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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGuys, I've got to say, I'm sort of terrified right now.
The man in line to be the 45th President of the United States spent yesterday retweeting:
a) a 16 year old with absolutely no sense of logical thought
b) someone who posts things like this:
#IslamIsADeathCult #IslamIsTheProblem #BanMuslimsNotGuns #BanSharia #IslamIsCancer
#Muslims did not come to America to be Americans! WAKEUP!
in order to justify his position that he somehow was the victim of voter fraud in an election that he won electorally.
He then attacks a media outlet and claims he won the election in a "landslide" despite the fact he received over 2 million less votes than his opponent.
Finally, he decides to attack the pressing issue of flag burning and says people who burn the flag ought to be imprisoned and stripped of their US Citizenship.
The man is an mentally incompetent lunatic, pure and simple. And we're supposed to trust this person with our country?
I know there are some people who claim he's doing this all to distract against other issues, that he's playing multi-dimensional chess, but....no. He's not. He's essentially chucking checker pieces at his opponent. That's as deep as he gets.
Forget politics for a moment. Forget policy. Throw that all out the window for the time being--we can come back to all that if Pence gets into power. Right now, this is a watershed moment in US history, and in a very bad, dark way.
I've never be someone to be an alarmist. I've always tried to maintain a calm, reasoned and rational outlook on things. After the Supreme Court issued its ruling in 2000, I was pissed. I predicted we'd go back to war with Iraq and I was proven right. And in 2004, I was flabbergasted that we would re-elect Bush. But throughout all of that, I could clearly see four years down the road, what our next plan would be for the next go-round. And God help me, but I'm not seeing that clearly for 2020. I can hope we're still basically functional, but that's no longer a given.
And that's absolutely terrifying.
The first few months of the Trump presidency will have its ups and downs but won't feel too out of sorts. The problem will be when he faces his first major crisis, and at some point he will face that major crisis whatever it is. How he reacts will be everything, and I can't trust him to react normally because he's not normal. Will he send us to war? Will he attempt to expand his own powers? Will he crack down on fundamental rights? Will he threaten to punish or imprison his opponents? I can't believe I'm imagining any of this happening, but the day after election day I woke up literally shaking for the first time in my life and there's got to be a reason for that.
We cannot depend on this man to lead us. He's not right in the head and I fear he's going to take the country to some very dark places before we can right this ship again.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)God help US all.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...my God, is there anyone who isn't expecting this? Something--maybe another "terror attack", maybe an "assassination attempt", anything--and we'll have our very own Enabling Act. Given his mentality, this is *exactly* the sort of thing that would appeal to him. In 2020, we won't have an election, we'll have the 99% referendum that despots love so much.
kairos12
(12,841 posts)WilliamPlanke
(50 posts)The Donald is so predicable that even the dumbest "bad guys" know how to manipulate him.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)God, somebody, aliens, help us.
bdamomma
(63,791 posts)if we love our country it will come to bloodshed, I pray to a higher power this does not happen but this is our country and he is our own homegrown terrorist who is not mentally fit to hold office. He just does not understand, our Congress will not either they better not give him a free pass.
Just remember we are seeing our free speech in the process of deteriorating, that is unacceptable.
Sickening that in 2016 we are sinking back into the dark ages.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)despite millions of people being on the right side
mythology
(9,527 posts)It wasn't true then either. Giuliani tried to postpone the NYC mayoral election 2 months after the September 11th attacks and got rejected.
There will be elections in 2018, 2020, 2022 etc.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...nor is the GOP quite what it was then, either. The institutions of liberal democracy are much weaker now, and Trump is--to be blunt--a fascist.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Trump is an idiot. Yes. No doubt. But i doubt he's going to instantly implement martial law when he takes office. he'll be opposed like others we didnt like were opposed. He's nothing special
DU is becoming the WND of the left with the constant posting of "the end is near" OPs. Trump is a 4 yr speed bump.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and Jones is big on phony "false flag" claims, I can definitely see them going down this road.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)In it, within a few months of Trump taking office, there was a huge terrorist attack -- a nuclear device detonated in San Francisco. And not just a "suitcase nuke," either, but a full-fledged multi-megaton bomb. ISIS, presumably, but...it's a pretty-ill-kept secret that major U.S. cities have sensors along the major routes to detect the presence of the radiation that would be generated by a full-fledged H-bomb. Somehow, one of the sensors must have "malfunctioned"...I guess.
Anyway, of course, Trump immediately declared a state of emergency invoking martial law, with the majority of Americans, in shock, willing to trust him to provide them safety. National borders were closed, ostensibly to prevent the terrorists from escaping before they could be brought to justice but, of course, also making sure no citizens wishing to flee could do so. Television broadcasts were taken off the air, with all news being provided by an official government channel, "for the time being." Similarly, a "walled garden" Internet was instituted, so that most social media networks where people could speak their minds were replaced by government-approved facsimiles.
Needless to say, all Muslims, citizens or not, were rounded up and sent to interment camps located at decommissioned military bases and, in a twist of irony, some WWII internment sites.
Then, what would eventually become known as the "nights of darkness" began, with security forces descending on neighborhoods, pulling selected families out of their homes, and taking them away to...? No one ever found out. Apparently, the new "temporary" government had made it its strategy, rather than arresting well-known opposition leaders or celebrities, to take out random members of the rank-and-file, as judged by easily-obtained information like political contribution records and posting materials critical of President Trump on the old, now-shut-down networks like Facebook and Twitter. Instead of taking away famous people whose disappearance would spark mass dissent, the strategy was to "disappear" innocuous, "ordinary" people...but just enough of them that their neighbors would notice and keep compliant, in the fear that what happened to Bob and Laura down the street might easily happen to them, too, if they weren't careful.
In the dream, the knock in the dead-of-night finally came at our door. In the last moments, my wife and I were standing in our driveway in the darkness, waiting to be loaded into the van to take us off to wherever the firing-squad and mass grave designated for us were located. The last act permitted, in "kindness" to us, was to say goodbye to our much-loved cat and let him out of the house so he could run free, and hopefully find someone else in the neighborhood to take him in.
Then I woke up.
But the nightmare (vision?) never really ended. And, every day, I see more and more signs that we're drawing closer to the time when it becomes a reality.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)Malania and Barron are staying in NY until June.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)These dimwits would have voted for Hitler.
LisaM
(27,792 posts)It all works out to the same thing.
Say, since you brought it up, let's also blame the high-handed Hillary supporters that made a third party vote so palatable. Let's blame a needlessly zealous DLC that gave every perception of favoritism, and hey, let's blame our own candidate that managed to blow her massive advantage and lose this thing.
I actually believe NONE of what you or I have said actually cost Hillary the election. It was some from every column, but I wanted you to feel ho alienating you venom is. I think we need to WIN those voters back.
Best of luck processing this loss and moving beyond the anger stage. I wish you a productive and constructive election cycle in 2018 an 2020.
Why are you picking on me? I don't miss elections. I've turned out in bad weather to vote for single-issue school elections year after year when I don't even have kids. I research things like judges if that's the only thing on the ballot.
And I also don't toss my vote away when I know that there is a bigger picture than just the little world I live in.
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)Cha
(296,779 posts)Which is a damn fact.. your post is just being disingenuously insulting.
kairos12
(12,841 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,082 posts)I was too horrified by that statement to ask which.
njcpa1978
(114 posts)I am reading a book called Hitler-A study in Tyranny. While the parallels to Trump and Hitler are clear, as are the ones to Goebbels and Bannon, but what I find the major difference is Hitler had a plan beyond Chancellor. Duetschland uber alles. Trump's plan is - Now I am president, what the F' do I do now? I am as worried about what his kids will do in a crisis. That is who is going to run the country. I can see the woman in the military having to wear Ivanka Khakis.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,082 posts)My friend in high finance also thinks everyone without a career should have at least 3 jobs. She works average 10-12 hour days because she is a workaholic. And she loves telling people how to run their lives.
We are no longer close friends.
raging moderate
(4,292 posts)If you factor in all the extra work hours spent on childcare, eldercare, and running households, many people work 16 hour days!
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,082 posts)Wall Street mentality.
DFW
(54,268 posts)Yesterday, I got up at 4:30, was on the road by 5:30, and got home after 11:00 PM.
Some people have no clue what a "workday" entails for others. Funny how they turn out to be the ones who like most to lecture other people on how they should structure their lives.
murielm99
(30,712 posts)We are going to have to work against him while we still can do it openly. Things could go bad quickly. How crazy are his kids? How far will they go?
astral
(2,531 posts)It's not a new topic. While the unknown is to be feared, I don't believe most of the things people are projecting here. We will have to witness him in action.
I also don't get the demonization of his kids in this mess. He's got bright, good-looking kids who don't have any history of misbehaving. They may be an asset to our country at some point, if anything.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)bench scientist
(1,107 posts)But Trump won't make the trains run on time.Trump is going to blow up the tracks and charge us all to rebuild them.
dhol82
(9,351 posts)patricia92243
(12,591 posts)will EVER do it. So, we are in a mess.
I'm scared too. I go around with a sick feeling of dread. I am usually not like this.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)They will be too busy trying to rein in this dipshit to get much of anything done, which they don't anyway.
They don't have a mandate to put through an extremist agenda.
The GOP forced Nixon out. They can do it again. The GOP can invoke the 25th amendment and jettison impeachment.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)You say they don't have a mandate, but when has that ever stopped them?
I live in Wisconsin.
In 2010, Scott Walker won (with Reince Preibus at the reins), and the legislature and courts were GOP controlled. Now, even though the margins were slim (and legislaturally, I believe D's got more votes than R's--thanks Gerrymandering!), and there was nothing like a mandate, that didn't even slow them down. The presence of a couple moderate GOP-ers didn't slow them down either.
Within a month, the most extreme legislature WI had ever seen was blasted through the State government.
They don't care about "mandates." They care about power. Which they now have.
The first 100 days are going to be very very scary indeed. We saw what Preibus did in WI when his boys got to run the show. Now his boys own the country. God help us all.
We are SO fucked with what is coming though congress.
And, the know there is no calvary coming in to years, they get a VERY favorable senate cycle and we have no hope for the House, so they know the have a four year run.
Look, Trump is going to be a disaster, but CONGRESS is where people need to be focusing.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Then we'd be ruled over by Christian Taliban leader Pence.
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)That's a unwarranted concern. If a GOP congress dumps Trump, they will have no problem telling "zero mandate" Pence that he isn't in charge. If they were to take a step bold enough to impeach a guy who ran under their party's standard, they will be emboldened enough to tell Pence he's a toothless figurehead.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...I'm quite confident that, when his four or eight years were up, he'd step aside for whoever was his successor, just as Dubya did for Obama.
With Trump, I very much doubt we'll even have an election in 2024. Or maybe not in 2020, if there was a chance he could lose.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Remember Trump's offer to Kasich? Be my Vice President and you can handle foreign and domestic policy, and I'll handle everything else.
There's no way Trump even knows who people like Jeff Sessions or Tom Price are.
treestar
(82,383 posts)GWC58
(2,678 posts)I've never been dreadful of an incoming admin I didn't vote for. This feels way different and I don't mind saying I'm petrified.
tinrobot
(10,883 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
So... Pence and a half dozen or so cabinet members can declare him incompetent and Pence becomes president.
Pretty simple, except for this:
TLDR: Trump can declare himself competent, and then Pence and the cabinet would argue he's not. If that happens, the whole thing goes to Congress for a 2/3 vote.
Simpler than impeachment in some respects, because it does not require the complexities of a trial. It is just an up/down vote.
patricia92243
(12,591 posts)the Senate, etc. to start the ball rolling. If not, they could declare any Prez they didn't like incompetent and get rid of him.
Just a thought.
tinrobot
(10,883 posts)It is solely up to the VP and the Cabinet to make that call.
They already have plenty of evidence that he is incompetent, so... with a willing Congress, they could find a reason.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)It sounds possible, except that I can't see how, even if Pence and leading Republican congresscritters decide he's gone off the rails, they'd be able to get a majority of the Cabinet to back them. It seems that Mad King Donald the Popular-Vote-Loser has staffed his Cabinet with the greatest priority being personal loyalty/indebtedness to him.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)As soon as he does something Progressive, which he might just because he is so erratic, or causes a big international incident, they will pull the plug and impeach him themselves to get to Pence. Pence is a refined, evil man, willing to impose his religion on the rest of us, whereas Trump is an evil wild card. What a Faustian choice? When Mike Pence is your best choice, you know you have some really crappy choices for sure!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Frankly, I think Bannon understands the psychology involved and the political theater and is encouraging it.
Be concerned about the Big Picture.
Try to ignore the onslaught of distractions.
It's like a smoke screen Trump/Bannon are throwing out. And behind the smoke, they're plowing ahead.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)rump's ranting's are just a distraction. We need to pay attention to the destruction his team and the republicans are planning for the country
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Every single rep or senator who votes that way risks his or her political career.
We still have the vote, remember?
RobinA
(9,884 posts)I find that comforting at this point. I would have said no great number of people would be dumb enough to elect Trump, and we know how that turned out.
you have no idea how wrong you are ...
world wide wally
(21,734 posts)He is simply fucking nuts
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Tom Price might go after Medicare and Medicaid, too
11/29/2016 12:35 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-price-hhs-obamacare_us_583d0444e4b06539a78a3d45?8b6hwwig4vl323xr
President-elect Donald Trump will name an ultra-conservative surgeon, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), to run the Department of Health and Human Services.
House Republicans, led by Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, have long called for converting Medicare into some kind of voucher scheme, in which seniors would get a fixed sum of money with which to choose a health plan.
Price has also endorsed transforming Medicaid into a block grant ― in other words, giving states a fixed sum of money with which to run the program and then reducing the federal governments spending on it.
During the presidential campaign, Trump indicated he would not cut either Medicare or Medicaid. But language on his new transition website says that he will modernize Medicare and give states more flexibility over Medicaid. In Washington, those terms are typically euphemisms for privatizing Medicare and transforming Medicaid into a block grant.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... exactly what DPutin does
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)womanofthehills
(8,657 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)in the National Security apparatus, what I believe author James Bamford
called the 'deep state'
There are parameters on the presidency
Though frankly i'm surprised they've let us get into this pickle
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I will never understand why some folks persist in believing fairy tales like this.
The truly dangerous part of the deep state myth is that it potentially absolves the President and his administration of certain actions. They should not be absolved, they are responsible.
The President can remove/appoint any member of the military or security services at will at any time.
Cassidy
(201 posts)I worked for the EPA during the Reagan and Bush I years. I fear the power of the President and the dangerous, damaged man to whom we have given this power. But I know from experience that there are many individuals within the government who are professionals who believe in their work and their missions.
Thanks to unionization, he cannot remove most of the real workers. We must recognize and support those who are usually derided as bureaucrats.
I remember a full page ad that NRDC placed in the NYT to support the EPA employees during those dark times. They acknowledged us and the work we continued to do to protect Americans and our environment. It was a gracious gesture and lifted spirits.
Some will resist from within and we must acknowledge and support their resistance.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...that drastically cuts the power of the unions (think Wisconsin), and makes it much easier to fire government workers without cause, and without the union being able to protect them.
RobinA
(9,884 posts)in a deep state. But somewhere along the way, maybe since about 9/11, I started to have my doubts. When Congress went off the rails and started to run solely on hate I realized that there are no adults behind the scenes to save us.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)sure is what it feels like right now...
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)Yes.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)No news on TV, no online news, no progressive talk, and even no DU. It hasn't even STARTED yet!! I don't know if I can handle knowing what's going on in another month.
I'm 69 in December. I can't stand the thought that this fascist moron may well be the last President in my lifetime.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)His often dark and cynical but occasionally optimistic musings pretty much spoke to me.
The next day they announced he had passed away.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)sheshe2
(83,637 posts)safeinOhio
(32,632 posts)half of stocks, retirement money, and put it in cash. The market is way up, but it may be the bang before the bust. Anyway, buy low and sell high.
cilla4progress
(24,714 posts)Cash under your mattress?
Or put in a MMA?
safeinOhio
(32,632 posts)at the local bank. Some safety with Fed insurance and I'm no where near the limit on that.
In a couple of years and it looks like the repubs will get tossed, I'll buy back in. The ones I kept are old reliable companies that pay good dividends.
cilla4progress
(24,714 posts)really want to do this, but don't know if I have the nerve!
safeinOhio
(32,632 posts)But when the bottom falls out it will get real ugly. If I'm wrong I have not lost much, only what I haven't made already. I retired 15 years ago and have not added to my account. I have been taking my dividends out, not reinvesting them and I have doubled my investment and only took the half I made out.
Aviation Pro
(12,117 posts)...nope not at all. But here's who should be terrified, seniors who voted for POTUS-e and are now staring at the abyss when they have to pay into their Medicare benefits at a higher rate and it comes out of their SS income. (Under the Ryan plan which will become law).
They voted to kill themselves in their most vulnerable years.
BSdetect
(8,994 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,117 posts)...it's not his problem anymore.
3catwoman3
(23,943 posts)Feels more like Whack-A-Mole to me. Just strike out and hit whatever pops up next with a mallet.
No thought - just reaction. Kind of like an amoeba that runs iinto a noxious stimulus.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)To paraphrase some famous pundit whose name I don't recall, Trump plays chess the way a pigeon does: knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board, and then flies off to boast to his flock that he won the game.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)I think we all know full well that when things go south, the GOP will be out 24/7 on the media convincing everyone that it's actually the Democrats' fault that Trump was elected and people will believe them.
You can take that to the bank.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)People that didn't vote because they felt things were rigged or worse or were just plain apathetic because every time they got involved with something they got screwed. Their vision came true also. I am also guessing the people with the most fear are the ones who have had less or little time down at the bottom.
If you want something to take to the bank, know that conservatives are mostly scared shitless of change and put blinders on whenever a revelation comes up that would change their world view. They want to live in a world that is no longer here. The world and what we know about is changing faster than eyes can blink. For these reasons and others, things for conservatives, as it seems to me, are not get any better and the conservatives brought it on themselves.
Initech
(100,029 posts)How did we elect such a crazy, insane man to the presidency? It wasn't Occupy or the Bernie movements. Instead it was the Republican hate machine cranked up way past 11. It was Glenn Beck. It was Alex Jones. It was Breitbart and Stormfront. The scary thing is hate sells, and it sold very well in this election. I too am very scared at what the next 4 years are going to bring.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...because, in a rare medical breakthrough, he seems to have been cured of his insanity, and is now warning that Trump is going to be "the most dangerous president in our lifetime."
Initech
(100,029 posts)DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)Why did folks vote for Trump? He is going to destroy everything we have all worked for. Sadly, it's those who did not understand why voting 3rd party or not at all that has led us to our own destruction.
cilla4progress
(24,714 posts)and we all feel the same as you do. There are no words at this point. Hopefully establishment Republicans at least will come to their senses.
I keep taking a historical view, because I guess it is my wont (I like history, that is to say). Here are some things I think history will say -- assuming there is history in 50 - 500 years:
* President Obama was far and away the best President in the post-WWII era on any number of metrics. His assent to the Presidency represented the best in our country. There is some question in looking back on whether it was / he is an anomaly.
* The craven establishment Republicans who supported Trump represent the worst. They, who know better, will be history's cruelest victims and criminals, looking back.
* The thug hordes who voted for Trump for his racism and misogyny, are not new. Populists, by any other name. History has warned about the power of these types, once in their hands, and our system of government has built in many safety valves to prevent this...none of which worked.
* The resisitance we are embarking on will succeed in some measure, and fail in others. It is not an overnight success. We will be in it for the long haul. The forces of regression are so much stronger than the forces of progress. Because power once concentrated is only exponentially harder to dispel.
* The curious thing to see will be the reaction of the hordes when they fully realize they've been hornswaggled. Lied to.
dunno...can you add to this list?
BSdetect
(8,994 posts)I fear for my grandchild now. I too may not see another election.
This is extremely disturbing.
The entire US system is corrupted.
A stacked SCOTUS is the final nail in the coffin.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)There is so much that needs to be done and this Congress - the people that are supposed to be representing us- is asleep at the wheel.
I would heed the words of Tom Jefferson, or someone of his time, about "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".
We have to steel ourselves and be brave and believe.
ananda
(28,831 posts)There is actually no vulnerable group they will leave
untouched in order to make the rich and corporate
richer and more powerful!
Even Medicare is going!
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)I'm not trying to downplay other concerns about him, but survivors will feel pretty silly about their previous big worries if and when that comes about.
I'm not sure how nuclear missiles seemed to drop off our "collective radar" other than it's often not brought up by the media.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...seeing as Putin is his bff.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,852 posts)... Putin wasn't "nice" to him.
Trump cares about Trump.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)catbyte
(34,326 posts)And here's a colossal FUCK YOU to everybody who voted for that orange sack of shit--for whatever reason. I don't want to "get along", or be your friend, hell, I don't even want to know you.
Dr. Mullion Blasto
(104 posts)I'm hyperventilating, sleepless one night, sleeping 12 hours the next.
Drinking way too much wine at night, spending all my waking hours (almost) on the internet, especially Twitter (top 20 and incoming) DU, Kos and Huff post. I'm a shaky wreck. Feel like I'm "Little Nell" lying on the railroad tracks with a huge locomotive with 50 cars is bearing down on me. Hopeless and helpless.
Should we move, unload the "too big" mortgage, for a small place out of the city? Should we sell our stock as he already is affecting it via his wild comments?
I'm too old for all this craziness!
PatSeg
(47,239 posts)as the country focuses on Trump's bizarre tactics, a republican congress will be trying to push through legislation to undo most of the positive changes Democrats have enacted for the past 50 years. Voting rights, civil rights, women's rights, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental regulations, the ACA, Social Security, etc. - The media will be covering the clown in the White House, while congress turns the clock back to 1950 or earlier.
We all have reason to be terrified.
lark
(23,059 posts)I think he will take down the ship along with him. He can't win again nor can his party with the awful BS they are planning to wreak on us, destruction of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, no public schools. no healthcare for working poor, no clean air or clean water stds, environment seriously degraded, more people dying of respiratory diseases, public lands, coasts, and waters destroyed by unregulated drilling, no first amendment, no constitution, no country except Trumpland where he's emperor for life. Unfortunately, it won't be just us, it will be Europe that also is destroyed by Russian aggression and Drumpf breaking all the treaties that tie us to them or anyone else who won't significantly line his pockets to maintain their existence.
Repugs wouldn't be taking all these drastic measures if they thought they'd ever have to face the populace again. Even the trumpsters will feel the sting of no jobs, no medical care, exploding death rate, exploding poverty rate, exploding imprisonment rate for daring to say anything against the fuhrer, but by damn those brown people will have gotten theirs! (gag)
dae
(3,396 posts)slope.
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)he's appointing them to cabinet-level positions in the U.S. government!
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)Ok so, tell me, what are you going to do about it? Right now, we can only hope our Senators, and I will hold my newly elected Senator Chris Van Hollen accountable for what happens during Fuckumps only term.... Since we the people have very little to do or say, beings we can't even vote without getting hacked, need to rely on our Democrats in the house and Senate, expecially the Senate. We will need to get on our phones and email and tell Schumer and the rest to force the Senate to get 60 votes to pass anything, oh like what they did and are still doing to Obama.... FILIBUSTER YOUR ASSES OFF SENATORS... PASS NOTHING THAT IS AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.....
CrispyQ
(36,413 posts)I'm terrified what a republican controlled government will do.
Here's a map of gubernatorial/state legislature control. That's a lot of fucking red across the nation. To the left of the map are buttons to view the history. It's alarming. Democratic leadership has been short sighted for a long time & now we'll all pay for it. Decades of progress about to be rolled back.
https://ballotpedia.org/Gubernatorial_and_legislative_party_control_of_state_government
muriel_volestrangler
(101,262 posts)They are (or were, during the campaign, and I'd think still are) controlled by one or more employees. They're designed to appeal to the deplorables who voted for him, or troll those who didn't, or to actually say what Trump thinks - and it's hard to classify each one.
But the way he talked in the NYT interview does make me think he doesn't have much ability to think about events or policy. His instincts are authoritarian and bigoted, and that's what he's most likely to fall back on, especially if surrounded by people who are like that.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I can't imagine him letting anyone else tweet for him, as controlling as he is. Any responsible campaign employee would uninstall the twitter app to keep him from making an idiot of himself.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,262 posts)and when Trump said something at a rally which matched with a pre-prepared tweet, a campaign employee would put it out in the 'realDonaldTrump' account during the speech. It was an interview with the employee (or perhaps volunteer, given Trump's legendary tightness).
Making an idiot (from our point of view) of himself is part of the brand. The deplorables like the idiot Trump. We get trolled by him. They'll tell anyone they want to take him seriously to ignore the twitter account as a political tool.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)I do know he has some staffers manning his account....hence why there continued to be Tweets from his account after it came out that his campaign had denied him access towards the end of the race. (And there'd be no reason to think they hadn't done so, because that's not something you want to freely admit about your own candidate.)
But I do think certain tweets--namely, the "rage spree tweets"--fit exclusively in Trump's own NPD character and the type of behavior we've witnessed from him at certain times. The impulsiveness, pettiness and targeted insults against his enemies, and the inability to let go, that describes Trump to a T, and can't really be replicated IMHO.
So what we see I believe is a combination between staffers and personal proclamations.
BumRushDaShow
(128,377 posts)about why Drumpf was going on an Ohio "victory tour", after which I exclaimed "OFFS!!!".... I
concluded that the only that might somewhat save us are the civil service workers. These are the folks who actually "run" the government while new administrations come and go.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)I can't recall (I am 60) ever having the outcome of an election producing so much anger, anxiety and depression as this one. It is like an endless nightmare. Really, it is an affront to logic, intellect, and decency.
CrispyQ
(36,413 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)W was infuriating. This threat goes so far beyond, and will be so much worse for us all, and the world.
Generator
(7,770 posts)From now on I'm calling it joke America. It's not a real America. It's a joke. A bad bad joke. i think it's an alternate history that was never supposed to happen.
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)Fathers' America. It will never be the same nor hold the promise it has in the past. It's done.
Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)And, it didn't start with Trump.
On November 7th the Rs had both chambers of congress and good majorities of governorships and state houses and senates.
Trump was just the meglomaniac figurehead to finish it off.
The people of this country really have not gotten what they have done.
CrispyQ
(36,413 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...that would be the scariest scenario of all. They elected a fascist with their eyes wide open, and just don't care.
BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)does would be a COMPLETE disqualification for anybody else. I cannot believe-- even at this late stage--that THIS is what we have coming into the Oval Office. I am terrified and ashamed--not sure which one wins out here.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)I believe that fully - there is every reason to be terrified about a Trump presidency.
Yeah, I make jokes and I mock the fucker, but we're into some seriously scary shit with Trump.
WomanWhoRoars
(175 posts)I, for one, hope that Trump continues to tweet and tweet a lot - it only serves to hurt him. I've read that the biggest insult you can give him is to suggest he's not as rich as he is or as smart of a businessman as he claims. His ego HAS to be stroked.
I also think Melania would have divorced him in 6 months had he not won. Now, she's stuck with Orange Julius.
Maynar
(769 posts)That works on more than one level.
Welcome, WomanWhoRoars!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)And why don't Obama and other Dems says something??
Kablooie
(18,605 posts)Policy changes are disturbing but they can still be adjusted in the future, (global warming being an exception, of course.)
But the biggest issue is his character and how he will react to a major crisis.
He is not someone who understands the seriousness of his position and never he seems to consider the consequences of his actions.
This man will have complete control of the US nuclear armaments and will be free to use them at his will.
There are no checks and balances for presidential use of nuclear weapons. He can order an attack on anywhere at his own discretion.
The only thing that can stop him is if someone in the chain of command below defies orders and doesn't carry through their part of the plan.
His seat of the pants, knee jerk, reactive actions have the potential to change the future of all humanity on earth.
It was assumed that the president of the United States would always take his responsibilities seriously and a madman would never be elected, but those assumptions seem to be wrong.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)We knew he's an undisciplined candidate who loved the attention he gets from his tweets. We already knew that he has an ego large enough to concoct mathematical fiction. It's no coincidence that his claim taps into the reasoning some give for photo ID for voting laws- undocumented immigrants voting.
And going after flag burning is nothing new when a politician of any party wants to tap into nationalistic ferver. Since he's been doing that for months it is exactly in keeping with the guy who presented himself as a candidate.
He's right in his head enough to gather followers, win an election, and scare us. He probably reads DU and RW sites and laughs at us all because he's not and never has shown himself to actually be interested in what happens after campaigning and winning.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)a twitter storm unleashed by Herr Trump.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)lose their jobs and be deported
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)or dignity, they would stop this catastrophe that's about to descend on this country.
Of course we know they don't have an trace of either.
ramapo
(4,587 posts)Changes occur quickly, sometimes without much warning.
Look back...
2016 Clinton won but lost
2008 Obama had it all, two years later he was on the way down
2004 Bush had the permanent Republican majority
1972 Nixon reelected in historic landslide, nuff said
1964 LBJ wipes the country with Goldwater, four years he was gone
1928 Herbert Hoover wins big, total Republican control, four years later came Roosevelt
Many somewhat less dramatic but very significant turn arounds have taken place.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)That Obama is the antichrist and will usurp the Constitution and declare himself perpetual ruler before he is set to leave office.
That would be so much better.
Maynar
(769 posts)Thanks, I needed that.
Qanisqineq
(4,826 posts)I live 30 miles to the north of the protester/protecter camp, also in Morton County (the county with the crazy sheriff). I am terrified of what the police and National Guard and Gov. Dalpimple will do. Too much media blackout. I think they see so many oil dollar signs and they will just mow the "savages" down. I can't even bare to hear about it lately.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Get the passport CARD, too--handy for overland egress.
mnhtnbb
(31,371 posts)Mine is currently being renewed and should be returned before the first of January. It was due to expire Nov 2017. No way I'd wait to let
a Trump regime handle the renewal.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I've lived in "PAPERS....let me see your PAPERS!!!!" countries. Ya gotta keep yer stuff up-to-date and be ready to roll at a moment's notice....
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...while at the office, we were confronted with the question of whether to accept the standard processing time (4-6 weeks), or pay $100+ extra for "expedited processing" of 2-3 weeks. I went over it in my calendar to make sure that 6 weeks would still get them safely in-hand before the inauguration, but then my wife pointed out that many federal offices slow down due to vacations being taken during the holidays. In the end, we paid the extra cash.
mnhtnbb
(31,371 posts)Six weeks for me is up before the first of January, so I'm hoping to be ok.
mnhtnbb
(31,371 posts)Paid for standard processing (advertised as 4-6 weeks). They received the application on 11/17, issued 11/30, and I had it in hand 12/3! Whew!
Don't like being without it.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)You can get to Canada or Mexico (whichever is closest) with them, but nowhere else. And neither is a place where you can just cross the border and settle there. Canada has pretty stringent immigration requirements, where you pretty much need to be young and have seriously in-demand skills to settle there. Mexico is a bit less tough, but still requires you apply for permanent residency before entering their country, not once you're already there.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Are you telling me that if Trump started imprisoning Muslims or gays that Canada wouldn't take them in?
Please. Canada still gives a shit about people at risk.
Hamlette
(15,408 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)and I don't just mean us democrats - I mean the WHOLE GOD DAMN COUNTRY and maybe more.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)We know he is a scary, thin skinned narcissist and probable sex offender who listens to whatever the voices in his head tell him at a given moment.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,145 posts)When people got all excited that Trump was going to be the GOP nominee, I didn't. Because I knew anything that got him one step closer to the White House was putting us in grave danger.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)We survived Vietnam but only because we were united and not weak.
That is the way to fight.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)There is no rationality in terror. It is terrifying.
I can understand where the feelings come from. Does fate have to deal us such a cruel hand?
Can we not whisper through the window of time?
We must.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Ostrich syndrome.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,082 posts)The most detested man and Congress got elected. And our useless media wanted this.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)The Solace in the Storm To Come is our local Democratic Convention Meeting on Monday night had robust attendance with over 100 people in the room. This was refreshing and it appears the troops are gearing up for the fight ahead.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)in the most difficult times in AMERICAN HISTORY. Buckle up, its gonna be a bumpy ride.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Income, seniors on SS/medicare, the disabled etc. The top tier will get all the tax breaks and they will wipe out Obama Care. We have to ask our Dem Congressmen/women to start carrying a baseball bat (metaphorically speaking) with them and start swinging. If I become afraid because of my LGBT status, I will either buy a gun, or move to another country.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Many Mainland Chinese at one time, could not leave their country despite their hardships. If our government says no to travel outside the US than we all will be stuck here. The Canadian border may be closed as well.
It maybe that the Democratic Party might be in grave trouble if its declared an illegal entity. Imagine having the choice of being a Republican, or nothing at all, and losing what ever voting rights we all enjoyed.
Worst yet, imagine a controlled Internet, like in China, where certain websites are not reachable, and places like Democratic Underground no longer have permission to exist. It all could happen.
DFW
(54,268 posts)And we are Piggy, unless we start now preparing not to be pushed off a cliff.
Freethinker65
(9,998 posts)Do not know if I will use it, but I will feel better having it. I even spent some time looking for information on Canadian ancestors several generation back. Told my freethinking college freshman son to get his education and spend a semester studying abroad. I told him if he eventually moves out of the country, I may follow him.
I was numb after Bush/Gore, but this is different.