Who the heck does the San Francisco police think they are to demand an apology

[onecaliberal]

From an American citizen for expressing himself in public. I am sickened by the attacks on Kaepernick. Many policeman in this country are out of control and they are NO exception.

[winetourdriver]

1. SFPD

As a years long resident of SF, I can tell you SFPD went off the rails many years ago.. Crooked, Crazy, and a select few of course are both.

[MadDAsHell]

2. I've noticed this is a thing now, "demanding" apologies?

Even see people demanding apologies from celebrities/politicians they've never met. Grow a frickin spine people!

Honestly, who has the right to "demand" anything from anyone?

If any stranger ever "demanded" an apology from me simply for words I said, I'd tell them to shove that "demand" up their ass.

[JI7]

3. it's part of the fucked up culture of police depts across the country

[clarice]

21. ALL police depts? ALL across the Country? nt

[A HERETIC I AM]

37. Yes.

[clarice]

46. Sad. nt

[TeamPooka]

93. Yes, the culture of police depts in the USA is sad. Very sad since they don't have a culture of

honest policing.
The Blue Wall that protects police in incidents where a normal citizen would be immediately arrested and charged with a crime is appalling.
Police corruption and racism permeates almost all aspects of law enforcement in the USA because even where it isn't pervasive they protect fellow officers out of habit and misguided loyalty.

[edhopper]

4. I dont see the Police apologizing

for shooting innocent black people.

[onecaliberal]

5. BOOOOOOOOOOOM!

That comment right the fuck there...

[Glassunion]

6. They just recently killed a homeless, and unarmed black woman.

Just sayin', business as usual.

[clarice]

20. And this relates to the OP how? nt

[JanMichael]

22. Where is that "point missed" image? nt

[clarice]

24. Damn it... I knew I forgot something... is this the right one?

[JanMichael]

26. No. nt

[clarice]

28. Which one is it? nt

[Glassunion]

66. Simple.

SFPD is demanding an apology (whole point of the OP) from a person for "attacking" the police by simply commenting on how they can effectively beat or kill a person of color, and there is little to no accountability.

The same people demanding an apology for his comments, recently did kill someone, which was the whole point of why he made the comments in the first place.

[clarice]

67. Thank you. nt

[HughBeaumont]

85. Our Police union rep doubled and tripled down when it came to the Tamir Rice shooting.

Not only did he NOT apologize for the hiring of that incompetent bastard Timothy Loehmann (who is still walking free), but continued even as late as 2 MONTHS ago (the shooting happened in 2014) to not only blame a 12 year old for getting gunned down in .79 seconds, but lay the blame at the feet of his parents as well.

It's probably far easier to do this and parrot half of Cleveland's white suburbanite experts than it is to admit even ONE cop is bad.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. What Does The Star Spangled Banner Have To Do With Being A Cop?

It's obviously the SFPD who is picking a fight here.

[Glassunion]

8. It because of his reasoning as to why he is sitting out the anthem.

Because talking out at all about the police = all cops are evil bad poopy heads.

They get butthurt and demand apologies.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. I Read His Quotes

I don't remember him actually mentioning the police. Did i miss one? He said something about people not being held accountable.

If they took that personally, maybe it's a case of "if the shoe fits".

[Glassunion]

12. Their skin is thinner than Trump's.

I have no clue what has happened in the past decade or so, but it seems that some people are becoming such wimps lately.

I do have a respect for the police, however they should be accountable. I could not do their job. But when did the police go from guardians of the people to sniveling wimps who stomp their feet every time someone says something critical of them.

If you read the letter they sent, it is full of condensation, and quite a bit of hyperbole. They equated his comments as an attack on police officers in this country, and then deflected with the ever-so-ready white-splaining of why doesn't he comment on the black on black crime bullshit.

They could have responded with class. If you read the letter here, and omit a few of the paragraphs (2, 3, 5, and 6) their response may be better received.

[clarice]

19. "White-splaining'" ? What exactly IS that? nt

[clarice]

25. waiting.nt

[clarice]

29. still waiting. nt

[Demit]

30. Why don't you look it up?

[clarice]

47. Look what up? nt

[Glassunion]

69. White-splaining. nt

[clarice]

72. Sorry... sounds a bit racist to me. nt

[Glassunion]

74. White-splaining something is racist.

Folks shouldn't do it, however the SFPD did.

[clarice]

75. I meant that the term "white-splainin" is a racist epithet in itself...

It's stereotyping a race and how they express themselves.

[Glassunion]

80. No it isn't a racist term.

No more than man-splaining is sexist.

It has zero to do with any stereotype, as a stereotype is an oversimplified perception of a group, and has nothing to do with the "-splaining" suffix which is an actual description of a particular action by an individual.

It is a way of describing a particular action, by a particular group, effected to a different group. Yes the "-splaining" suffix does have negative connotations, however the terms themselves are neither sexist, racist, etc... However the actual act of white-splaining, man-splaining, etc. can be (not always), racist or sexist, which is why there is a negative connotation when explaining the action.

[tblue37]

90. No, that is NOT what it measns. It refers to the way some white people

dismiss concerns expressed by POC by "explaining" to POC how they should feel about evidence of institutionalized racism and what they should or should not do about it. (Usually, whitesplaining includes denial of the racist reality the POC has just experienced.)

[virgogal]

56. I don't understand what you

mean about the letter being full of condensation.

It makes no sense.

[Glassunion]

68. OMG... LOL!

That's my best typo in a while.

Here in the NY area, it has been quite hot, humid, and the dew point way up there. So the letter, after being outside in the hot and muggy weather, upon delivery into the cool, nicely air conditioned weather, had formed a bit of dew on it.

[virgogal]

83. I love a sense of humor--and you've got one.

[tblue37]

91. I doubt that was a typo. More likely it was the effect of a hyperactive autocorrect function. nt

[Glassunion]

94. Sadly I have autocorrct turned off in this browser.

It was changing perfectly good words to something else. It would "correct" stand alone comments to changing their meaning completely. That, and I sometimes post batch scripts into another computer help forum, and it freaks the f**k out trying to correct simple command line scripts.

[mythology]

23. He did specifically mention police violence

Q: What would you like to see changed?

-KAEPERNICK: There’s a lot of things that need to change. One specifically is police brutality, there’s people being murdered unjustly and not being held accountable.

The cops are getting paid leave for killing people. That’s not right. That’s not right by anyone’s standards.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2016/08/28/colin-kaepernick-anthem-protest-much-much/

That said, the cops can take a long walk off Fisherman's Wharf. Quit whining, quit complaining about the threat of violence against police when that violence has objectively gone down and using that perceived threat as a reason to be trigger happy. Quit having cops destroy evidence, quit having cops cover for each other. Then they'd have a leg to stand on. As it is, the more these idiots talk around the country, the worse they look.

[ProfessorGAC]

62. You're Right I Missed That Piece

Thanks

[KG]

9. next time a POC decide to protest publically, he should use the list of approved methods

condoned by the police, military, and various butt-hurt white folk.

[clarice]

17. Butt-hurt "white folk" ??????

[clarice]

18. I made a decision long ago not to alert on anyone.... I consider it a form of censorship...

but believe me......Your post deserves an account deletion.

[A HERETIC I AM]

38. ....≥

[clarice]

41. Point? nt

[JanMichael]

49. OMG you do not get it do you....nt

[clarice]

50. OMG.. You refuse to think out of your box...don't you? nt

[JanMichael]

52. We all have boxes. All of us. I have seen enough to know you do too. Nt

[clarice]

53. In which boxes do you think I dwell? nt

[clarice]

51. Sorry , I take that back... please explain it to me. nt

[JanMichael]

54. No worries. I have to hit the sack. Good night. Nt

[clarice]

55. Sleep well my friend... perhaps another time. nt

[A HERETIC I AM]

60. My point?

The point of the .gif image is to illustrate that I think your post was funny.

I made a decision long ago not to alert on anyone.... I consider it a form of censorship...but believe me......Your post deserves an account deletion.

By whose standards? YOURS? That's some serious, spit-take fucking funny, right there.

According to your profile, you been here about 3 1/2 years, since January 30, 2013. The poster who you think "deserves an account deletion" has been here so long that only the year appears (2001).

I find it enormously amusing when virtual newbs get their noses bent out of joint and presume to scold people who have been members in good standing on DU for a decade and a half.


Of course, one wouldn't want to participate in any "form of censorship", now would one?

Unless of course, it bends your nose out of joint,


[font size=20]THEN OFF WITH THEIR FUCKING HEADS, I SAY!![/font size]

[clarice]

11. That's RIGHT !!!! It is a basic right to be born with a perfect body, athletic talent.....

and then not stand for the song that represents the Country that has allowed you to make millions.

[onecaliberal]

13. He earned it, no one gave him jack shit.

The country that he makes millions in, also kills people who look like him every day.
What do the multibillion dollar corporations owe the country who made them billionaires? Do you even hear yourself?

[clarice]

15. oh come on !!!! nt

[uponit7771]

31. Come on what? Just take what you posted at face value with no facts added? tia

[onecaliberal]

40. If you think a great body and athleticism gets you gig in the NFL, you should tell that

to the tens of thousand who aspire to that every year only to be told they are NOT good enough.

[clarice]

42. Yes... but it was their decision to try... and I applaud that. nt

[NuclearDem]

34. The United States does not kill black people.

The leading cause of death of black people by violence in the United States is other black people--not police shootings, not the federal government led by a black President and a black Attorney General, but other black people.

If the United States were a fucking apartheid hellhole like he seems to think, we wouldn't have overwhelmingly elected Barack Obama to lead us twice, Oprah Winfrey, Whitney Houston, Beyonce, and countless others would be absolute nobodies, and whiny little privileged shits like him wouldn't be allowed in the National Football League, much less be making millions in it.

But because a small handful of cop-involved shootings are unjustified, this little shit thinks the United States loves killing black people. Fuck him.

[onecaliberal]

39. Enjoy the dust bin!

[clarice]

43. avoiding facts? nt

[NuclearDem]

58. Frankly, if it's a choice of the dustbin or Airstrip One, I'll choose the former.

If the Western world is going to be dominated by politically-correct collectivists who find facts and reason antithetical to their worldview, then maybe it's best to leave on a relative high note before the second Dark Ages.

[Exilednight]

86. Where else have I read these same sentiments?

Oh yeah, now I remember, it was on my Facebook page where a family member posted from young cons.

I'm not sure what your need is. You're obviously ignorant to facts. It's been more than just a "handful" of innocent minorities that die at the hands of police.

There's only a handful that get reported, but there are many more that get covered up. The fact that he made a choice to use his celebrity to bring attention to a problem seems to really bother you.

The US does have apartheid, and to think otherwise is ignorance at best. Neighborhoods and schools are still segregated to the point of us beginning to look like a third world nation.

And just because we elected a leader with African roots does not mean racism has disappeared. 40+% still voted against him and the majority of the those did so based on race.

I'm trying to figure out what bothers you more, the fact that a black man spoke out, or the fact that he didn't fall in line?

[NuclearDem]

87. "The US does have apartheid"

No, it doesn't. Apartheid was a planned, enforced system of racial segregation that stemmed from beliefs of superiority of one race over another. Black people are not forbidden by law in the United States from living in certain communities based on the color of their skin. Black people are not forbidden by law in the United States from attending certain schools based on the color of their skin. The only deliberate attempts at segregating people based on the color of their skin comes from minority students and social justice crowds at universities.

If the United States was an apartheid state, black people would be forbidden from attending certain schools or living in certain neighborhoods for no reason other than the color of their skin, the President of the United States would not be a black man, sports teams would not take black athletes, and the entertainment industry would not hire black actors. You seem to think that a lack of equality of outcome is indicative of a lack of equality of opportunity or some structural racism, which it certainly isn't.

40+% still voted against him and the majority of the those did so based on race.

Citation needed for the latter part. Even if the majority of people who voted against him did so for racial reasons, that is not indicative of structural racism, only that a lot of individuals hold racist views, and that they are in the minority.

I'm trying to figure out what bothers you more, the fact that a black man spoke out, or the fact that he didn't fall in line?

Disagreeing with something a black man said is not racism. The more and more you guys use that as an escape hatch to avoid having to deal with facts and differing opinions, the more and more you devalue incidents of actual racism and insulate yourselves in an ever-expanding bubble.

[Exilednight]

95. You believe that apartheid is only accomplished one way: thru the state.

In America we use socioeconomics. We create housing projects such as the Robert Taylor Homes, Queensbridge and Jordan Downs and put POC out of sight and out of mind. We then force their children into overcrowded schools where they get a horrible education. We demand that their parents take low paying jobs that keep them away from their kids, since the majority of them are in the service sector with little to no chance of advancement, instead of giving them skills to improve themselves and moving them out of poverty.

But hey, we elected a black president, so it's all good.

The sad part of this whole thing, you don't even have the nerve to say why this whole thing bothers you so much.

The more and more you guys use that as an escape hatch to avoid having to deal with facts and differing opinions, the more and more you devalue incidents of actual racism and insulate yourselves in an ever-expanding bubble.

And who do you mean when you say "you guys"? First you spout right-wing talking points and now you refer to a lifelong Dem as "you guys".

As far as the majority of Republicans who voted against Obama being racist, you're right I can't find a single klansman who admits to being racist. They're new motto is "I'm not ant-black, I'm pro-white".

It takes racists for racism to exist.

[NuclearDem]

96. Nonsense.

And who do you mean when you say "you guys"? First you spout right-wing talking points and now you refer to a lifelong Dem as "you guys".

If you're so far left you think pointing out the reality of a situation is "right-wing", then the problem is with you. "You guys" doesn't refer to lifelong Democrats; I've voted for nobody but Democrats since the day I became eligible to vote. What I'm talking about are the hypersensitive social justice crowd obsessed with race and gender and insisting that I'm a racist or misogynist just by virtue of the fact that I'm white, male, and don't unquestioningly accept every talking point I'm handed no matter how flawed and inaccurate it is.

As far as the majority of Republicans who voted against Obama being racist, you're right I can't find a single klansman who admits to being racist. They're new motto is "I'm not ant-black, I'm pro-white".

Again, if you can't produce evidence that the majority of people who voted against Obama in 2008 or 2012 did so because of race, then I'm calling bullshit. This is the problem with identity politics; because you've tied things about you that you have no control over with your politics, you take opposition to your politics as a direct affront to those attributes. Disagree with a black man, you're a racist. Disagree with a feminist, you're a misogynist. Those words used to mean something, but they've thrown around so much they've lost any power.

In America we use socioeconomics. We create housing projects such as the Robert Taylor Homes, Queensbridge and Jordan Downs and put POC out of sight and out of mind. We then force their children into overcrowded schools where they get a horrible education. We demand that their parents take low paying jobs that keep them away from their kids, since the majority of them are in the service sector with little to no chance of advancement, instead of giving them skills to improve themselves and moving them out of poverty.

Again, you're arguing that a lack of equality of outcome is due to bigotry rather than differing socioeconomic circumstances. Apartheid is a lack of equality of opportunity enforced by the state; if the state is not working to prevent people from advancing or receiving equal treatment under the law due to arbitrary conditions like race, then it's not apartheid. You can call it urban blight, you can call it rural poverty, but you can't call it apartheid because that word has a specific meaning. Poor white kids have shitty schools, poor Hispanic kids have shitty schools, poor black people have shitty schools. White people live in places blighted by poverty, as do Hispanics and black people. Some black people live in areas with great schools, as do some whites and Hispanics.

If you think abject poverty and struggles to make ends meet are somehow unique to urban African American communities and therefore the product of racism, then you need to see what the rest of the country looks like.

[G_j]

14. as they told Jackie Robinson

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/08/29/jackie-robinson-i-cannot-stand-and-sing-the-anthem-i-cannot-salute-the-flag/

Jackie Robinson: “I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag”

[clarice]

16. His choice obviously. No problem with that.....

But to equate Jackie Robinson with Kapernick.... I don't think so.

[uponit7771]

32. What's the difference? tia

[clarice]

44. One is a hero... one is an asshole. nt

[jack_krass]

70. Good answer

[Demit]

33. Do they have different rights?

[clarice]

45. No.. just different Histories. nt

[G_j]

35. they were both speaking to civil rights issues.

but the bottom line is they both should be guaranteed the freedom to express their beliefs.

[clarice]

48. Absolutely !!!! That is what we have fought and died for. nt

[LeftyMom]

61. Considering that several of his siblings had a fatal heart defect

I'm pretty sure he's entirely aware that his body is a blessing.

However I'm pretty sure that the country hasn't given him millions, that he's earned millions by contracting his labor with a private corporation under rules arbitrated by a fairly weak union. Your take on economics is interesting to say the least.

[clarice]

63. I didn't say that he didn't EARN it.....he should just display a modicum of appreciation. nt

[Glassunion]

71. No, but you did say the country "allowed" him to make millions

As if it were a gift from America that he should have the privilege.

[clarice]

73. Agreed.... but not every Country has an economical system that would allow him to make that kind of

dough, not to mention endorsement money.

[Glassunion]

76. That's not the point of his protest.

He sees (as well do I) a flawed system that does not respect him, or others of us who happen to be the wrong color.

[clarice]

78. Not standing for The Anthem is a direct affront to the Country ....that has by it's very system....

allowed him to be loved and respected and wealthy. I realize WHY he's doing it...and if his main complaint involves the
Police only, then certainly there must be a better, more directed way to voice his displeasure. Dontcha' think?

[Glassunion]

81. Why do we stand for the anthem?

[clarice]

89. I believe that it's simply a show of respect. I even put my hand over my heart. peace

[Glassunion]

92. So you believe that is is a showing of respect. Which is cool, I feel the same way.

That said, I also feel that respect is a two way street, and it should never be expected, demanded, or forced.

Forced respect is an oxymoron.

Should a person of color be expected to stand for a national anthem for a country that currently oppresses people of color? A country where black people are killed in disproportionate numbers by police officers who are rarely punished, no matter the circumstances. A country where our votes are suppressed by almost any means possible, so that we cannot even effect change in the ballot box. Should we show respect for that? Should we show respect to a country where police policies and procedures have an overwhelmingly negative impact on minority neighborhoods? Plain and simple question. If America does not treat all citizens equally, then why should it be shown respect?

How much disrespect has been heaved on minority groups in this nation? Not just the black communities. Have we achieved absolute equality for gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc.? Depending on what glasses one is born with to view the world, views differ greatly. Yours may be a rose colored pair, where America is all good and great, and deserves unfettered respect. So, when the anthem plays, you get off your couch at home, stand up, place your hand over your heart and face the television for the duration of the performance. Others may have a view that's less savory. They live in a nation where their country does not respect them, and in fact works quite diligently to oppress them. But, some feel that they should somehow find respect for something that does not respect them back? Personally, I disagree.

Standing or sitting during the anthem does not make one any more or less an American. Throughout American history, real change started because Americans chose to say something that people don't necessarily want to hear or do something that people don't necessarily want to see.

Kaepernick has a stage, he has a voice, and he used it for those who don't have a voice. Hopefully as change for the better. Sure he offended some. Good, now they are paying attention. The more folks who have a voice and a stage speak out, the more people will listen.

There are times and places for overt political statements. However, they are usually most effective when they are done when it isn't the time or place.

[treestar]

64. He could be doing it for other people

Obviously he has beat all the disadvantages down and made it big, but that doesn't mean he is not aware of the police shootings of black men, police brutality, etc. Does not have to affect us personally to protest about it. White people may protest about it too even though they don't suffer effects of it.

[clarice]

65. Oh, I'm sure that his intentions are noble... I just disagree with....

how he chose to do it and the forum that he decided to do it in. Just my opinion.

[Dawson Leery]

27. The Minneapolis police "union" did not like Philando Castile's funeral

because it looked like a defacto state funeral. One their cowards murdered and innocent man, then demanded the funeral be done a certain way. Just a step below Nazism.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

77. The head of the MPLS Union is a member of an off-duty bike "gang"

Called City Heat that's notoriously white-supremacist.

http://www.twincities.com/2009/01/10/ruben-rosario-cops-off-duty-club-questioned-in-lawsuit/

So that's not much of a surprise there.

Not to mention the numbers times Kroll's been racist while he's been on duty since 1994"

https://twincitiesgdc.org/2015/11/29/kroll-report/

[Dawson Leery]

97. Of course!

[DLevine]

36. Hey, the guy hurt their feelings- that can't be tolerated!

Maybe they can beat an apology out of him.

[magicnpoetry]

57. Tone Deaf

I feel if the police actually acknowledged that they have pockets of brutality and need to address their practices, it would go a long way, but they simply rely on 'Blue Lives Matter' memes to misdirect the conversation.

[gopiscrap]

59. I agree

most pigs are royal fucking assholes

[VulgarPoet]

79. Disappoints me how many pig defenders there are in this thread.

But doesn't surprise me.

[onecaliberal]

82. My dust bin got some action. I can't tollerate that.

[VulgarPoet]

84. I can't blame you.

I wouldn't even trust the police if I was in the shit, let alone trust them to behave in society.

[clarice]

88. "Pig Defenders" !!!!!??? This ain't the 1960's groovy cat. lol

[VulgarPoet]

98. Might as well be, what with all the barely-veiled racism.

But hey, you do you, while I go update my ignore list.