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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 12:43 PM Oct 2016

Ideology in the 21st Century: "Politically Correct" vs. "You're Not the Boss of Me"

In the 20th century, back when I grew up, the ideological spectrum that conceptualized social, economic, and political divisions was based on the old Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative, Progressive/Reactionary divide. The philosophical underpinnings went back two (or three, depending on who was reckoning it and what they included) centuries to the early Enlightenment ideas of Western Europe, refined in the American and French Revolutions, and pushed further in the crucible of capitalism in the Industrial Revolution.

The questions were profound and complex, the dialog and dialectics full of clamorous assumptions and disagreements. The experiment was long and bloody.

But on some level, it generally stayed focused on the notion of "How do we make it possible for an expanding human population to successfully organize itself, govern, divvy up resources, engage with one another, establish a set of shared understandings about interaction... even in the face of profound disagreements and competing interests?" It was never tidy, rarely consistent, and the further along the spectrum (to either end) a leader was, generally the more fervent and less flexible they were (there were always exceptions) but the more powerful and compelling their rhetorical appeal was, to followers.

It was group-based, movement-oriented. It was tribalism in the "us" versus "them" mode, written into the town squares, streets, border clashes, and jungle villages with bloody fury. The ripples pushed their way out to less literal, less wholesale slaughter in the forms of proxy wars, Cold Wars, and hardening internal partisan conflicts.

In the twenty-first century, as with everything else, the ideological spectrum has become "meme-ified," reduced to the crudely simplistic essence of tribalist appeal. It has become an intensely personal form of ideological identification, in which the individual, rather than searching for a group whose ideology provokes adherence and belief, merely searches for like-minded fellow-travelers whose beliefs reinforce their confirmation bias.

At one end, we have those who believe that the survival of the human race itself demands a set of more or less prescriptive rules that will apply to everyone, dictating how we treat one another in all kinds of public and private transactions, how economic activity may be undertaken with the least harm to the planet and the most broadly-shared benefits, how the individual may contribute to, and share in, the common good through compliance with the rules and investment in collective well-being.

At the other end, we have those who believe that individual creativity, endeavor, and economic interest are the only potent engines of human survival and evolution, and that any attempts to control them for the chimera of 'the commons' are a threat to that survival and evolution, enabling irrational, inferior, unfit individuals to use the leverage of collective power to overwhelm the steady march of superior moral and creative individual endeavor, to the detriment of all concerned.

At the Politically Correct end of the spectrum, we suspect that the You're Not the Boss of Me ideologues are less interested in the steady march of human endeavor than they are in their own unhindered ability to get their own way and/or exploit the weak, or at least be able to indulge whatever personal pleasures they choose without social or economic consequences.

At the You're Not the Boss of Me end of the spectrum, they're pretty sure that our Politically Correct rhetoric is merely a high-sounding cloak for our authoritarian absolutist dreams, subjecting all individual freedoms and creativity to the soul-destroying conformity of faceless and totalitarian state control intruding in every aspect of personal life and personal choices.

And the level of discourse continues to degenerate...

wearily,
Bright

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Ideology in the 21st Century: "Politically Correct" vs. "You're Not the Boss of Me" (Original Post) TygrBright Oct 2016 OP
I've been meaning to say this Bucky Oct 2016 #1
Thank you for the kind words. They come very timely today. n/t TygrBright Oct 2016 #2
Basically the same as it's always been The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #3
You bring up some interesting points about how technology enables our person echo chambers. TygrBright Oct 2016 #4

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
3. Basically the same as it's always been
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 01:11 PM
Oct 2016

Just named something different. The individual vs. the collective. People will hop from one to the other depending on their own personal wants, desires, and needs in a given context.

The Right wants government to get out of people's lives, unless it's to stop gay people getting married(or whatever the case may be). The Left wants all people to be able to follow their dreams and live their own lives independent of anyone else, unless people want to make a huge profit(or whatever the case may be). Simplified examples, but I'm saying people are usually complex and inconsistent.

Inconsistent might be a bad word. Maybe just situational. We love sacrificing for the good of the group! Don't touch my individual liberties though! Those are conflicting ideas, and everyone on any side will be in both camps at some point.

It has become an intensely personal form of ideological identification, in which the individual, rather than searching for a group whose ideology provokes adherence and belief, merely searches for like-minded fellow-travelers whose beliefs reinforce their confirmation bias.


We live in abstract tribes now. Before, we'd have to exist with whoever was around, no matter how they thought, and try to make it work. Today, with various technologies, the internet included, we have to deal with people we disagree with less and less in a make it through the day sort of way, and everything comes down to mass elections every few years. We get through that, and then go right back to trying our best not to have to deal with people we disagree with, because everyone is annoying to someone, and life is too short.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
4. You bring up some interesting points about how technology enables our person echo chambers.
Wed Oct 26, 2016, 03:11 PM
Oct 2016

And you are correct, there are very few 'purists' at either end of the current iteration of the spectrum.

Plenty of You're Not the Boss of Me types will claim that they're fine with, yanno, gay people off doing their thing... SOMEWHERE ELSE and they better not imply anything or (godz forbid, as if it would even be a possibility) proposition them or something. And even okay with wimminz being able to terminate pregnancies as long as the gubmint doesn't in any way facilitate or enable that, yanno.

And I have myself been guilty of what I see as the inherent flaw in Politically Correct thinking, which is the assumption that my own evidence-based, science-bolstered conclusions about What Everyone Should Do are the *correct* conclusions and if everyone just went along with them we'd all be fine- and the corollary assumption that anyone who disagrees is either stupid or malicious.

The longer I live, the more convinced I do become, though, that a number of small steps in the desired direction of change is better than one big dramatic transformation. Harder to undo, more likely to last. But the trade-off of enduring the conditions needing change longer, and the damage that does, is a very painful one for those affected.

Unambiguously "correct" solutions are few and far between.

wryly,
Bright

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