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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:49 AM Nov 2016

Guys, I've got to say, I'm sort of terrified right now.

The man in line to be the 45th President of the United States spent yesterday retweeting:

a) a 16 year old with absolutely no sense of logical thought

b) someone who posts things like this:

#IslamIsADeathCult #IslamIsTheProblem #BanMuslimsNotGuns #BanSharia #IslamIsCancer
#Muslims did not come to America to be Americans! WAKEUP!


in order to justify his position that he somehow was the victim of voter fraud in an election that he won electorally.

He then attacks a media outlet and claims he won the election in a "landslide" despite the fact he received over 2 million less votes than his opponent.

Finally, he decides to attack the pressing issue of flag burning and says people who burn the flag ought to be imprisoned and stripped of their US Citizenship.

The man is an mentally incompetent lunatic, pure and simple. And we're supposed to trust this person with our country?

I know there are some people who claim he's doing this all to distract against other issues, that he's playing multi-dimensional chess, but....no. He's not. He's essentially chucking checker pieces at his opponent. That's as deep as he gets.

Forget politics for a moment. Forget policy. Throw that all out the window for the time being--we can come back to all that if Pence gets into power. Right now, this is a watershed moment in US history, and in a very bad, dark way.

I've never be someone to be an alarmist. I've always tried to maintain a calm, reasoned and rational outlook on things. After the Supreme Court issued its ruling in 2000, I was pissed. I predicted we'd go back to war with Iraq and I was proven right. And in 2004, I was flabbergasted that we would re-elect Bush. But throughout all of that, I could clearly see four years down the road, what our next plan would be for the next go-round. And God help me, but I'm not seeing that clearly for 2020. I can hope we're still basically functional, but that's no longer a given.

And that's absolutely terrifying.

The first few months of the Trump presidency will have its ups and downs but won't feel too out of sorts. The problem will be when he faces his first major crisis, and at some point he will face that major crisis whatever it is. How he reacts will be everything, and I can't trust him to react normally because he's not normal. Will he send us to war? Will he attempt to expand his own powers? Will he crack down on fundamental rights? Will he threaten to punish or imprison his opponents? I can't believe I'm imagining any of this happening, but the day after election day I woke up literally shaking for the first time in my life and there's got to be a reason for that.

We cannot depend on this man to lead us. He's not right in the head and I fear he's going to take the country to some very dark places before we can right this ship again.
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Guys, I've got to say, I'm sort of terrified right now. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 OP
Unfortunately, this demented individual is our president-elect. MoonRiver Nov 2016 #1
His "major crisis" will be a Reichstag Fire-type crisis of his own making... First Speaker Nov 2016 #2
You are right. It's begun with his flag burning bullshit. kairos12 Nov 2016 #10
Probably after a Trump property somewhere in the world gets vandalized or worse WilliamPlanke Nov 2016 #63
yes, I've been saying this for a while now Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #71
we can only help ourselves bdamomma Nov 2016 #90
Sickening indeed... I fear very much we are being driven backwards Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #106
People said the same thing about Bush and Obama mythology Nov 2016 #86
Trump isn't Obama or Bush, and this isn't 2000 or 2008... First Speaker Nov 2016 #92
By 2018 it will be too late pangaia Nov 2016 #128
AGREED!! How many times in a week can I hear "Sky is falling" 7962 Nov 2016 #149
Since Trump seems to love Alex Jones NewJeffCT Nov 2016 #88
Oh you mean like another 9/11? YOHABLO Nov 2016 #119
I had a dream/nightmare (vision?) a few nights ago... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #126
I predict, he will burn/bomb the white house, and blame it on ISIS. And that is the real reason putitinD Nov 2016 #134
Fuck the idiots who voted for him, every last one of them. duffyduff Nov 2016 #3
Along with those who didn't vote or voted third party. LisaM Nov 2016 #6
Ok... sfwriter Nov 2016 #110
Huh? LisaM Nov 2016 #111
This is the Democratic underground, not the 3rd party underground. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #114
She was blaming "Along with those who didn't vote or voted third party." Cha Nov 2016 #137
They did. kairos12 Nov 2016 #11
I have a friend in high finance who told me Hitler did some very good things. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #27
Hitler Vs Trump njcpa1978 Nov 2016 #48
Trump is going to do what he does - Outsource. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #58
Newsflash to your ex-friend: many people work 10-12 hour days! raging moderate Nov 2016 #80
she'd say: "suck it up". SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #120
I WISH my workdays were onlly 10 hours! DFW Nov 2016 #144
I read that book. murielm99 Nov 2016 #76
I'm afraid Hitler's parallels with our nation didn't begin with Trump. astral Nov 2016 #97
Oh for god's sake please. YOHABLO Nov 2016 #141
I think Trump is more Mussolini. bench scientist Nov 2016 #101
And Mussolini made the trains run on time! dhol82 Nov 2016 #51
Our only hope is for him to be impeached and I don't believe the Republicans patricia92243 Nov 2016 #4
Oh, yes they will. duffyduff Nov 2016 #12
"They don't have a mandate" AleksS Nov 2016 #60
RIGHT! Cosmocat Nov 2016 #68
Oh God no... Calculating Nov 2016 #21
Pence Will Have No Teeth ProfessorGAC Nov 2016 #43
Pence would be beyond horrible, but... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #127
Don't fool yourself: he's already running the show Nevernose Nov 2016 #145
If they find they can't control him I think they will treestar Nov 2016 #46
In my 58 years GWC58 Nov 2016 #59
They might not have to impeach, read the 25th amendment, section 4 tinrobot Nov 2016 #83
I think a doctor - or several doctors - would have to declare this to patricia92243 Nov 2016 #87
The amendment is pretty clear. No doctors required. tinrobot Nov 2016 #96
Keith Olbermann ran a piece on this... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #129
As long as Trump signs their Bills and doesn't blow up the Republican Party he can stay. Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #112
Listen, it's part of a strategy to disorient us and keep us distracted. Pay attention to the ACTIONS KittyWampus Nov 2016 #5
This... Txbluedog Nov 2016 #7
The GOP won't get away with it. All of their extreme proposals will be shot down. duffyduff Nov 2016 #14
I'm Not Sure RobinA Nov 2016 #50
Dude Cosmocat Nov 2016 #69
There is nothing to distract us from right now except his cabinet picks world wide wally Nov 2016 #16
Trumps Pick For HHS Signals He Is Dead Serious About Repealing Obamacare Miles Archer Nov 2016 #29
Tom Price .. another good ole boy Georgia red neck. YOHABLO Nov 2016 #142
1, to put out the fire that causes more harm start a bigger fire that causes less harm and that's uponit7771 Nov 2016 #85
Yep jack_krass Nov 2016 #118
It's not Trump-- he's too stupid to think this stuff up. TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 #8
The flag burning tweet has Bannon all over it. womanofthehills Nov 2016 #20
yep heaven05 Nov 2016 #9
Place fingers-crossed faith bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #13
The "deep state" does not exist. The President commands the National Security apparatus. stevenleser Nov 2016 #18
Resistance will take place from the inside as well as the outside. Cassidy Nov 2016 #26
...which is probably why one of his first moves is a Bannon-designed "civil service reform"... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #130
I Used to Believe RobinA Nov 2016 #54
"no adults...to save us" handmade34 Nov 2016 #98
Will he Hayduke Bomgarte Nov 2016 #15
I feel myself wanting to withdraw lillypaddle Nov 2016 #17
The day after Election Day, I felt compelled to listen to Leonard Cohen all day. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 #22
Wow lillypaddle Nov 2016 #24
All of the above. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #19
Yesterday I sold a little over safeinOhio Nov 2016 #23
Did you actually cash it out? cilla4progress Nov 2016 #36
Put it in my savings account safeinOhio Nov 2016 #42
Gosh, cilla4progress Nov 2016 #91
I know that feeling. safeinOhio Nov 2016 #93
Not terrified.... Aviation Pro Nov 2016 #25
It will all be blamed on Obama - expect nothing less BSdetect Nov 2016 #32
Let them blame it on POTUS.... Aviation Pro Nov 2016 #45
"...that he's playing multi-dimensional chess, but....no. He's not." 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #28
Only one recent president has been able to play multi-dimensional chess... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #131
I'm just waiting. toddwv Nov 2016 #30
I think they played that card to death in the last eight years nolabels Nov 2016 #41
I really hope that the alt right is a fad that will disappear in 2018. Initech Nov 2016 #31
Ironic that you mention Glenn Beck... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #132
Yeah but he helped create the alt right. Doesn't change that fact. Initech Nov 2016 #150
Why Trump? DownriverDem Nov 2016 #33
You know you have the support of everyone on this board... cilla4progress Nov 2016 #34
Also horrified and still sleepless BSdetect Nov 2016 #35
I think we may need another constitutional Convention? kentuck Nov 2016 #117
The Trump admin and the Reeps are fucking scary! ananda Nov 2016 #37
Nuclear war. That's the main concern with him as POTUS. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #38
I'm not sure against whom... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #133
Trump would turn on him in a heartbeat if he thought... Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #140
Ditto. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #39
Exactly. I have not felt even remotely normal since the election. I fear for the planet, not just us catbyte Nov 2016 #40
Ole "baboon butt," our prez-elect, makes my heart skip beats and add new ones. Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #67
Meanwhile PatSeg Nov 2016 #44
I think it's worse than that, actually. lark Nov 2016 #47
Haven't reached terrified yet but I am on a downward dae Nov 2016 #49
Worse yet, he's not just retweeting people with the sentiments in section b) of the OP, Tanuki Nov 2016 #52
Yeah. I am keeping outwardly calm but, yeah. Me, too N/t Guilded Lilly Nov 2016 #53
ok so rtracey Nov 2016 #55
You are not alone. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #56
The tweets from his account aren't necessarily an indication of his thinking muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #57
I think they are his own tweets. milestogo Nov 2016 #61
There was an article during the campaign saying they had candidate tweets ready to go muriel_volestrangler Nov 2016 #72
I believe it's mixed between staffers and himself. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 #77
As I walked by the office TV during lunch, Andrea Mitchell was opining BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #62
It is absolutely terrifying. There seems to be no balancing mechanism in place. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2016 #64
You know you're down the rabbit hole when you wish W was the prez-elect. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #78
Right? Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #154
Yes Generator Nov 2016 #115
I agree. I truly believe this is the end of the Founding sinkingfeeling Nov 2016 #65
We are a full on authoritarian, fascist state now Cosmocat Nov 2016 #73
This: "The people of this country really have not gotten what they have done." -nt CrispyQ Nov 2016 #79
Or maybe they have, and just don't give a flying fuck... First Speaker Nov 2016 #107
I AGREE. And EVERYTHING he BigDemVoter Nov 2016 #66
There is every reason to be Solly Mack Nov 2016 #70
Tweety bird - that's right WomanWhoRoars Nov 2016 #74
"Orange Julius" Maynar Nov 2016 #121
Me too... but the big question is what the fuck can we do about it? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #75
That's been my biggest fear all along. Kablooie Nov 2016 #81
How is any of this surprising? loyalsister Nov 2016 #82
And so ended the USA in its descent into Idiocracy as China recalled the debt because of RKP5637 Nov 2016 #84
perhaps he should go after lying politicians Angry Dragon Nov 2016 #89
If the Republicans had an ounce of conscience Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #94
It is scary but politics is like the weather ramapo Nov 2016 #95
I hope all those YouTube videos are right LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #99
LOL! Maynar Nov 2016 #122
I am nervous about him, but terrified for Standing Rock Qanisqineq Nov 2016 #100
Make sure your passport is up-to-date if you're one of those minorities that Trump loves to hate. MADem Nov 2016 #102
I advised both my sons--who are gay--to renew their passports. mnhtnbb Nov 2016 #104
I think it is smart to prepare for the worst, even as we hope for the best down the road. MADem Nov 2016 #113
My wife and I renewed ours on the Thursday (her first day off) after the election... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #136
I hope I don't regret not paying the extra because I looked at the calendar, too. mnhtnbb Nov 2016 #152
My passport renewal application was processed in less than 2 weeks! mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #155
"Passport cards" don't allow air or ship travel... regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #135
No, but you can travel over land and they fit in a wallet. MADem Nov 2016 #148
he will do what Bannon et all tell him to do. Tool n/t Hamlette Nov 2016 #103
Yes I fear we are in for a major shit storm jimlup Nov 2016 #105
Please tell me you didn't just realize this tavalon Nov 2016 #108
Not at all. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2016 #151
Don't be weak. You need to be strong and clear flamingdem Nov 2016 #109
I sense that some are not sensing the seriousness of the matter. kentuck Nov 2016 #116
I'm afraid you are right. People have tuned out because they cannot face what is to come. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #124
Welcome to the new American version of Hilter, now showing Hilter II. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #123
Why doesn't the electorate realize that the GOP is a racket? it is the money. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #125
Here, Here.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2016 #138
We are about to embark on the most difficult journey, these next four years. yuiyoshida Nov 2016 #139
It's just that the people who will most suffer are those who are low YOHABLO Nov 2016 #143
You are assuming you will be able to move to another country yuiyoshida Nov 2016 #147
This is Lord of the Flies all over again DFW Nov 2016 #146
Feel the same. Am applying for my passport today. Freethinker65 Nov 2016 #153
I am going to do the same. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #156

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
2. His "major crisis" will be a Reichstag Fire-type crisis of his own making...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:54 AM
Nov 2016

...my God, is there anyone who isn't expecting this? Something--maybe another "terror attack", maybe an "assassination attempt", anything--and we'll have our very own Enabling Act. Given his mentality, this is *exactly* the sort of thing that would appeal to him. In 2020, we won't have an election, we'll have the 99% referendum that despots love so much.

WilliamPlanke

(50 posts)
63. Probably after a Trump property somewhere in the world gets vandalized or worse
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:17 PM
Nov 2016

The Donald is so predicable that even the dumbest "bad guys" know how to manipulate him.

bdamomma

(63,791 posts)
90. we can only help ourselves
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:05 PM
Nov 2016

if we love our country it will come to bloodshed, I pray to a higher power this does not happen but this is our country and he is our own homegrown terrorist who is not mentally fit to hold office. He just does not understand, our Congress will not either they better not give him a free pass.

Just remember we are seeing our free speech in the process of deteriorating, that is unacceptable.

Sickening that in 2016 we are sinking back into the dark ages.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
106. Sickening indeed... I fear very much we are being driven backwards
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:35 PM
Nov 2016

despite millions of people being on the right side

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
86. People said the same thing about Bush and Obama
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:18 PM
Nov 2016

It wasn't true then either. Giuliani tried to postpone the NYC mayoral election 2 months after the September 11th attacks and got rejected.

There will be elections in 2018, 2020, 2022 etc.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
92. Trump isn't Obama or Bush, and this isn't 2000 or 2008...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:30 PM
Nov 2016

...nor is the GOP quite what it was then, either. The institutions of liberal democracy are much weaker now, and Trump is--to be blunt--a fascist.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
149. AGREED!! How many times in a week can I hear "Sky is falling"
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:45 AM
Nov 2016

Trump is an idiot. Yes. No doubt. But i doubt he's going to instantly implement martial law when he takes office. he'll be opposed like others we didnt like were opposed. He's nothing special
DU is becoming the WND of the left with the constant posting of "the end is near" OPs. Trump is a 4 yr speed bump.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
88. Since Trump seems to love Alex Jones
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:56 PM
Nov 2016

and Jones is big on phony "false flag" claims, I can definitely see them going down this road.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
126. I had a dream/nightmare (vision?) a few nights ago...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:25 AM
Nov 2016

In it, within a few months of Trump taking office, there was a huge terrorist attack -- a nuclear device detonated in San Francisco. And not just a "suitcase nuke," either, but a full-fledged multi-megaton bomb. ISIS, presumably, but...it's a pretty-ill-kept secret that major U.S. cities have sensors along the major routes to detect the presence of the radiation that would be generated by a full-fledged H-bomb. Somehow, one of the sensors must have "malfunctioned"...I guess.

Anyway, of course, Trump immediately declared a state of emergency invoking martial law, with the majority of Americans, in shock, willing to trust him to provide them safety. National borders were closed, ostensibly to prevent the terrorists from escaping before they could be brought to justice but, of course, also making sure no citizens wishing to flee could do so. Television broadcasts were taken off the air, with all news being provided by an official government channel, "for the time being." Similarly, a "walled garden" Internet was instituted, so that most social media networks where people could speak their minds were replaced by government-approved facsimiles.

Needless to say, all Muslims, citizens or not, were rounded up and sent to interment camps located at decommissioned military bases and, in a twist of irony, some WWII internment sites.

Then, what would eventually become known as the "nights of darkness" began, with security forces descending on neighborhoods, pulling selected families out of their homes, and taking them away to...? No one ever found out. Apparently, the new "temporary" government had made it its strategy, rather than arresting well-known opposition leaders or celebrities, to take out random members of the rank-and-file, as judged by easily-obtained information like political contribution records and posting materials critical of President Trump on the old, now-shut-down networks like Facebook and Twitter. Instead of taking away famous people whose disappearance would spark mass dissent, the strategy was to "disappear" innocuous, "ordinary" people...but just enough of them that their neighbors would notice and keep compliant, in the fear that what happened to Bob and Laura down the street might easily happen to them, too, if they weren't careful.

In the dream, the knock in the dead-of-night finally came at our door. In the last moments, my wife and I were standing in our driveway in the darkness, waiting to be loaded into the van to take us off to wherever the firing-squad and mass grave designated for us were located. The last act permitted, in "kindness" to us, was to say goodbye to our much-loved cat and let him out of the house so he could run free, and hopefully find someone else in the neighborhood to take him in.

Then I woke up.

But the nightmare (vision?) never really ended. And, every day, I see more and more signs that we're drawing closer to the time when it becomes a reality.


putitinD

(1,551 posts)
134. I predict, he will burn/bomb the white house, and blame it on ISIS. And that is the real reason
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:50 AM
Nov 2016

Malania and Barron are staying in NY until June.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
110. Ok...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:24 PM
Nov 2016

Say, since you brought it up, let's also blame the high-handed Hillary supporters that made a third party vote so palatable. Let's blame a needlessly zealous DLC that gave every perception of favoritism, and hey, let's blame our own candidate that managed to blow her massive advantage and lose this thing.

I actually believe NONE of what you or I have said actually cost Hillary the election. It was some from every column, but I wanted you to feel ho alienating you venom is. I think we need to WIN those voters back.

Best of luck processing this loss and moving beyond the anger stage. I wish you a productive and constructive election cycle in 2018 an 2020.

LisaM

(27,792 posts)
111. Huh?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:44 PM
Nov 2016

Why are you picking on me? I don't miss elections. I've turned out in bad weather to vote for single-issue school elections year after year when I don't even have kids. I research things like judges if that's the only thing on the ballot.

And I also don't toss my vote away when I know that there is a bigger picture than just the little world I live in.

Cha

(296,779 posts)
137. She was blaming "Along with those who didn't vote or voted third party."
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:09 AM
Nov 2016

Which is a damn fact.. your post is just being disingenuously insulting.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,082 posts)
27. I have a friend in high finance who told me Hitler did some very good things.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:58 PM
Nov 2016

I was too horrified by that statement to ask which.

njcpa1978

(114 posts)
48. Hitler Vs Trump
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:40 PM
Nov 2016

I am reading a book called Hitler-A study in Tyranny. While the parallels to Trump and Hitler are clear, as are the ones to Goebbels and Bannon, but what I find the major difference is Hitler had a plan beyond Chancellor. Duetschland uber alles. Trump's plan is - Now I am president, what the F' do I do now? I am as worried about what his kids will do in a crisis. That is who is going to run the country. I can see the woman in the military having to wear Ivanka Khakis.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,082 posts)
58. Trump is going to do what he does - Outsource.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:59 PM
Nov 2016

My friend in high finance also thinks everyone without a career should have at least 3 jobs. She works average 10-12 hour days because she is a workaholic. And she loves telling people how to run their lives.

We are no longer close friends.

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
80. Newsflash to your ex-friend: many people work 10-12 hour days!
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:54 PM
Nov 2016

If you factor in all the extra work hours spent on childcare, eldercare, and running households, many people work 16 hour days!

DFW

(54,268 posts)
144. I WISH my workdays were onlly 10 hours!
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:49 AM
Nov 2016

Yesterday, I got up at 4:30, was on the road by 5:30, and got home after 11:00 PM.

Some people have no clue what a "workday" entails for others. Funny how they turn out to be the ones who like most to lecture other people on how they should structure their lives.

murielm99

(30,712 posts)
76. I read that book.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:38 PM
Nov 2016

We are going to have to work against him while we still can do it openly. Things could go bad quickly. How crazy are his kids? How far will they go?

 

astral

(2,531 posts)
97. I'm afraid Hitler's parallels with our nation didn't begin with Trump.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:57 PM
Nov 2016

It's not a new topic. While the unknown is to be feared, I don't believe most of the things people are projecting here. We will have to witness him in action.

I also don't get the demonization of his kids in this mess. He's got bright, good-looking kids who don't have any history of misbehaving. They may be an asset to our country at some point, if anything.

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
101. I think Trump is more Mussolini.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:10 PM
Nov 2016

But Trump won't make the trains run on time.Trump is going to blow up the tracks and charge us all to rebuild them.

patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
4. Our only hope is for him to be impeached and I don't believe the Republicans
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:56 AM
Nov 2016

will EVER do it. So, we are in a mess.

I'm scared too. I go around with a sick feeling of dread. I am usually not like this.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
12. Oh, yes they will.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:15 PM
Nov 2016

They will be too busy trying to rein in this dipshit to get much of anything done, which they don't anyway.

They don't have a mandate to put through an extremist agenda.

The GOP forced Nixon out. They can do it again. The GOP can invoke the 25th amendment and jettison impeachment.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
60. "They don't have a mandate"
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:10 PM
Nov 2016

You say they don't have a mandate, but when has that ever stopped them?

I live in Wisconsin.

In 2010, Scott Walker won (with Reince Preibus at the reins), and the legislature and courts were GOP controlled. Now, even though the margins were slim (and legislaturally, I believe D's got more votes than R's--thanks Gerrymandering!), and there was nothing like a mandate, that didn't even slow them down. The presence of a couple moderate GOP-ers didn't slow them down either.

Within a month, the most extreme legislature WI had ever seen was blasted through the State government.

They don't care about "mandates." They care about power. Which they now have.

The first 100 days are going to be very very scary indeed. We saw what Preibus did in WI when his boys got to run the show. Now his boys own the country. God help us all.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
68. RIGHT!
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:29 PM
Nov 2016

We are SO fucked with what is coming though congress.

And, the know there is no calvary coming in to years, they get a VERY favorable senate cycle and we have no hope for the House, so they know the have a four year run.

Look, Trump is going to be a disaster, but CONGRESS is where people need to be focusing.

ProfessorGAC

(64,827 posts)
43. Pence Will Have No Teeth
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:35 PM
Nov 2016

That's a unwarranted concern. If a GOP congress dumps Trump, they will have no problem telling "zero mandate" Pence that he isn't in charge. If they were to take a step bold enough to impeach a guy who ran under their party's standard, they will be emboldened enough to tell Pence he's a toothless figurehead.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
127. Pence would be beyond horrible, but...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:32 AM
Nov 2016

...I'm quite confident that, when his four or eight years were up, he'd step aside for whoever was his successor, just as Dubya did for Obama.

With Trump, I very much doubt we'll even have an election in 2024. Or maybe not in 2020, if there was a chance he could lose.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
145. Don't fool yourself: he's already running the show
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:51 AM
Nov 2016

Remember Trump's offer to Kasich? Be my Vice President and you can handle foreign and domestic policy, and I'll handle everything else.

There's no way Trump even knows who people like Jeff Sessions or Tom Price are.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
59. In my 58 years
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:01 PM
Nov 2016

I've never been dreadful of an incoming admin I didn't vote for. This feels way different and I don't mind saying I'm petrified.

tinrobot

(10,883 posts)
83. They might not have to impeach, read the 25th amendment, section 4
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:08 PM
Nov 2016
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

So... Pence and a half dozen or so cabinet members can declare him incompetent and Pence becomes president.

Pretty simple, except for this:

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]


TLDR: Trump can declare himself competent, and then Pence and the cabinet would argue he's not. If that happens, the whole thing goes to Congress for a 2/3 vote.

Simpler than impeachment in some respects, because it does not require the complexities of a trial. It is just an up/down vote.

patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
87. I think a doctor - or several doctors - would have to declare this to
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:34 PM
Nov 2016

the Senate, etc. to start the ball rolling. If not, they could declare any Prez they didn't like incompetent and get rid of him.

Just a thought.

tinrobot

(10,883 posts)
96. The amendment is pretty clear. No doctors required.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:53 PM
Nov 2016

It is solely up to the VP and the Cabinet to make that call.

They already have plenty of evidence that he is incompetent, so... with a willing Congress, they could find a reason.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
129. Keith Olbermann ran a piece on this...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:36 AM
Nov 2016

It sounds possible, except that I can't see how, even if Pence and leading Republican congresscritters decide he's gone off the rails, they'd be able to get a majority of the Cabinet to back them. It seems that Mad King Donald the Popular-Vote-Loser has staffed his Cabinet with the greatest priority being personal loyalty/indebtedness to him.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
112. As long as Trump signs their Bills and doesn't blow up the Republican Party he can stay.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:22 PM
Nov 2016

As soon as he does something Progressive, which he might just because he is so erratic, or causes a big international incident, they will pull the plug and impeach him themselves to get to Pence. Pence is a refined, evil man, willing to impose his religion on the rest of us, whereas Trump is an evil wild card. What a Faustian choice? When Mike Pence is your best choice, you know you have some really crappy choices for sure!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
5. Listen, it's part of a strategy to disorient us and keep us distracted. Pay attention to the ACTIONS
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:57 AM
Nov 2016

Frankly, I think Bannon understands the psychology involved and the political theater and is encouraging it.

Be concerned about the Big Picture.

Try to ignore the onslaught of distractions.

It's like a smoke screen Trump/Bannon are throwing out. And behind the smoke, they're plowing ahead.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
7. This...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:01 PM
Nov 2016

rump's ranting's are just a distraction. We need to pay attention to the destruction his team and the republicans are planning for the country

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
14. The GOP won't get away with it. All of their extreme proposals will be shot down.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:16 PM
Nov 2016

Every single rep or senator who votes that way risks his or her political career.

We still have the vote, remember?

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
50. I'm Not Sure
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:44 PM
Nov 2016

I find that comforting at this point. I would have said no great number of people would be dumb enough to elect Trump, and we know how that turned out.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
29. Trumps Pick For HHS Signals He Is Dead Serious About Repealing Obamacare
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Nov 2016
Trump’s Pick For HHS Signals He Is Dead Serious About Repealing Obamacare

Tom Price might go after Medicare and Medicaid, too
11/29/2016 12:35 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-price-hhs-obamacare_us_583d0444e4b06539a78a3d45?8b6hwwig4vl323xr

President-elect Donald Trump will name an ultra-conservative surgeon, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to run the Department of Health and Human Services.

House Republicans, led by Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, have long called for converting Medicare into some kind of voucher scheme, in which seniors would get a fixed sum of money with which to choose a health plan.

Price has also endorsed transforming Medicaid into a “block grant” ― in other words, giving states a fixed sum of money with which to run the program and then reducing the federal government’s spending on it.

During the presidential campaign, Trump indicated he would not cut either Medicare or Medicaid. But language on his new transition website says that he will “modernize” Medicare and give states more “flexibility” over Medicaid. In Washington, those terms are typically euphemisms for privatizing Medicare and transforming Medicaid into a block grant.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
85. 1, to put out the fire that causes more harm start a bigger fire that causes less harm and that's
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:11 PM
Nov 2016

... exactly what DPutin does

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
13. Place fingers-crossed faith
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:16 PM
Nov 2016

in the National Security apparatus, what I believe author James Bamford
called the 'deep state'

There are parameters on the presidency

Though frankly i'm surprised they've let us get into this pickle

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
18. The "deep state" does not exist. The President commands the National Security apparatus.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:22 PM
Nov 2016

I will never understand why some folks persist in believing fairy tales like this.

The truly dangerous part of the deep state myth is that it potentially absolves the President and his administration of certain actions. They should not be absolved, they are responsible.

The President can remove/appoint any member of the military or security services at will at any time.

Cassidy

(201 posts)
26. Resistance will take place from the inside as well as the outside.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:51 PM
Nov 2016

I worked for the EPA during the Reagan and Bush I years. I fear the power of the President and the dangerous, damaged man to whom we have given this power. But I know from experience that there are many individuals within the government who are professionals who believe in their work and their missions.

Thanks to unionization, he cannot remove most of the real workers. We must recognize and support those who are usually derided as bureaucrats.

I remember a full page ad that NRDC placed in the NYT to support the EPA employees during those dark times. They acknowledged us and the work we continued to do to protect Americans and our environment. It was a gracious gesture and lifted spirits.

Some will resist from within and we must acknowledge and support their resistance.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
130. ...which is probably why one of his first moves is a Bannon-designed "civil service reform"...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:40 AM
Nov 2016

...that drastically cuts the power of the unions (think Wisconsin), and makes it much easier to fire government workers without cause, and without the union being able to protect them.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
54. I Used to Believe
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:51 PM
Nov 2016

in a deep state. But somewhere along the way, maybe since about 9/11, I started to have my doubts. When Congress went off the rails and started to run solely on hate I realized that there are no adults behind the scenes to save us.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
15. Will he
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:16 PM
Nov 2016
send us to war? Will he attempt to expand his own powers? Will he crack down on fundamental rights? Will he threaten to punish or imprison his opponents?

Yes.

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
17. I feel myself wanting to withdraw
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:19 PM
Nov 2016

No news on TV, no online news, no progressive talk, and even no DU. It hasn't even STARTED yet!! I don't know if I can handle knowing what's going on in another month.

I'm 69 in December. I can't stand the thought that this fascist moron may well be the last President in my lifetime.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
22. The day after Election Day, I felt compelled to listen to Leonard Cohen all day.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:30 PM
Nov 2016

His often dark and cynical but occasionally optimistic musings pretty much spoke to me.

The next day they announced he had passed away.

safeinOhio

(32,632 posts)
23. Yesterday I sold a little over
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:32 PM
Nov 2016

half of stocks, retirement money, and put it in cash. The market is way up, but it may be the bang before the bust. Anyway, buy low and sell high.

safeinOhio

(32,632 posts)
42. Put it in my savings account
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:35 PM
Nov 2016

at the local bank. Some safety with Fed insurance and I'm no where near the limit on that.

In a couple of years and it looks like the repubs will get tossed, I'll buy back in. The ones I kept are old reliable companies that pay good dividends.

safeinOhio

(32,632 posts)
93. I know that feeling.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:47 PM
Nov 2016

But when the bottom falls out it will get real ugly. If I'm wrong I have not lost much, only what I haven't made already. I retired 15 years ago and have not added to my account. I have been taking my dividends out, not reinvesting them and I have doubled my investment and only took the half I made out.

Aviation Pro

(12,117 posts)
25. Not terrified....
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:37 PM
Nov 2016

...nope not at all. But here's who should be terrified, seniors who voted for POTUS-e and are now staring at the abyss when they have to pay into their Medicare benefits at a higher rate and it comes out of their SS income. (Under the Ryan plan which will become law).

They voted to kill themselves in their most vulnerable years.

3catwoman3

(23,943 posts)
28. "...that he's playing multi-dimensional chess, but....no. He's not."
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:59 PM
Nov 2016

Feels more like Whack-A-Mole to me. Just strike out and hit whatever pops up next with a mallet.

No thought - just reaction. Kind of like an amoeba that runs iinto a noxious stimulus.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
131. Only one recent president has been able to play multi-dimensional chess...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:43 AM
Nov 2016

To paraphrase some famous pundit whose name I don't recall, Trump plays chess the way a pigeon does: knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board, and then flies off to boast to his flock that he won the game.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
30. I'm just waiting.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:03 PM
Nov 2016

I think we all know full well that when things go south, the GOP will be out 24/7 on the media convincing everyone that it's actually the Democrats' fault that Trump was elected and people will believe them.

You can take that to the bank.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
41. I think they played that card to death in the last eight years
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:33 PM
Nov 2016

People that didn't vote because they felt things were rigged or worse or were just plain apathetic because every time they got involved with something they got screwed. Their vision came true also. I am also guessing the people with the most fear are the ones who have had less or little time down at the bottom.

If you want something to take to the bank, know that conservatives are mostly scared shitless of change and put blinders on whenever a revelation comes up that would change their world view. They want to live in a world that is no longer here. The world and what we know about is changing faster than eyes can blink. For these reasons and others, things for conservatives, as it seems to me, are not get any better and the conservatives brought it on themselves.

Initech

(100,029 posts)
31. I really hope that the alt right is a fad that will disappear in 2018.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:05 PM
Nov 2016

How did we elect such a crazy, insane man to the presidency? It wasn't Occupy or the Bernie movements. Instead it was the Republican hate machine cranked up way past 11. It was Glenn Beck. It was Alex Jones. It was Breitbart and Stormfront. The scary thing is hate sells, and it sold very well in this election. I too am very scared at what the next 4 years are going to bring.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
132. Ironic that you mention Glenn Beck...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:45 AM
Nov 2016

...because, in a rare medical breakthrough, he seems to have been cured of his insanity, and is now warning that Trump is going to be "the most dangerous president in our lifetime."

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
33. Why Trump?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:08 PM
Nov 2016

Why did folks vote for Trump? He is going to destroy everything we have all worked for. Sadly, it's those who did not understand why voting 3rd party or not at all that has led us to our own destruction.

cilla4progress

(24,714 posts)
34. You know you have the support of everyone on this board...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:09 PM
Nov 2016

and we all feel the same as you do. There are no words at this point. Hopefully establishment Republicans at least will come to their senses.

I keep taking a historical view, because I guess it is my wont (I like history, that is to say). Here are some things I think history will say -- assuming there is history in 50 - 500 years:

* President Obama was far and away the best President in the post-WWII era on any number of metrics. His assent to the Presidency represented the best in our country. There is some question in looking back on whether it was / he is an anomaly.

* The craven establishment Republicans who supported Trump represent the worst. They, who know better, will be history's cruelest victims and criminals, looking back.

* The thug hordes who voted for Trump for his racism and misogyny, are not new. Populists, by any other name. History has warned about the power of these types, once in their hands, and our system of government has built in many safety valves to prevent this...none of which worked.

* The resisitance we are embarking on will succeed in some measure, and fail in others. It is not an overnight success. We will be in it for the long haul. The forces of regression are so much stronger than the forces of progress. Because power once concentrated is only exponentially harder to dispel.

* The curious thing to see will be the reaction of the hordes when they fully realize they've been hornswaggled. Lied to.

dunno...can you add to this list?

BSdetect

(8,994 posts)
35. Also horrified and still sleepless
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:11 PM
Nov 2016

I fear for my grandchild now. I too may not see another election.

This is extremely disturbing.

The entire US system is corrupted.

A stacked SCOTUS is the final nail in the coffin.

kentuck

(111,051 posts)
117. I think we may need another constitutional Convention?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:08 PM
Nov 2016

There is so much that needs to be done and this Congress - the people that are supposed to be representing us- is asleep at the wheel.

I would heed the words of Tom Jefferson, or someone of his time, about "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".

We have to steel ourselves and be brave and believe.

ananda

(28,831 posts)
37. The Trump admin and the Reeps are fucking scary!
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:16 PM
Nov 2016

There is actually no vulnerable group they will leave
untouched in order to make the rich and corporate
richer and more powerful!

Even Medicare is going!

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
38. Nuclear war. That's the main concern with him as POTUS.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:18 PM
Nov 2016

I'm not trying to downplay other concerns about him, but survivors will feel pretty silly about their previous big worries if and when that comes about.

I'm not sure how nuclear missiles seemed to drop off our "collective radar" other than it's often not brought up by the media.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,852 posts)
140. Trump would turn on him in a heartbeat if he thought...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:59 AM
Nov 2016

... Putin wasn't "nice" to him.

Trump cares about Trump.

catbyte

(34,326 posts)
40. Exactly. I have not felt even remotely normal since the election. I fear for the planet, not just us
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:30 PM
Nov 2016

And here's a colossal FUCK YOU to everybody who voted for that orange sack of shit--for whatever reason. I don't want to "get along", or be your friend, hell, I don't even want to know you.

 

Dr. Mullion Blasto

(104 posts)
67. Ole "baboon butt," our prez-elect, makes my heart skip beats and add new ones.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:27 PM
Nov 2016

I'm hyperventilating, sleepless one night, sleeping 12 hours the next.

Drinking way too much wine at night, spending all my waking hours (almost) on the internet, especially Twitter (top 20 and incoming) DU, Kos and Huff post. I'm a shaky wreck. Feel like I'm "Little Nell" lying on the railroad tracks with a huge locomotive with 50 cars is bearing down on me. Hopeless and helpless.

Should we move, unload the "too big" mortgage, for a small place out of the city? Should we sell our stock as he already is affecting it via his wild comments?

I'm too old for all this craziness!

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
44. Meanwhile
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:36 PM
Nov 2016

as the country focuses on Trump's bizarre tactics, a republican congress will be trying to push through legislation to undo most of the positive changes Democrats have enacted for the past 50 years. Voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental regulations, the ACA, Social Security, etc. - The media will be covering the clown in the White House, while congress turns the clock back to 1950 or earlier.

We all have reason to be terrified.

lark

(23,059 posts)
47. I think it's worse than that, actually.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:37 PM
Nov 2016

I think he will take down the ship along with him. He can't win again nor can his party with the awful BS they are planning to wreak on us, destruction of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, no public schools. no healthcare for working poor, no clean air or clean water stds, environment seriously degraded, more people dying of respiratory diseases, public lands, coasts, and waters destroyed by unregulated drilling, no first amendment, no constitution, no country except Trumpland where he's emperor for life. Unfortunately, it won't be just us, it will be Europe that also is destroyed by Russian aggression and Drumpf breaking all the treaties that tie us to them or anyone else who won't significantly line his pockets to maintain their existence.

Repugs wouldn't be taking all these drastic measures if they thought they'd ever have to face the populace again. Even the trumpsters will feel the sting of no jobs, no medical care, exploding death rate, exploding poverty rate, exploding imprisonment rate for daring to say anything against the fuhrer, but by damn those brown people will have gotten theirs! (gag)

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
52. Worse yet, he's not just retweeting people with the sentiments in section b) of the OP,
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:48 PM
Nov 2016

he's appointing them to cabinet-level positions in the U.S. government!

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
55. ok so
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:54 PM
Nov 2016

Ok so, tell me, what are you going to do about it? Right now, we can only hope our Senators, and I will hold my newly elected Senator Chris Van Hollen accountable for what happens during Fuckumps only term.... Since we the people have very little to do or say, beings we can't even vote without getting hacked, need to rely on our Democrats in the house and Senate, expecially the Senate. We will need to get on our phones and email and tell Schumer and the rest to force the Senate to get 60 votes to pass anything, oh like what they did and are still doing to Obama.... FILIBUSTER YOUR ASSES OFF SENATORS... PASS NOTHING THAT IS AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.....

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
56. You are not alone.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:57 PM
Nov 2016

I'm terrified what a republican controlled government will do.

Here's a map of gubernatorial/state legislature control. That's a lot of fucking red across the nation. To the left of the map are buttons to view the history. It's alarming. Democratic leadership has been short sighted for a long time & now we'll all pay for it. Decades of progress about to be rolled back.

https://ballotpedia.org/Gubernatorial_and_legislative_party_control_of_state_government




muriel_volestrangler

(101,262 posts)
57. The tweets from his account aren't necessarily an indication of his thinking
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:59 PM
Nov 2016

They are (or were, during the campaign, and I'd think still are) controlled by one or more employees. They're designed to appeal to the deplorables who voted for him, or troll those who didn't, or to actually say what Trump thinks - and it's hard to classify each one.

But the way he talked in the NYT interview does make me think he doesn't have much ability to think about events or policy. His instincts are authoritarian and bigoted, and that's what he's most likely to fall back on, especially if surrounded by people who are like that.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
61. I think they are his own tweets.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:13 PM
Nov 2016

I can't imagine him letting anyone else tweet for him, as controlling as he is. Any responsible campaign employee would uninstall the twitter app to keep him from making an idiot of himself.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,262 posts)
72. There was an article during the campaign saying they had candidate tweets ready to go
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

and when Trump said something at a rally which matched with a pre-prepared tweet, a campaign employee would put it out in the 'realDonaldTrump' account during the speech. It was an interview with the employee (or perhaps volunteer, given Trump's legendary tightness).

Making an idiot (from our point of view) of himself is part of the brand. The deplorables like the idiot Trump. We get trolled by him. They'll tell anyone they want to take him seriously to ignore the twitter account as a political tool.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
77. I believe it's mixed between staffers and himself.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:44 PM
Nov 2016

I do know he has some staffers manning his account....hence why there continued to be Tweets from his account after it came out that his campaign had denied him access towards the end of the race. (And there'd be no reason to think they hadn't done so, because that's not something you want to freely admit about your own candidate.)

But I do think certain tweets--namely, the "rage spree tweets"--fit exclusively in Trump's own NPD character and the type of behavior we've witnessed from him at certain times. The impulsiveness, pettiness and targeted insults against his enemies, and the inability to let go, that describes Trump to a T, and can't really be replicated IMHO.

So what we see I believe is a combination between staffers and personal proclamations.

BumRushDaShow

(128,377 posts)
62. As I walked by the office TV during lunch, Andrea Mitchell was opining
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:14 PM
Nov 2016

about why Drumpf was going on an Ohio "victory tour", after which I exclaimed "OFFS!!!".... I
concluded that the only that might somewhat save us are the civil service workers. These are the folks who actually "run" the government while new administrations come and go.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
64. It is absolutely terrifying. There seems to be no balancing mechanism in place.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:20 PM
Nov 2016

I can't recall (I am 60) ever having the outcome of an election producing so much anger, anxiety and depression as this one. It is like an endless nightmare. Really, it is an affront to logic, intellect, and decency.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
154. Right?
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 06:01 PM
Nov 2016

W was infuriating. This threat goes so far beyond, and will be so much worse for us all, and the world.





 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
115. Yes
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:40 PM
Nov 2016

From now on I'm calling it joke America. It's not a real America. It's a joke. A bad bad joke. i think it's an alternate history that was never supposed to happen.

sinkingfeeling

(51,436 posts)
65. I agree. I truly believe this is the end of the Founding
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:22 PM
Nov 2016

Fathers' America. It will never be the same nor hold the promise it has in the past. It's done.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
73. We are a full on authoritarian, fascist state now
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016

And, it didn't start with Trump.

On November 7th the Rs had both chambers of congress and good majorities of governorships and state houses and senates.

Trump was just the meglomaniac figurehead to finish it off.

The people of this country really have not gotten what they have done.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
107. Or maybe they have, and just don't give a flying fuck...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:53 PM
Nov 2016

...that would be the scariest scenario of all. They elected a fascist with their eyes wide open, and just don't care.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
66. I AGREE. And EVERYTHING he
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:27 PM
Nov 2016

does would be a COMPLETE disqualification for anybody else. I cannot believe-- even at this late stage--that THIS is what we have coming into the Oval Office. I am terrified and ashamed--not sure which one wins out here.

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
70. There is every reason to be
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

I believe that fully - there is every reason to be terrified about a Trump presidency.

Yeah, I make jokes and I mock the fucker, but we're into some seriously scary shit with Trump.



WomanWhoRoars

(175 posts)
74. Tweety bird - that's right
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:36 PM
Nov 2016

I, for one, hope that Trump continues to tweet and tweet a lot - it only serves to hurt him. I've read that the biggest insult you can give him is to suggest he's not as rich as he is or as smart of a businessman as he claims. His ego HAS to be stroked.

I also think Melania would have divorced him in 6 months had he not won. Now, she's stuck with Orange Julius.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
75. Me too... but the big question is what the fuck can we do about it?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:37 PM
Nov 2016

And why don't Obama and other Dems says something??

Kablooie

(18,605 posts)
81. That's been my biggest fear all along.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:58 PM
Nov 2016

Policy changes are disturbing but they can still be adjusted in the future, (global warming being an exception, of course.)

But the biggest issue is his character and how he will react to a major crisis.
He is not someone who understands the seriousness of his position and never he seems to consider the consequences of his actions.

This man will have complete control of the US nuclear armaments and will be free to use them at his will.
There are no checks and balances for presidential use of nuclear weapons. He can order an attack on anywhere at his own discretion.
The only thing that can stop him is if someone in the chain of command below defies orders and doesn't carry through their part of the plan.

His seat of the pants, knee jerk, reactive actions have the potential to change the future of all humanity on earth.

It was assumed that the president of the United States would always take his responsibilities seriously and a madman would never be elected, but those assumptions seem to be wrong.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
82. How is any of this surprising?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:05 PM
Nov 2016

We knew he's an undisciplined candidate who loved the attention he gets from his tweets. We already knew that he has an ego large enough to concoct mathematical fiction. It's no coincidence that his claim taps into the reasoning some give for photo ID for voting laws- undocumented immigrants voting.

And going after flag burning is nothing new when a politician of any party wants to tap into nationalistic ferver. Since he's been doing that for months it is exactly in keeping with the guy who presented himself as a candidate.

He's right in his head enough to gather followers, win an election, and scare us. He probably reads DU and RW sites and laughs at us all because he's not and never has shown himself to actually be interested in what happens after campaigning and winning.

RKP5637

(67,084 posts)
84. And so ended the USA in its descent into Idiocracy as China recalled the debt because of
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:11 PM
Nov 2016

a twitter storm unleashed by Herr Trump.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
94. If the Republicans had an ounce of conscience
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:44 PM
Nov 2016

or dignity, they would stop this catastrophe that's about to descend on this country.

Of course we know they don't have an trace of either.

ramapo

(4,587 posts)
95. It is scary but politics is like the weather
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:48 PM
Nov 2016

Changes occur quickly, sometimes without much warning.

Look back...

2016 Clinton won but lost

2008 Obama had it all, two years later he was on the way down

2004 Bush had the permanent Republican majority

1972 Nixon reelected in historic landslide, nuff said

1964 LBJ wipes the country with Goldwater, four years he was gone

1928 Herbert Hoover wins big, total Republican control, four years later came Roosevelt

Many somewhat less dramatic but very significant turn arounds have taken place.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
99. I hope all those YouTube videos are right
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:15 PM
Nov 2016

That Obama is the antichrist and will usurp the Constitution and declare himself perpetual ruler before he is set to leave office.

That would be so much better.

Qanisqineq

(4,826 posts)
100. I am nervous about him, but terrified for Standing Rock
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016

I live 30 miles to the north of the protester/protecter camp, also in Morton County (the county with the crazy sheriff). I am terrified of what the police and National Guard and Gov. Dalpimple will do. Too much media blackout. I think they see so many oil dollar signs and they will just mow the "savages" down. I can't even bare to hear about it lately.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
102. Make sure your passport is up-to-date if you're one of those minorities that Trump loves to hate.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:20 PM
Nov 2016

Get the passport CARD, too--handy for overland egress.

mnhtnbb

(31,371 posts)
104. I advised both my sons--who are gay--to renew their passports.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:27 PM
Nov 2016

Mine is currently being renewed and should be returned before the first of January. It was due to expire Nov 2017. No way I'd wait to let
a Trump regime handle the renewal.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
113. I think it is smart to prepare for the worst, even as we hope for the best down the road.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:31 PM
Nov 2016

I've lived in "PAPERS....let me see your PAPERS!!!!" countries. Ya gotta keep yer stuff up-to-date and be ready to roll at a moment's notice....

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
136. My wife and I renewed ours on the Thursday (her first day off) after the election...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:58 AM
Nov 2016

...while at the office, we were confronted with the question of whether to accept the standard processing time (4-6 weeks), or pay $100+ extra for "expedited processing" of 2-3 weeks. I went over it in my calendar to make sure that 6 weeks would still get them safely in-hand before the inauguration, but then my wife pointed out that many federal offices slow down due to vacations being taken during the holidays. In the end, we paid the extra cash.

mnhtnbb

(31,371 posts)
152. I hope I don't regret not paying the extra because I looked at the calendar, too.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:20 AM
Nov 2016

Six weeks for me is up before the first of January, so I'm hoping to be ok.

mnhtnbb

(31,371 posts)
155. My passport renewal application was processed in less than 2 weeks!
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 12:19 AM
Dec 2016

Paid for standard processing (advertised as 4-6 weeks). They received the application on 11/17, issued 11/30, and I had it in hand 12/3! Whew!
Don't like being without it.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
135. "Passport cards" don't allow air or ship travel...
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 04:54 AM
Nov 2016

You can get to Canada or Mexico (whichever is closest) with them, but nowhere else. And neither is a place where you can just cross the border and settle there. Canada has pretty stringent immigration requirements, where you pretty much need to be young and have seriously in-demand skills to settle there. Mexico is a bit less tough, but still requires you apply for permanent residency before entering their country, not once you're already there.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
148. No, but you can travel over land and they fit in a wallet.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:30 AM
Nov 2016

Are you telling me that if Trump started imprisoning Muslims or gays that Canada wouldn't take them in?

Please. Canada still gives a shit about people at risk.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
105. Yes I fear we are in for a major shit storm
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:31 PM
Nov 2016

and I don't just mean us democrats - I mean the WHOLE GOD DAMN COUNTRY and maybe more.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
108. Please tell me you didn't just realize this
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:08 PM
Nov 2016

We know he is a scary, thin skinned narcissist and probable sex offender who listens to whatever the voices in his head tell him at a given moment.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,145 posts)
151. Not at all.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:11 AM
Nov 2016

When people got all excited that Trump was going to be the GOP nominee, I didn't. Because I knew anything that got him one step closer to the White House was putting us in grave danger.

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
109. Don't be weak. You need to be strong and clear
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:08 PM
Nov 2016

We survived Vietnam but only because we were united and not weak.

That is the way to fight.

kentuck

(111,051 posts)
116. I sense that some are not sensing the seriousness of the matter.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:00 PM
Nov 2016

There is no rationality in terror. It is terrifying.

I can understand where the feelings come from. Does fate have to deal us such a cruel hand?

Can we not whisper through the window of time?

We must.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
124. I'm afraid you are right. People have tuned out because they cannot face what is to come.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 01:34 AM
Nov 2016

Ostrich syndrome.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,082 posts)
125. Why doesn't the electorate realize that the GOP is a racket? it is the money.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 03:51 AM
Nov 2016

The most detested man and Congress got elected. And our useless media wanted this.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
138. Here, Here....
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:35 AM
Nov 2016

The Solace in the Storm To Come is our local Democratic Convention Meeting on Monday night had robust attendance with over 100 people in the room. This was refreshing and it appears the troops are gearing up for the fight ahead.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
139. We are about to embark on the most difficult journey, these next four years.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:39 AM
Nov 2016

in the most difficult times in AMERICAN HISTORY. Buckle up, its gonna be a bumpy ride.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
143. It's just that the people who will most suffer are those who are low
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:45 AM
Nov 2016

Income, seniors on SS/medicare, the disabled etc. The top tier will get all the tax breaks and they will wipe out Obama Care. We have to ask our Dem Congressmen/women to start carrying a baseball bat (metaphorically speaking) with them and start swinging. If I become afraid because of my LGBT status, I will either buy a gun, or move to another country.

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
147. You are assuming you will be able to move to another country
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 08:04 AM
Nov 2016

Many Mainland Chinese at one time, could not leave their country despite their hardships. If our government says no to travel outside the US than we all will be stuck here. The Canadian border may be closed as well.

It maybe that the Democratic Party might be in grave trouble if its declared an illegal entity. Imagine having the choice of being a Republican, or nothing at all, and losing what ever voting rights we all enjoyed.

Worst yet, imagine a controlled Internet, like in China, where certain websites are not reachable, and places like Democratic Underground no longer have permission to exist. It all could happen.

DFW

(54,268 posts)
146. This is Lord of the Flies all over again
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 07:55 AM
Nov 2016

And we are Piggy, unless we start now preparing not to be pushed off a cliff.

Freethinker65

(9,998 posts)
153. Feel the same. Am applying for my passport today.
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:21 AM
Nov 2016

Do not know if I will use it, but I will feel better having it. I even spent some time looking for information on Canadian ancestors several generation back. Told my freethinking college freshman son to get his education and spend a semester studying abroad. I told him if he eventually moves out of the country, I may follow him.
I was numb after Bush/Gore, but this is different.

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