTUSN Dec 2016 #42
"Incoming administration different path, for them to decide. But we cannot be silent." UTUSN Dec 2016 #43
"Must not give in to pessimism. For Israelis AND Palestinians. Make those choices now." UTUSN Dec 2016 #44
Bwah-hah the MSRNC talk rabbit is overwhelmed, "We've been listening, KERRY talked OVER ONE HOUR!1" UTUSN Dec 2016 #46
Oh the talk rabbit says, "(DRUMPF) has PREEMPTED the speech ON TWITTER"!1 UTUSN Dec 2016 #48
One way friendships are not worth maintaining. elehhhhna Dec 2016 #99
Oh that's funny -- which one have you dubbed the talk rabbit? Hekate Dec 2016 #59
we cannot forget that Netanyahu is the Israeli version of trump. spanone Dec 2016 #49
I caught the last half hour. Kerry spoke straight from the heart, & from a lifetime of work. Hekate Dec 2016 #52
My take too karynnj Dec 2016 #75
UTUSN, I very much appreciate your summary in this thread Hekate Dec 2016 #54
Thank *YOU*. Occasionally I redeem myself for my more, um, "erratic" posts!1 n/t UTUSN Dec 2016 #65
Ditto. Thank you and great job! elehhhhna Dec 2016 #100
the israeli ambassador to the u.n. is on m$nbc calling Kerry a liar...fuck this guy...danny danon spanone Dec 2016 #57
Yep, Danon is an execrable character TubbersUK Dec 2016 #86
This guy has all the charm of an onion. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #105
This is a good speech oberliner Dec 2016 #58
I am glad to read your positive opinion nt karynnj Dec 2016 #64
Thank you Secretary Kerry, mountain grammy Dec 2016 #68
This was a classic speech BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #70
Sadly, I think Israel will be the worse for it too -- even as they get everything they want from karynnj Dec 2016 #78
I fear that you are exactly BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #79
It's a shame that Israel didn't elect a more reasonable PM oberliner Dec 2016 #81
Too true. BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #83
The second and third place finishers in the last election were Labor-Hatnua and the Arab List oberliner Dec 2016 #85
That looks promising BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #87
Do you happen to know where I can find ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #106
What sort of demographics are you looking for? oberliner Dec 2016 #114
Yeah, all of the regular statistical breakdowns ... Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #116
There are no regular statistical breakdowns that come with every election in Israel oberliner Dec 2016 #117
Thank you. That's what I was looking for. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2016 #118
It's too bad the US didn't either world wide wally Dec 2016 #90
Voting for Netanyahu was the worst move they could have made DFW Dec 2016 #91
It was an EXCELLENT speech, delivered in a tough, assertive tone. SpankMe Dec 2016 #88
netanyahu has found a best right-wing friend in trump spanone Dec 2016 #89
Sec. Kerry did a tremendous job Gothmog Dec 2016 #92
K & R Scurrilous Dec 2016 #101

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
7. Not sure - his audience may be international
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:34 PM
Dec 2016

He is articulating a hopeful, idealistic case for the two state solution -- thrashing meme after meme of the Netanyahu/ RW "pro-Israel" (as labeled by its proponents).

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
60. the US won't lead at all under Trump.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:09 PM
Dec 2016

he may be able to bully and intimidate given our power, but no one's going to follow his leadership on anything, because he's not a leader.


Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
77. Leading wont happen at all, in fact most of the human family is gonna
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:38 PM
Dec 2016

have to confront the reality that America is being run by a person who is completely untrustworthy and unpredictable.

Decisions, by other countries, may need to be made about whether or not we should have nuclear weapons, at all.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
3. "I have climbed Masada, swum in the Dead Sea, piloted a jet in its limited air space... "
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:31 PM
Dec 2016

"Seen war and destruction that has gone on too long. .... Two state solution is in (dire) jeopardy..."

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
63. The Ultra Orthodox have the final say in nearly everything. And Autocrats find the structure of...
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:16 PM
Dec 2016

....religion to be very useful. Autocrats don't have to believe in anything outside themselves -- however, the world has certainly seen many religious ones.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
103. What's ironic was that ultra-orthodox did not want the creation of the State of Israel ...
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:36 PM
Dec 2016

... during that time. It was secular Jews who were the vanguard for the realization of Zionism.

Now, the roles are reversed. Many secular Jews like myself are calling for a binational state, whereas the religious zealots want to expand the State of Israel's borders.

Full circle, we've come.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
72. Israel is the Jewish state
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:29 PM
Dec 2016

Consider their citizenship qualification process


Law of Return

The Law of Return grants all Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and almost automatic claim Israeli citizenship upon arrival in Israel. In the 1970s the Law of Return was expanded to grant the same rights to the spouse of a Jew, the children of a Jew and their spouses, and the grandchildren of a Jew and their spouses, provided that the Jew did not practice a religion other than Judaism willingly. In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism are not entitled to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews under the Law of Return, irrespective of their status under halacha (Jewish religious law).

BlueMTexpat

(15,350 posts)
73. It may look and sound strange,
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:30 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

but used with a form of the verb "have," it is correct, LOL.

http://snarkygrammarguide.blogspot.com/2012/09/swam-vs-swum-dont-be-afraid-of.html

Swim, swam, swum is similar to shrink, shrank, shrunk; begin, began, begun; drink, drank, drunk; sink, sank, sunk; and a handful of other irregular verbs.

Swum is a participle used in the present perfect and past perfect tenses, to emphasize that an event has either recently been completed (present perfect, with 'have') or completed in the distant past (past perfect, with 'had').
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
74. How about "drug" in the same context?
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:34 PM
Dec 2016

That is always wrong, I think. Which is why "swum" sounds wrong to me.

BlueMTexpat

(15,350 posts)
84. "Drag" is a regular
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

verb. So its correct past and past participle forms are both "dragged."

Apparently, some incorrectly use "drug" as a past tense in some parts of the country and it is "accepted." But the correct grammatical form is "dragged."

The statement reads like this: "I have climbed ..., swum ..., and piloted ...." The initial "have" is applicable to and used with the participles of the verbs following. Both "climb" and "pilot" are regular verbs. "Swim" is an irregular verb, which is why its participle "swum" sounds somewhat jarring.

Sorry, an early incarnation as an English teacher occasionally resurfaces.

Igel

(35,199 posts)
93. That's the problem.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:15 PM
Dec 2016

I've heard "swum" used as simple preterite. It's non-standard, but a lot of strong verb paradigms are in a kind of flux in the US.

In the OP the auxiliary's ellipted and so the bare past participle has the feel of a preterite.

(Of course, were it the preterite, it would be infelicitous on other grounds, but we're more forgiving of tense-sequence screw ups than botched verbal morphology.)

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
102. It's nigh impossible with all the facts on the ground.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:29 PM
Dec 2016

Israel's colonial settlement industry is making sure of that.

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
4. He is giving a wonderful response to all the nasty anger of Netanyahu
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:32 PM
Dec 2016

He countered that the resolution was against the "shared values" of Israel and the US - but is consistent with our values.

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
12. Well, there is no politician I have ever respected as much as Secretary Kerry .. and he is right.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:40 PM
Dec 2016

Schumer is dishonest in his objections -- which really are as basic as they are not what Israel wants. The fact, Netanyahu is acting against his own stated value that he favors a two state solution. He likely told the truth shortly before the last election when he said there would be no 2 state solution while he was PM -- then took it back after he won. Netanyahu lied one of those two times.

It would be interesting to know what Schumer actually believes in on the basic issues. He has to have opinions.

tritsofme

(17,325 posts)
24. There are few Democratic politicians I have had less respect for over the years than Kerry
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:58 PM
Dec 2016

Something I have been far from shy about here, stretching back to 2004.

And his recent actions only confirm my extreme distaste.

This is obviously Kerry's last hurrah, but I hope that our strong leaders and actual friends of Israel like Senator Schumer work so that the people behind this travesty in our own government become so toxic that they are excluded from future Democratic administrations.

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
32. Likewise, I have been a long time member of the John Kerry DU group
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

As a Jew, I think Netanyahu has made the current Israeli government so toxic, that most synagogues that are reform, reconstructionist or conservative have found that having any Israel programming is problematic -- unless it was Israeli dance, food, culture etc.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
62. Why is kissing Israel's ass a job requirement in the US government, in your opinion?
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:12 PM
Dec 2016

I'm sure you'll be much happier with Trump.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
69. Real friends tell you when you're wrong
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:24 PM
Dec 2016

Benjamin Netanyahu isn't working honestly for an actual peace. He continues to expand settlements which demonstrates his active hatred for Palestinians.

Netanyahu should face the ICC for his actions as Prime Minister. Schumer should feel shame for supporting him.

blm

(112,920 posts)
76. Then I judge your comprehension and perception skills no differently than those of the BibizBoyz.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:35 PM
Dec 2016

Destructively narrow.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
96. Then those few politicians must be doing something right.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:36 PM
Dec 2016

The Likud party and the Netanyahu administration are PIGS. Many American Jews reject their extremist, right wing, neo-con bullshit.

tritsofme

(17,325 posts)
108. Do you really need to employ anti-Semitic canards to make your point?
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:48 PM
Dec 2016

The anti-Semitic trope of Jews as pigs is as old as time, and pretty obvious.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
110. Donald Trump is a pig. Vladmir Putin is a pig. Netanyahu is a pig.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:42 PM
Dec 2016

You know who isn't a pig? Al Franken. John Stewart. Bernie Sanders. There are many jewish people that I look up to and admire. So spare me your phony accusations of anti-Semitism. Its not gonna fly with me.

Pigs is used as an insult against Muslims, police officers and countless other folks. Its not some special slur reserved for those of Jewish ancestry.

Response to tritsofme (Reply #6)

Xipe Totec

(43,872 posts)
50. A little over the line, I think, considering Netanyahu's meddling in US politics
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:49 PM
Dec 2016

and his disgusting disrespect for Obama.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
119. If you objected to it, you don't understand it.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 01:01 AM
Dec 2016

If Israel attempts to implement a single state solution with the Palestinians within its borders, it has to be an autocratic religious state in order to remain Jewish. Otherwise, if it attempts to be a Democracy, it will have to give those Palestinians within its borders the right to vote and they will vote and they will vote for the state to not be Jewish.

Kerry's statement wasn't just right and it wasn't just elegant and philosophical, it ends up being a test for who will knee-jerk themselves into not understanding it because they are so biased they can't sit still long enough to think about it.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
15. "Does anyone believe the settlers would submit to Palestinian rule?"
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:45 PM
Dec 2016

Unlike Arabs living in Israel, who are Israeli citizens.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
18. "Where it leads: Separate and unequal. Would any in Israel accept that, in U.S., for themselves?"
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:51 PM
Dec 2016

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
20. Thank God for John Kerry. This...
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:53 PM
Dec 2016

...is amazing and I'm so glad it is getting coverage.
Have to go out, but will return to this thread later. 🇺🇸

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
27. Trump's head is spinning...
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:01 PM
Dec 2016

He has no idea what Kerry is talking about is my guess...

Kerry, as always, is speaking truth to power... Hope he stays vocal...

When does Israel's election happen? Sounds like Netanyahu needs to go...

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
29. Kerry certainly knows how to make a good argument!
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

I hope people listen instead of going into their corners to get ready to fight.

xor

(1,204 posts)
45. I haven't really been following what happened and is happening with all this, but
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

I feel pretty confident that no one is listening to anything that anyone is saying. Well, maybe not 'no one', but the vast majority are just waiting for their turn to "talk at" the other side.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
31. "The U.S. did NOT draft or (push forward) the resolution. Made clear OBAMA would not make decision
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:05 PM
Dec 2016

until we saw the final version."

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
33. We missed out on a great President :(
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

Clearly he's speaking to the international community, not the nimwit 'Murkins in this country. We are going to have to rely on Europe to be the parents in this situation.

I would argue that Kerry has been one of the best Secretaries of State in the modern era. He has navigated so many political landmines with grace, strength, and conviction. He is well-respected across the globe.

It makes me ill to think of who and what will follow him.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
36. "Principle 2: Two states with mutual recognition & equal rights for both peoples in either state"
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:19 PM
Dec 2016

nolabear

(41,915 posts)
41. Oh how I'm going to miss having an intelligent, worldly administration.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:27 PM
Dec 2016

I'm so glad they're stepping up and making these bold statements about who we really are as a country now, before the barbarians take over.

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
46. Bwah-hah the MSRNC talk rabbit is overwhelmed, "We've been listening, KERRY talked OVER ONE HOUR!1"
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:35 PM
Dec 2016

Oh, and Andrea MITCHELL will be *exclusively* interviewing KERRY next!1

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
48. Oh the talk rabbit says, "(DRUMPF) has PREEMPTED the speech ON TWITTER"!1
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:38 PM
Dec 2016

What did DRUMPF get out of the speech, that Israel "USED TO HAVE A FRIEND IN U.S."

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
52. I caught the last half hour. Kerry spoke straight from the heart, & from a lifetime of work.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:59 PM
Dec 2016

This is his swan song in this arena.

Thank you, sir.

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
75. My take too
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:34 PM
Dec 2016

I asked myself after listening to this excellent speech, who he was really talking to -- clearly to Israel, the international community. True, he may harbor a hope, but not expectation, that Trump's team would maybe listen and learn something. It might be to speak to Democrats, who in a time of fear because of this election and others are so chicken they are backing Netanyahu over Obama - even as Netanyahu, seems increasingly out of control.

I think though he is also speaking to history, to his values, from his conscience as well as his heart. I will miss having this eloquent, compassionate man, who really does have a heart and conscience that both guide his work.

Yes, it is his swan song as Secretary ... but, like both Obama and Loretta Lynch, he has said that he will continue to speak out on things that are important to him. It is worth noting that he was an activist (on both the war and environment) before he ran for office. I look forward to seeing these three "unrestrained" as Obama said referring to himself.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
54. UTUSN, I very much appreciate your summary in this thread
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)

It looks like the whole of the Obama administration is still working away during this supposed holiday vacation period, including the POTUS, who keeps signing EOs and commutations while the opposition at DU complains about his choice of golf venue in his home state.

Damn I am going to miss them all.

spanone

(135,637 posts)
57. the israeli ambassador to the u.n. is on m$nbc calling Kerry a liar...fuck this guy...danny danon
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

he's a right-wing mouthpiece for netanyahu

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
86. Yep, Danon is an execrable character
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:01 PM
Dec 2016

I can only think that Netanyahu appointed him to the UN job as a big 'f**k you' to the UN/the rule of international law.

from 2012:

Danon, a deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset and chairman of World Likud, has come under fire for describing African migrants in Israel as a “national plague,” for hosting controversial U.S. TV personality Glenn Beck at the Knesset and for demanding government investigations of left-wing NGOs.


He wants Israel to annex all the Jewish-occupied and uninhabited land in the West Bank. He wants Palestinians living on the remainder of the West Bank to become part of Jordan, Egypt to take control of the Gaza Strip and the international community to reject the establishment of a Palestinian state on the west bank of the Jordan River (it’s fine by him if the Palestinians take over the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan on the east bank). Danon does not believe in land for peace or the two-state solution.



“I’m working very hard to present a different approach for the peace process,” Danon told JTA in a recent interview in his Knesset office. “Our goal should be to annex the maximum land with the minimum Arab population,” he said of the West Bank. “We should speak about our rights and not apologize for it. We have biblical rights, historical rights, rights according to international law. We also have common-sense rights: We won the war.”


http://www.jewishjournal.com/israel/article/for_knessets_danny_danon_unapologetic_israeli_nationalism_is_key_to_politic
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
58. This is a good speech
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

People are going to focus on one part or another depending on their POV, but I think it is quite a fair assessment of the situation.

BlueMTexpat

(15,350 posts)
70. This was a classic speech
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:25 PM
Dec 2016

by Kerry. In many ways, I am sorry that it wasn't given sooner.

But it HAD to be said and he said it well. After Jan 20, Trump will do everything Netanyahu and his "Greater Israel" coalition ask - and we'll all be the worse for it.

The following document pertaining to the formation of “Greater Israel” constitutes the cornerstone of powerful Zionist factions within the current Netanyahu government, the Likud party, as well as within the Israeli military and intelligence establishment.

In recent developments, Donald Trump has confirmed his support of Israel’s illegal settlements and his opposition to the United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334, which confirms the illegality of the Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

karynnj

(59,475 posts)
78. Sadly, I think Israel will be the worse for it too -- even as they get everything they want from
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

Trump. The fact is that the respect other countries had for the entire Obama administration allowed them the ability to advocate for Israel and to moderate various reactions. This was not based on US threats or fear the US would be angry, but a genuine respect when the US said that doing that would be helpful.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
81. It's a shame that Israel didn't elect a more reasonable PM
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:43 PM
Dec 2016

There really was potential for a breakthrough if they had voted for someone more like Rabin.

BlueMTexpat

(15,350 posts)
83. Too true.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 02:51 PM
Dec 2016

But I'm afraid that their radical RW is firmly in power.

Most Israelis I know personally are as unhappy about these deplorables as we are about Trump.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
85. The second and third place finishers in the last election were Labor-Hatnua and the Arab List
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:00 PM
Dec 2016

For what that is worth.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
106. Do you happen to know where I can find ...
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
Dec 2016

... statistics for the last election; demographics and the like?

Thanks.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
114. What sort of demographics are you looking for?
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 05:25 PM
Dec 2016

There was a site that broke down the voting by town/municipality that I can see if I can find.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
116. Yeah, all of the regular statistical breakdowns ...
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:57 PM
Dec 2016

... that come with every election. I can Google it, but thought you may have something at the ready.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
117. There are no regular statistical breakdowns that come with every election in Israel
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 07:08 PM
Dec 2016

Maybe you are thinking of US elections?

This is what I was talking about:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/elections/1.647590

DFW

(54,059 posts)
91. Voting for Netanyahu was the worst move they could have made
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:19 PM
Dec 2016

But after November 8th, we are hardly in a position to point fingers.

SpankMe

(2,937 posts)
88. It was an EXCELLENT speech, delivered in a tough, assertive tone.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:03 PM
Dec 2016

I wish many other of his speeches were delivered that way.

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