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nikto

(3,284 posts)
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:44 PM Dec 2016

Should the Democratic Party start using the GOP's vote-suppression tactics in blue states?

You know the methods the GOP uses in its "red" states.
Couldn't we play a similar game, since the Supreme Court now allows it?

Such as:
Limiting the GOP vote via
closing-down MANY polling places in GOP-areas (to save $$ is the best excuse),
caging voters similarly to "Cross-Check" (thoroughly covered by Greg Palast),
and using electronic tabulation to create, for once, an actual "blue-shift", which, so far, does not exist-----
There is only a "red" shift so far (and the GOP used it in the "swing" states, ofcourse, where it was most needed).
This "shift" was covered by Mark Crispin Miller.

The GOP uses all these methods to crush Democrats.
Yeah, it's dirty.

But if we want these filthy tactics to be outlawed,
we are going to have to use them against the GOP.

Otherwise, why should the GOP give up weapons the other side refuses to EVER use?

OK, I'll go take a shower now.

But if we are not willing to get down and dirty, the GOP
will NEVER stop using down and dirty tactics against The Democratic Party.

Never. Not ever.

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Should the Democratic Party start using the GOP's vote-suppression tactics in blue states? (Original Post) nikto Dec 2016 OP
Not just no, but Hell no! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2016 #1
Can you think of any? nikto Dec 2016 #3
no JI7 Dec 2016 #2
This is the most undemocratic proposal I have read on here in ages. LonePirate Dec 2016 #4
No we should do Crosscheck in white GOP areas and pull them off the rolls at the last minute!! bettyellen Dec 2016 #5
good idea nikto Dec 2016 #6
Well I think it would have to be administered by other people - the one people are signing up to bettyellen Dec 2016 #8
No. It's bad enough we take money from certain interests. HassleCat Dec 2016 #7
Perhaps nikto Dec 2016 #9
No, because for one, it's the wrong thing to do. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #10
Good point nikto Dec 2016 #25
The Democratic Party could take the courageous HIGH ROAD ... nikto Dec 2016 #11
sorry boys and girls. national democratic leadership is now in holiday vacation mode. as are repubs msongs Dec 2016 #12
Why? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #13
Blue states are blue because the vote isn't surpressed Orangepeel Dec 2016 #14
Pass laws to outlaw voters that wave confederate flags. 1AM Coffee Dec 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author meow2u3 Dec 2016 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #17
Not to mention unconstitutional uppityperson Dec 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #19
You want to ban people of a "religious creed" from voting? uppityperson Dec 2016 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #24
It doesn't prohibit a person from partiipating in governance, either. WillowTree Dec 2016 #23
We need democracy, a vote for avery one. And a general public who will make a call or 2 a year to Sunlei Dec 2016 #20
So you think that the ends justifies the means? You want to be that person? WillowTree Dec 2016 #21
No. salin Dec 2016 #26
This thread proves one thing for sure ... nikto Dec 2016 #27
There is so much truth in this thread... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #28
No. We need to make it easier for everyone to vote. nt DLevine Dec 2016 #29
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
3. Can you think of any?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:51 PM
Dec 2016

We are in a street-fight with THUGS.

If you want more proof, check out what is happening in North Carolina lately.

We have to get out the lawyers, and do THE EXACT SAME THING TO THEM (not more, not less, and within
the same parameters the GOP works within).

IMO, until the GOP feels the pain of these methods used against THEM, they have no reason to ever change.

And with the GOP stacking the SCOTUS, these methods will be further legitimized------At least
UNTIL the Democratic Party starts using them too.

It's time to start bringing guns to the gun fight, instead of stern language.



Guns beat stern language, every damn time.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. No we should do Crosscheck in white GOP areas and pull them off the rolls at the last minute!!
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:51 PM
Dec 2016

Because that would even the playing field.

We don't need to support onerous voting restrictions, but I could get behind some Cross check shit because there would be OUTRAGE. HA

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
8. Well I think it would have to be administered by other people - the one people are signing up to
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:54 PM
Dec 2016

Is dinging Dems really badly.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
7. No. It's bad enough we take money from certain interests.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

We have compromised our principles enough.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
9. Perhaps
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:56 PM
Dec 2016

But Punishing Russia without releasing proof of election-hacking, is also a compromise of values.

That's only if we are trying to be consistent in our values,
and we avoid using GOP election tactics as well.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. No, because for one, it's the wrong thing to do.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:56 PM
Dec 2016

That's the big one.

Two, most of the blue states that have Dem state governments aren't even close to being up for grabs. What good would it do to suppress the red vote in California?

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
11. The Democratic Party could take the courageous HIGH ROAD ...
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:00 PM
Dec 2016

And deal openly with the issue of election-fraud.


But it refuses to.

It would rather blame the Russians and avoid all talk of vote-caging and
"red-shifts".


Hell, they even now IGNORE the horrid and damaging Comey/FBI announcement, which was clearly inflated BS.
That MEASURABLY (in polls) did far more damage to HC than the DNC hack/leak ever did.

Not, it's suddenly a non-issue to Democrats. Why the hell is that?

Is this cowardice?

Or corruption?

msongs

(67,193 posts)
12. sorry boys and girls. national democratic leadership is now in holiday vacation mode. as are repubs
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:08 PM
Dec 2016

except in NC of course

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
14. Blue states are blue because the vote isn't surpressed
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 10:12 PM
Dec 2016

Well, that's only a small reason why, but the fact is, Democrats do better when more people vote.

Response to 1AM Coffee (Reply #15)

Response to meow2u3 (Reply #16)

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
18. Not to mention unconstitutional
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:49 AM
Dec 2016
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Response to uppityperson (Reply #18)

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
22. You want to ban people of a "religious creed" from voting?
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:57 AM
Dec 2016
I don't see how not letting people who follow a religious creed vote conflicts with that

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof


Response to uppityperson (Reply #22)

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
23. It doesn't prohibit a person from partiipating in governance, either.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:03 AM
Dec 2016

Where are you getting this stuff?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. We need democracy, a vote for avery one. And a general public who will make a call or 2 a year to
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:14 AM
Dec 2016
help"make me do it" their next president OR help the few Ds left in our government before Rs get rid of them too.
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
27. This thread proves one thing for sure ...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:31 AM
Dec 2016

That DEMOCRATS have much more ACTUAL sense of right and wrong than GOPers,
even when it involves winning.

How many GOPers would even debate such an issue, if it were reversed for their party?

I have yet to see even ONE GOPer who questions GOP vote-suppression tactics of ANY kind,
in ANY state.

GOPers do not do stuff like that.
They always assume what the GOP does in elections is right and justified.

Anybody out there know of any exceptions,
please let me know and post about it here.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
28. There is so much truth in this thread...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:50 AM
Dec 2016

...there are places where Dems could use the GOP tactics and places where it just wouldn't work as well... where our voters are susceptible but their voters are not... and, there is the law. Now, they can set or reset more laws. This is a big issue - not blaming Hillary, Obama, Bernie etc... We have the people and the winning message, but not the mechanics to assure victories. I don't have a default answer to the question, but am leaning toward "yes" in more areas.

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