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[Vinca]

1. Excellent idea.

And I especially agree with your last sentence.

[Marengo]

2. In what way will you not tolerate an OC'er? What action will you take?

[WinstonSmith4740]

35. We're talking about businesses.

Every owner of a business has the right to refuse service to anyone. They are completely with-in their rights to tell someone "open carrying" they have to leave their detachable penis in their car. (If we had an emoji for "intentional snark", I'd use it here.) IMHO, this is different from telling a gay couple you won't bake their wedding cake, because that's not a public safety issue. Open carry is.

[SCantiGOP]

42. Exactly

I went in to see the manager of the Kroger where I had shopped for years when I read that their policy was to allow open carry if the local laws allowed it. He told me he basically agreed with me, but that he had to follow corporate policy. I wrote to their HQ, and got back a form letter saying that they followed the local laws. I wrote again, pointing out that the local laws allowed them to opt out of letting people come into their stores with a rifle slung over their shoulder.
When I got a second form letter, I wrote them back, with copy to the local store, saying I would never shop there again, and I haven't been inside their store since.

[WinstonSmith4740]

56. Good for you!

I think that's the route we need to take. If companies have to make a choice between the 99% of their customers who don't carry their guns everywhere, and the 1% who do, they'll come around real fast.

I saw this (on a different level) in Los Angeles years ago, when there was a push to make restaurants non-smoking. The owners went to the public meetings decrying how this would destroy their business, it wasn't their place to police it, etc. But when they started working the numbers (85% of their customers didn't smoke), and seeing that restaurants that went non-smoking without being told to were doing really well, they changed their tune. I remember listening to one owner testifying at a hearing that he fought the concept with all his might, using all the common talking points, but after he had to go non-smoking, his business actually went UP.

But we have to be vocal. More people need to follow your lead.

[Marengo]

53. The OP seemed to suggest he would take some kind of personal action against individuals who...

OC in addition to his call for a boycott.

[redstatebluegirl]

3. A lot of small businesses are in places where a large majority of their customers carry.

I don't like it either, but we need to change the laws, not punish a small business trying to keep their heads above water. Some of them are one or two good customers away from losing their business.

Go after the laws, the NRA people who can well afford the fight.

[Marengo]

7. Where is that? I live in one of the counties with the highest ownership rates in the US and rarely..

See an OC'er. Three so far this year I think. This suits me quite well as I think OC is ridiculous.

[redstatebluegirl]

11. I agree that OC is stupid, I just think the anger at the businesses that choose not

to piss off their customers are not the issue. We have left restaurants because of OC people, we always pay our bill if there is one and tell the owner why we won't be back. But I don't think a list is necessary. These are not Target or Kohls.

[Marengo]

15. If you don't mind my asking, what is your state of residence? I'm curious as I hear much...

About OC but rarely encounter it although just about about everyone where I live has at least one firearm. However, most are very quiet about it. It seems such an absurd idea I simply can't comprehend a large segment of the population doing so anywhere.

[tonyt53]

4. I own my own private engineering business. Guns aren't allowed unless it is by law enforcement.

Have a sign on the front door. Most of the people that come in here are professionals and pretty secure in who they are and have no need to carry a gun to make them feel better about themselves.

[hlthe2b]

5. I'm in... I noticed a sign in an independently owned store (sorry can't remember the name) ...

making clear that they did not allow guns. In the future, I will take notice of such policies--absolutely.







And for those gun-obsessed posters--don't bother with a snide post. I will not be intimidated and I ill not be responding.

[Eleanors38]

38. "gun-obsessed posters:" Including the OP posting in General Dscussion?

I mean, I didn't make the OP. Is this a closed loop in GD?

[SCantiGOP]

44. I think the post

is referring to you.

[4lbs]

6. I seem to recall that in the 1880s and 1890s, many towns had "No Guns" signs posted.

I know that Wyatt Earp didn't allow guns in his town, and took steps to remove (forcibly if needed) the guns of anyone entering.

Places like Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge City had quite strict gun laws. Yet, they are romanticized in movies with people carrying guns all over the place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/did-the-wild-west-have-mo_b_956035.html

<snip>
Yet this is all based on a widely shared misunderstanding of the Wild West. Frontier towns — places like Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge — actually had the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation.

..........

A check? That’s right. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
<snip>

[jmg257]

12. Wasn't that the cause of the gunfight at the OK Corral? nt

[OldRedneck]

40. Well, yes but there's more to it than that

The Clanton family and their associates . . . some would say "their gang" . . . was engaged in a lot of entrepreneurial activities, including going into Mexico, rustling cattle, then selling the cattle on the US side of the border. They also were implicated in stagecoach robberies and other money-making ventures. They presented themselves as just good ol' boys trying to make a living.

The Earp's decided to bring law and order to the area, including clamping down on the Clanton "businesses." The Tombstone town marshal was on the take from the Clanton's and he and the Earp's butted heads. Tensions grew and grew, eventually leading to the OK Corral gun fight. . . which did not happen in the OK Corral!!!

It's quite complicated but it's a great story about the reality of the "wild west" where sometimes the peace officers were not much more than thugs with a badge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfight_at_the_O.K._Corral

[beevul]

26. Only the carried guns.

Guns not being carried were perfectly fine to have at home or outside of town.

[NaturalHigh]

8. I'm in Oklahoma. That's not going to happen around here.

[MohRokTah]

9. Boycotts rarely ever work. eom

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. You forgot the sarasm thingy.

Here, use this one. >

[Marengo]

19. Who is organizing this boycott?

[sarisataka]

32. Somebody....,

somewhere..., sometime....., eventually.

Maybe

[Eleanors38]

41. IMO, all GunControl "movements" begin in GD, not in the other two (2) groups. Or try to.

[sarisataka]

47. And that is

where they end as well.

The two activists never seem to get around to discussing activities; they just wait for someone else to post so they can have a success...

[Eleanors38]

51. Indeed, I actually have to search for gun threads beyond the two (2) groups. Oh, well...

Another posting site for gunz, gunz, gunz, another yuge victory for the controllers.

[LanternWaste]

24. You may want to do further research rather than simply alleging a thing to be so.

Boycotts against Abercrombie & Fitch, Rite Aid, the Townsend Acts, the Delano grape stike, Montgomery transit system, Nestle, Caterpillar, SeaWorld, Fruit of the Loom, Kimberly Clark and DeBeers have been rather effective in their goals.

Those are merely off the top of my head. You may want to do further research rather than simply alleging a thing to be so.

[MohRokTah]

25. You name a few that have worked.

The vast majority never work. I've seen at least a few hundred boycotts called for over the past 16 years. Only a handful had any effect at all.

[Angry Dragon]

10. Why do you think they call them cowboys??

Didn't Willie Nelson sing a song about ...... Don't Let Your Sons Grow Up To Be Cowboys

[SwankyXomb]

31. Johnny Cash had a more accurate prediction of the outcome

[Eleanors38]

52. If I am not mistaken, he had an old Remington Model 81...

High-powered semi-auto rifle. Don't know if he took it to town, but who's gonna say no to Johnny Cash?

[pamela]

14. Check out this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028021675

There's a great graphic in the O.P. of that thread that would be perfect for the boycott.

[jmg257]

18. AH I remember that thread. Has anyone printed them up yet? nt

[Marengo]

20. I didn't notice any after actions reports in that thread, so I wonder as well.

[jmg257]

21. Well, along with all this anger & a boycott, I expect we will see some REAL action taken now.

[Marengo]

23. Yep, and success so fast and complete we will be stunned.

[Eleanors38]

48. Well, maybe it was posted in the wrong forum? Group?

Certainly, there seems to be a surfeit of posting sites in DU.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

16. I suspect it won't work, but I wish the best.

I own a couple rifles. I almost never shoot them, but mostly keep them around for some unexpected situation.

I honestly had NO IDEA that I could carry them loaded out in public (with a few exceptions) here in Ohio until I saw reports about the open carry laws in regard to the GOP convention.

That strikes me a crazy! I'll avoid a "Darwin Award" from doing such a thing, thank you.

I'm not a terribly fearful person, but it's the types of people who "open carry" that scare me more than most people in this country! If they are that fearful, then that probably means they're dangerous as well. Frightened animals often pose the greatest threat.

[Iggo]

17. I already leave if I see a gun. And I tell 'em why I'm leaving.

[Duckhunter935]

22. Concealed carry is a much better option

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. If people are compelled to be armed in public, I agree.

It's less likely to stir panic and fear in others. That often spells trouble.

[SCantiGOP]

39. I would agree if we had rational rules on concealed carry

Such as you have to have a legitimate reason to want the permit. Not just every yahoo who wants to carry a gun.
If you want to carry a gun join the army or the police force.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

46. I don't disagree!

There's also no reliable way to test their mental stability. It mostly comes down to criminal records, and those don't tell the whole story.

There was a company President at one of my past jobs who pointed his loaded pistol at the heads of managers at a meeting! He had a concealed carry license and no criminal record, but he was also one of those super-paranoid anti-Obama freaks.

When rumors of what happened leaked out, I was astounded that nobody in the meeting called 9-1-1 immediately on that nut! One of them said, "If you feel so strongly about it, why don't YOU call the cops?" I replied, "It's hearsay from me!"

Bunch of cowards. The President later addressed all of the employees to explain that it was just a "joke" and people needed to quit talking about it.

He was fired for some OTHER reason a few months later, thank goodness.

[Eleanors38]

49. I agree. This has been discussed numerous times in the two (2) designated gun groups.

[friendly_iconoclast]

54. Agreed n/t

[drray23]

27. I agree. open carry is more trouble that it is worth

All it does is intimidate or scare other people. What if the guy sitting next table to you and who is open carrying is deranged and about to get up and start shooting ? At least, for concealed carry you have to get a permit and you do not freak out other people.

I live in Virginia where open carry is allowed. I occasionally see people doing that but not very often. The only time I carry myself is to walk from my house to my woodworking shop on my property. Its a few hundred yards away and in early spring, black bears can sometimes pop out of the swamp and wander in. Our property backs to the swamp.
I never had to shoot a bear but I do not want to be face to face with one as I exit my shop unprepared. I never felt the need to walk around armed when I go to town or anywhere else.

[beevul]

28. *shrug*

The method of peaceful carry doesn't much matter to me, so long as it stays peaceful.

I don't carry a gun, nor do I have any desire to, but I always make it a point to thank businesses that welcome those who carry.

I'll take a pass on your boycott...

[ananda]

29. My only problem with that is ..

.. I have no idea what isn't open carry any more.

[Eleanors38]

43. There does seem to be a split among some controllers: Open or concealed?

[PasadenaTrudy]

33. I've never even seen a gun

except on a cop.

[Warpy]

34. Fortunately, I haven't seen open carry gunloons around here

but I know there is concealed carry most places I go.

I will say if I ever see some moron with a Big Ugly Gun slung across his back, I will leave the area fast. Ditto a pistol anywhere I can see it. Those people are spoiling for some kind of fight and I want no part of the crossfire.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

36. I feel the same way.

I consider them to be like frightened animals, and they're often the most dangerous.

[Eleanors38]

45. This very question is discussed in one of the two (2) groups dealing with guns.

[bucolic_frolic]

37. What do banks do

with open carry clients?

[sarisataka]

50. Get started

Although I am concerned by the phrase "citizens have to chase these people off in some way"- that sounds like an encouragement for vigilante activity.

[Eleanors38]

55. Heh. I get started every day by perusing GD for gun posts before I get around to GCRKBA!

lease note I am not interfering wid anyones posting 'bout them gunz in GD.

[deathrind]

57. It worked against Target.

It can easily be applied in a broader spectrum.