One astonishing picture of Hillary Clinton shows who and what we've become

[NWCorona]

"Increasingly we prefer to be seen with each other, instead of looking at each other.

We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

http://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/one-astonishing-picture-of-hillary-clinton-shows-how-selfie-centered-weve-become/

Selfie life is something else.

[Warpy]

1. Too young and pig ignorant to know that turning their backs like that

is just incredibly rude.

I can't wrap my head around the kind of egotism that requires a selfie under those circumstances.

[NWCorona]

3. There's a lot of social norms that have gone out the window because of phones unfortunately

I also see phones being used to avoid eye contact and IMHO that will lead to problems in the future.

[pangaia]

76. Phones don't cause avoiding eye contact. People do.

[NWCorona]

80. Agreed but it is a facilitator.

[Warren DeMontague]

93. Dollars to donuts, you know what probably 'facilitated' the events in the photo here?

Hillary or one of her surrogates going "why dont we all take a selfie with the candidate!"

[NWCorona]

94. That's a strong probability.

[jberryhill]

105. That's pretty much what Hillary said

This place gets dumber by the day:

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/

And in a video filmed by none other than a heckling Trump supporter, you’ll see that after Clinton walks into the room, she says: “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

People here are too god-damned stupid to check anything these days.

[Warren DeMontague]

121. like I said, it scratches a particularly predictable itch, around here

anything about technology, the 'culture in crisis' and "these damn kids today" will be guaranteed to get similar results.

[REP]

135. Yes, but it makes me feel so young!

Every one of these threads reminds me of grandpa and a blinking 12:00 on a VCR.

My favorite Old + Tech was my mother asking how people got along before Google. Mom was born in 1934.

Of course, I read this post and replied to it on my phone, not making eye contact with anyone.

[REP]

133. Upvote

[MADem]

122. I think you are correct--it's faster than going individually from one to the other.

The fact that she's up on the box makes it easier, too.

I'm guessing this ain't the first time they've done this.

She is incredibly gracious after events, but she is coming off pneumonia and her staff is probably trying to streamline the process.

[Warren DeMontague]

125. she was spot-on tonight, I thought.

I was glad to see it looks like she's feeling a lot better.

[MADem]

129. She looked like a leader. He didn't. She OWNED him. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

130. Agree. Of course like I told my mom on the phone tonight afterwards, I doubt my own objectivity

so I'm glad to see the general reaction -media, twitter, etc- seems to mirror my own.

[REP]

134. Upvote

[enough]

23. But for Hillary, a good sign. They want pictures of themselves with her. (nt)

[Warren DeMontague]

27. At least they're at a Hillary rally.

Maybe wait until after the election to yell at them to get off the lawn and howl about how much better things were in olden times.

[TheDebbieDee]

32. Yes, wait until AFTER te election to school these young people

in social etiquette....

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Call me crazy, but I suspect this wasn't a case of a roomful of people deciding simultaneously to

take selfies all by themselves at the exact same time.

In fact, I suspect the odds are staggeringly small that that was the case.

So maybe put the outrage - or "schooling" - on the back burner. Hillary doesn't look particularly peeved. It's possible this was a deliberate photo op scenario.

also, most of those "young people" look to be in their 30s, or older.

[SusanCalvin]

36. Of course it wasn't.

Anybody want to bet me that wasn't by invitation? I could use the dough.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. but it scratches a particular itch some people have here, around how society is careening to hell in

an iphone-enabled basket.

I wonder what would happen if I pointed out that the men in the crowd seem to be paying attention to Hillary and facing forward, and it seems to be entirely women taking the selfies?

Hmmm, probably better not to test those waters.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

64. Absolutely!

Making up a scenario *you* imagined to fit a picture is an easy trap to fall into.

I'm sure Hilary yelled, HEY Group Selfie on the count of three!!!

[jberryhill]

106. She said “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/

And in a video filmed by none other than a heckling Trump supporter, you’ll see that after Clinton walks into the room, she says: “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

[otohara]

60. Whoa - Rude Is Calling These Young Women

Pig ignorant

[BlancheSplanchnik]

118. Always easy to do.

People of all cultures are very comfortable calling girls and women ugly names.

Thanks for speaking up.
I guess things have improved around here, because it used to be different. Speak up about this and the dickweeds showed up in droves.

[Turin_C3PO]

66. Exactly!

Why, when I was a kid we had to walk home in the snow, 10 miles, uphill both ways!

[tblue37]

83. To use a rotary dial landline phone! They took crappy pictures, too! nt

[tazkcmo]

90. In 300

degree heat!!!

[snooper2]

82. Logged in on shitty phone to reply

Lol

[Warpy]

89. At least it wasn't a selfie

using a presidential candidate as a prop in the background.

Don't turn your back on Trump. He'll lift your wallet.

[LanternWaste]

98. I can't imagine the conceit to that compels one to believe they have all relevant knowledge

"I can't wrap my head around the kind of egotism that requires a selfie under those circumstances..."

As I can't imagine the conceit to that compels one to believe they have all relevant knowledge to judge a hundred other youths simply taking a picture.

No doubt, it's ethically convenient to hold oneself to a lower standard than we hold others to, but it's an obvious character flaw.

[jberryhill]

107. Indeed, Clinton specifically said “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/

And in a video filmed by none other than a heckling Trump supporter, you’ll see that after Clinton walks into the room, she says: “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

[Iggo]

115. See? There ya go.

Makes way more sense than the various explanations suggesting the DOWNFALL OF CIVILIZATION!!!!

(I thought "pig ignorant" was especially colorful, if not helpful in the least.)

[bigwillq]

99. It seems like all involved are having fun

Hillary's smile is great.

[jberryhill]

102. She asked them to

Are they "too young" to understand Hillary saying "If you want a selfie, take one now."

Or are you "too old" to get the full story before going off on a bunch of people?

Which is it?

[canetoad]

2. Kind of sad

This need to validate every experience with a photo. Maybe memories will become redundant.

[madaboutharry]

4. This is what I was thinking.

The loss of living in the moment and having an experience. It is sad.

[canetoad]

5. Hey

Long time no see

I say this a someone who almost always carries a waterproof digital camera, but I use it to record strange and unusual things washed up on the beach. Who's going to bring home a rotting octopus??

[Liberal_in_LA]

6. Wow

[Rex]

7. The future, drink it in.

[KT2000]

8. concerts are not about

the opportunity to see and hear a live performance but the opportunity to film the concert for later posting on Facebook and YouTube. Disengagement.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Maybe you're just going to the wrong concerts.

[Turin_C3PO]

65. Hmm

I go to concerts all the time and that's not the case at all.

[StrictlyRockers]

9. Video or it didn't happen.

It's not real until you post it to Facebook.

[trof]

10. Ho Lee Shit

"Increasingly we prefer to be seen with each other, instead of looking at each other."

"We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

This is so sad.

[Doodley]

11. These people want to celebrate being part of history. Embrace it.

[MADem]

123. I was there to watch the glass ceiling fall! See?

Eh, it is what it is--there's no going back.

Punctuation and cursive writing are going out of style, too.

[Solly Mack]

12. Life with props.

[Brickbat]

13. Dozens of free ads that hundreds, if not thousands, of people will see. Looks like HRC knows how

to manage it, her feelings aren't hurt, and everyone else is thrilled to make it happen.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. yes, but the good old days were better!

for one thing, I didn't have to get up 12 times a night to urinate. Damn you, Steve Jobs!

[tblue37]

84. Just 12 times? You are soooo lucky! (Tiny tanks and old women go together.) nt

[awoke_in_2003]

87. I hate

the iPee.

[Warren DeMontague]

92. When i finally broke down and got a smartphone

This was one if the first apps i got for it:

http://www.ipeeaddress.com

[Demit]

14. I don't know. They're all proud to be there. What's the problem?

I'm an old, and it doesn't bother me.

[oberliner]

15. Context?

Where? When? Did she say, let's all take a selfie?

[jberryhill]

104. Yes, she did. OP and commenters here are too stupid to get the whole story

This was done at her request.

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/


And in a video filmed by none other than a heckling Trump supporter, you’ll see that after Clinton walks into the room, she says: “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

[oberliner]

113. That's what I figured

Thanks!

[MrScorpio]

16. I think that we should called this latest batch "The Selfie Generation"

This it its banner, right here.

[DavidDvorkin]

17. Oh, come on

They all want a picture of themselves with Hillary. In the past, that was difficult to do. Now, it's easy. They're getting pictures they'll treasure.

[Lee-Lee]

18. It's a generation disconnect- to that generation this is a huge complement

To the smartphone/social media generation there is no greater compliment than "I want a selfie with you".

It looks sad to us, but when you look at it through that generations eyes it's anything but.

[tblue37]

85. Almost all of my students wanted selfies with me at the end of last semester--and then one of them

brought me a mug with one of the group selfies on it--her, 5 other students from the class standing behind me, and me sitting at my desk.

I thought it was sweet as heck.

[LisaL]

19. Looks like they wanted selfies with Hillary in it.

I don't see a problem.

[NWCorona]

22. I got one during the primaries

[Warren DeMontague]

30. I wonder if it would be better if they were kicking the crap out of a protester at a Trump rally

I'm just not feeling the "culture is being destroyed by cell phones and selfies" panic, here.

[toddwv]

20. A pic of yourself with America's first female president

would be a hell of something to show the grandkids.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. you are bringing logic into a good old fashioned DU generational grump-fest

just let it pass. It's better after 5:00, when everyone here has eaten dinner.

[JanMichael]

43. Um how do you expect 100 or more selfie people to preserve a photo for 40 years?

Their "cloud" will eventually rain away the image. Maybe if they tattoo it to their backside it will last. Or maybe if they print on archival paper and store the photo memory (which by facing away they only saw a digital image) in a safe an climate controlled environment it will survive...sure. It is for the grand-kids, I doubt it.

.

[Turin_C3PO]

63. Kids these days.

They need to get off my damn lawn!

[SusanCalvin]

67. You're kidding, right?

I'm not a big techie, but, yes, I would be sure and keep that pic. I have and will preserve all my Bernie pics, I assure you. And I'm 64.

[JanMichael]

69. How? Technically how? Just a question. nt (and get off my lawn punk - you have 16 yrs on me)

[SusanCalvin]

71. Saved in about 10 places and printed from Walgreens. nt

[Wednesdays]

72. The silver nitrate in the pixels wear out rapidly.

[Glassunion]

116. Don't forget that they can accelerate a fire too.

I delete my digital photos when I get too many of them stored up in a gallery. Look what happened to the Galaxy Note 7's. It's all the damn nitrate in the sample photos. Battery gets a small short, and once it gets to the photo gallery... Big fire.

[toddwv]

112. Post it on FB

Burn it to CD.
Print it out at your local department store...

[Egnever]

124. Just curious what you mean by rain away the image?

I don't understand what you mean?

[JanMichael]

131. "Cloud" "rain"? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

127. Eventually the sun will explode, protons will decay, the entire fabric of space-time will rend

itself apart.

Verily, there is no point to doing anything.

Except, of course, complaining about things like "our selfie culture". That's always productive.

Like the song says, "it's doom, alone, that counts"

[Nevernose]

75. I've got pictures w/ Carter, both Clintons, Obama, Harry Reid

Howard Dean, and others.

I got them by working very hard on many, many Democratic campaigns, and when the opportunity presented itself I asked nicely. And I actually have pictures with these people, as opposed to me taking a selfie near them.

Although I suppose they'd come to my house and pose for a picture in my bathroom if the donation was big enough...

[tblue37]

86. I have pics of my granddaughter with both Michelle and Obama. It was from this summer, and

she was 16-months old. You know how the Obamas love babies.

Both her parents work for the State Department, and the Obamas stopped by the embassy in Madrid on the way to another country.

[flygal]

132. Very cool!

I missed Obama in Hannover by a month.

BTW, just imagining going to the consulate for passport renewal and seeing trump's photo instead just

[Egnever]

21. We have become a bunch of women taking selfies?

[Brickbat]

24. BRING THE DAY.

[Calista241]

25. Lol. That photo is amazing. Times have changed haven't they?

[MineralMan]

26. That's so funny!

[Warren DeMontague]

29. OH MY GOD THIS IS AWFUL WONT SOMEONE DO SOMETHING THINK OF THE CHILDREN

HOLY FUCK CALL CONGRESS RIGHHTHT FUCKCKING NOW111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mountain grammy]

34. Ha, that's really funny..

and I don't care, as long as they all vote for Hillary. The only thing that matters.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. No, we need to lecture them.

Because, reasons, or something.

[DRoseDARs]

37. The pig-ignorance is strong here... and it's not coming from the selfies-takers. nt

[GreenEyedLefty]

38. She probably told them to turn around and get a selfie, then share it far and wide.

She's very social media savvy.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. NO THEY DID IT BECAUSE KIDS TODAY DONT RESPECT THEIR ELDERS

AND THEY WONT GET OFF MY LAWN, EITHER

[La Lioness Priyanka]

78. lol exactly

[SusanCalvin]

51. Stop making sense!

[jberryhill]

108. Yes, that's exactly what happened

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/

“Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

[shadowmayor]

40. Young whipper snappers

Obviously Hillary is delighted to be a part of this selfie "group" shot. It's not kids disconnecting - it's people feeling more connected. I detect a serious old-timer's syndrome here in some of the comments. It's a much quicker and more effective way for people to get a shot of their President-to-be. I think this is a wonderful thing, and I ain't a young pup anymore. I applaud the enthusiasm here.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. No shit. Welcome to DU.

[YOHABLO]

44. ''It's all about me'' generation. We're doomed

[Warren DeMontague]

47. what generation is that? I see a lot of women who look to be in their 30s or 40s.

[bravenak]

95. I am so glad you were in this thread to prevent me having to participate.

We do group selfies all the time.

[Warren DeMontague]

96. Heh heh. No prob; That's what I'm here for.

but seriously, I mean, a bunch of people glad to be at a rally for our candidate- really, don't we all have better things to worry about?

[yurbud]

45. that took me a minute to get

[TeamPooka]

46. She looks pretty popular with millennials there. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

49. It's vitally important that everyone here lose their shit over this picture.

It's another example of why our grandson never calls and he's dating that awful girl with the tattoo and the metal thing in her nose.

[Oneironaut]

48. It's the age of narcissism.

Respect? What's that? I need to get a Facebook photo of myself NOW and share it to the 2000 people on my friends list, 95% of whom I've only met once or spam-friended. Everybody must know what a big shot *I* am! MEEEEEE!!!

[Turin_C3PO]

62. Get off my lawn!

Damn kids these days.

[yuiyoshida]

50. K&R

Tweeted.

[redstatebluegirl]

52. We really have to accept the changes in our culture.

Is it hard to watch this, yes, but I think it is refreshing that young people are at a rally for Hillary. They like her enough to want to get a selfie that shows where they are. That is how this generation communicates.

Cut them some slack, there are things that annoy me too but I'm trying my best to remember what it was like to leave the house in a skirt at the knees and then roll it up on the school bus to be a mini. Remember "don't trust anyone over 30"?

[Warren DeMontague]

56. are we all even looking at the same picture?

I see more minivan moms, there, than "young people".

[redstatebluegirl]

57. The ones in the front look like the college students I work with.

I'm not good with age, and some of them could be moms but I think many of them are in their 20's.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. I'm not good with age, either--but college students look like children, to me, at this point.

I don't want to dissect the picture too much but I see two women in the first row there that look like they're at least in their 30s if not 40s.

[NBachers]

53. Let me lay it out for you grumpsters: A picture of me + Hillary together = Stronger Together.

See, that wasn't so hard to comprehend, was it?

NBachers is 67 years old, and he approves of this message. Plus, he's glad to see the Secret Service is vigilant and on task.

[MirrorAshes]

54. RELAX. These people wanted a pic with HRC, that's all.

It was clearly a scripted moment that went exactly as intended, and was probably pretty special for everyone involved. It's funny from this perspective, but that's all it is. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. Given that they are all doing it at the same time

I bet the campaign coordinated this moment.

I don't see anything wrong about it, I'm sure old people were shocked when the first young person asked for an autograph too.

[DawgHouse]

68. Exactly.

[jberryhill]

109. Hillary said “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

And those rotten kids did just as she suggested.

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/

[La Lioness Priyanka]

117. exactly as i thought

[Warren DeMontague]

58. I'm reccing this thread

because it says way more about DU than it does about the people in the picture.

[tandem5]

70. wow

[stevenleser]

73. Fascinating how wrongheaded this article and various assumptions about this picture are.

This was clearly something that was done intentionally by Hillary and perhaps her campaign to offer folks a chance to do exactly this, which is shoot a selfie with her.

This says nothing about culture or whether we have become self-centered.

[Wednesdays]

74. It's obviously a group selfie moment that was pre-planned

And almost certainly initiated by Hillary herself. Just judging by Hillary's expression plus the fact that most of the audience were doing this at the exact same time.

It would have been embarrassing (and possibly rude) if after Hillary said, "Okay, everybody can take a selfie with me now" everybody did NOT turn around, and just stood there with dumb faces.

[matt819]

77. Give it a rest

That photo is hilarious. The enthusiasm is obvious, and Hillary seems to be having a blast.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

79. Agreed

[kurt_cagle]

81. Having a Millennial daughter

This is cool. So many Democrats complain about how campaigns aren't reaching out to Millennials, but this is a VERY millennial bit of expression. Remember, Chelsea is not all that much older. Hillary understands, but perhaps we all need to be a little better at understanding context.

[cyberswede]

88. I'd love to see all these selfies somewhere.

Totally fun!

[Brother Buzz]

91. And people say she doesn't connect with the tech savvy millennial crowd!

I love it!

[Iggo]

97. I don't see the problem.

[jberryhill]

110. I see a problem

The problem I see is DUer's jumping to conclusions which satisfy their prejudices, without knowing the facts.

That's a problem.

In the picture, on the other hand, they are doing just as Hillary suggested:

http://qz.com/791437/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-in-florida-and-the-story-behind-the-viral-millenial-selfie-photo/

Clinton walks into the room, she says: “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

[BlueMTexpat]

100. It doesn't seem to be bothering

Hillary herself, who seems to be having fun. So while it may perhaps symbolize something negative about contemporary life, I don't have a problem with it so long as Hillary doesn't.

[jberryhill]

101. She said that if anyone wants a selfie to take one now

It's unbelievable that people don't understand that Hillary SUGGESTED THEY DO THAT.

[still_one]

128. It is more than that also. This is history, and showing that they were there at the same

time with the first woman president is pretty cool

This is something you would show your grandchildren

[Stand and Fight]

103. What this picture shows is enthusiasm. Good grief.

For the people in here lamenting the "good old days," get with the times. Her campaign clearly arranged this and Hillary endorsed it -- that's the reason she's waving. Just look on social media, people LOVE getting selfies with people they admire, respect, or support. Rather than looking at the glass as half empty, how about the fact that it's overflowing with love and enthusiasm?

[blogslut]

111. Ms. Clinton requested a group selfie. This post is silly.

http://mashable.com/2016/09/26/hillary-clinton-campaign-selfies/#qRloKp23waqY

The iconic photograph, captured by Barbara Kinney — a former White House photographer for Bill Clinton who is currently working full time for the Hillary Clinton campaign — perfectly highlights the essence of this generation's technological priorities in 2016.

Kinney told Mashable that the massive group selfie session was in fact requested by Clinton herself. The candidate is no stranger to the art of selfie taking, and stopped by the overflow room at her campaign rally in Orlando to ensure supporters got a chance to see her in person.

<snip>

The photographer explained that after her speeches, Clinton sometimes goes to the overflow room to briefly say hello to an excited crowd.

Kinney said Clinton stood up on the podium and said, "Okay everybody, turn around and we’ll do a group selfie," before making the staffers standing next to her move out of the way so each side of the room could take an aesthetically pleasing photo...

[progressoid]

114. Clinton, “Anyone who wants a selfie turn around right now.”

This was a great move on her part. The indignation of the internet notwithstanding.

[lunatica]

119. Wow! I had no idea!

I don't own a cellphone.

I'm really missing out on the new America.

[Iggo]

120. You used to have to find a willing random stranger to take a pic of you with your own camera.

Ah, the good old days!

[still_one]

126. Not necessarily. This is history, and they want to record that they were in the same room with

the first woman president