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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease rec if you want the DNC to comply with their own impartiality rule.
safeinOhio
(32,632 posts)ouch..
DURHAM D
(32,603 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)not just the one candidate the "fairness" yammerers care about.
Nine (9!) of our candidates had the debate door slammed in their face and were NEVER presented to the American public so we could evaluate our full range of choices. Yet now we're shocked, shocked I say! at proof that the DNC favored its frontrunner.
The unprincipled opportunism, mindless partisan aggression, and deep layer of hypocrisy over this issue are overwhelming.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)It's doesn't matter that the last primary is over. It matters that we straighten out the failures of OUR DNC . No one is fighting the last primary.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)and remove all the bad bits. The next storm is coming and its name is Donald.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)So we don't punish the murderer, we no longer see it as a murder?
I don't think so--the crime was done, the deniers are still abundant, and they need to accept the wrong that was done to Sanders.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)3 POINTS, we'll take it..and its good!!!
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)and Personal foul.. 15 yards after the kick off!!
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts):p
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Oh, I think we all know where the bias originates.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)what software are you using to make those pics...?
Thanks...
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... or at least often...
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I see it as fighting the last primary.
Since that will likely be your last post, I won't welcome you to DU.
Saying you won't vote for Clinton on this site is a direct violation of the TOS you agreed to when you signed up
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)It is NOT fighting the last primary, it IS about cleaning up the DNC, which seems to be a pool of cess. When a group is so corrupted that they ignore their own charter, they damage the whole party, and possibly, the election chances of our candidate.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)But you ignore and possibly anger those who do not. Why?
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Laser102
(816 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)It is fighting to ensure the the NEXT Primary in 2020 is run fairly according to the Impartiality Rules written into the DNC Charter.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I do not share it.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)would involve trying to get Hillary's nomination overturned.
No one is trying to do that.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)attempting to discredit the nominee because your chosen candidate lost.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)people like you that are implying we are trying to discredit the chosen candidate. I'm voting for Hillary and I don't believe Hillary was in on DWS's little game. Just because we want to make sure that the DNC is not rigged doesn't mean we don't support Hillary and the OP didn't imply that either.
Orrex
(63,169 posts)My FB feed is blowing up with people calling for DWS to be arrested and for Clinton to be disqualified from running. So even if we have a contingent of sane and rational Sanders supporters here, it is false to claim that none of his supporters are trying to discredit Clinton (whom they've taken to calling "Killary," by the way).
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)that there aren't crazy Hillary supporters too. Some of them making all kinds of generalizations about Sanders supporters. I have read the postings of a few right here on DU.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)For simply wanting fairness.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)...
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Some might. A minority for sure.
Just like I can say "Clinton supporters ignore transgressions and don't care about fairness"....but that would be false because only SOME Clinton supporters ignore transgressions....
Orrex
(63,169 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This is simply not true.
These "we're perfect" notions are just embarrassing!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Exposing the last primary and fighting the last primary are two different things, y'know.
Insisting it doesn't happen again seems reasonable.
turbinetree
(24,683 posts)Honk----------------for a political revolution
PatSeg
(47,239 posts)than presidential primaries. The competence and integrity of the DNC is important for all Democratic candidates and mid-terms are just two years away.
There have been a lot of problems with the way Wasserman Schultz has been running the DNC for a long time now. I can't count how many petitions there have been for her to resign. This is not new and is not a petty diversion. For me, it certainly is not about "fighting the last primary", I was undecided, leaning toward Hillary. I would have liked more debates so I could get to know the candidates better.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Not one thing.
People are people.
PatSeg
(47,239 posts)should be more careful what they write in DNC emails then, because a whole lot of people do see plenty wrong there. It is not like we are talking about someone's personal email account.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)"be more careful what they write in DNC emails".
Not a single thing wrong with any of the emails.
PatSeg
(47,239 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There is no common ground on this issue between us.
That pretty much ends this discussion.
Have a great Sunday!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)... its legal underpinning and stated reason for existing?
My my. I guess I'm not too surprised, openly doubling-down on fraud and deception
has become par for the course in certain circles.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)let me know that operatives of this Party would also use LGBT status against a candidate, his 'Southern Baptist peeps' don't like us either and that email about baiting them with Sander's faith scream of privilege and let minorities know we will not have a fair shake in this Party.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)
Top DNC Official Apologizes for 'Insensitive' Email After Leak
by PHIL HELSEL
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The chief financial officer of the Democratic National Committee on Saturday apologized for the "insensitive" contents of an email leaked by the website WikiLeaks which appears to refer to Bernie Sanders.
The internal email from Brad Marshall was one of more than 19,000 emails from several officials in the Democratic National Committee released Friday by the website founded by Julian Assange.
An email purportedly written by Marshall in May appears to refer to Sanders, but does not name him.
The email says "ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist."
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In a Facebook post Saturday, Marshall said emails were written in the heat of the moment.
"I deeply regret that my insensitive, emotional emails would cause embarrassment to the DNC, the chairwoman, and all of the staffers who worked hard to make the primary a fair and open process," Marshall said. "The comments expressed do not reflect my beliefs nor do they reflect the beliefs of the DNC and its employees. I apologize to those I offended." "
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Sure as hell seems an admission to me of lack of impartiality.
George II
(67,782 posts)...even know yet that the so-called "DNC emails" are even genuine or altered.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)And severely tripping over themselves to apologize.
George II
(67,782 posts)....and most of the hits were right wing media outlets - first two were redstate.com and nypost.com
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Maybe you should check your google.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/top-dnc-official-apologizes-insensitive-email-after-leak-n615606
Any other questions I can answer for you?
George II
(67,782 posts)...
Brad Marshall, the "DNC member" in question, is in fact NOT a "member" but a staffer.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/top-dnc-staffer-apologizes-for-email-on-sanders-religion-226072
My google works perfectly. Yours?
Now about those so-called apologetic DNC members?
By the way, if you do dig up any other "members" you might want to check here first to confirm that they really ARE members:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....who run the place are employees.
Not "circular logic", but real world reality.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Being a member of the church. My cousin has a membership to her health club while also being a personal trainer at said health club
George II
(67,782 posts)...is on the DNC member list.
I'll buy you a beer if you find it.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Super Delegates, in fact it's a very small portion.
Nancyswidower
(182 posts)Teach me that please.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There was nothing wrong in any of the emails.
Not. A. Thing.
KPN
(15,635 posts)As are party rules.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)KPN
(15,635 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)My, that is compelling. It's only the left, the right, and the media that are complaining.
What do their opinions matter, compared to literally ONES of MohRokTahs who agree there's nothing wrong?
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Interesting if you actually read the emails you would see the anti-Semitism, the unfair tactics, and the corruption that they represented on behalf of Hillary Clinton... Everyone should be shocked and outraged at the DNC over this the rightwing has already ascribed this campaign as one of insiders and rigged systems out to destroy everyday Americans, do you suggest we brush this outrageous display of rigged system under the rug?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There was absolutely nothing wrong with them.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)It might may (sic) no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist,
Notice how this person uses Bernie Sanders religion (Jewish) as a play to get people to vote against him. You think that is OK, sort of like claiming Obama is a Muslim to get people to vote against him, you have a problem with that?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)There is absolutely no anti-semitism. They merely made an accurate observation that Sander's atheism will not play in sections fo the country whereas observant Jews do play as well as pious Christians.
Not one thing wrong with that email.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)and the fact that is was done to try and create a false narrative (A Lie) about Bernie Sanders to affect the outcome of a Primary? You read without any context, like these are just words but you assign no context to when this was and what the intentions were... How absolutely ridiculous of you....
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)that the DNC was not like the RNC... that at that level in a party you at least attempted to be impartial... but let me ask you had Bernie won and the DNC did this to Hillary are you going to honestly say you would not be upset and asking for some correction so that it never happens again?... Please try and be believable in your response, I was here in 08 when Hillary lost the nom.
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)something it is not.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)So - I step in line in front of you - doing so without excusing myself - and you accept that??? Shrug it off to "people are people"?
How about we play a round of Monopoly? After we get the board set up and get our playing pieces in place, I'll run my Scottie to Park Place before the first throw of the dice and explain to you that that's the way I play this game - screw the rules you stupidly want to cling to. If you're playing, just play along or just give me all the property deeds right off the bat! And no whining that I'm not being fair. When I win, you can congratulate me or go somewhere else. Comprende?
George II
(67,782 posts)elleng
(130,713 posts)and hope for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)KPN
(15,635 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)by our actions..
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,315 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)whopis01
(3,491 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)has tons of recs & responses. Hmmmm.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)over and over.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I was one of the votes for not a violation.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)They've been swarming my posts for seven months now.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)I said it wasn't a violation. Others apparently agreed with me.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Leaked emails about people's private thoughts and/or in jokes are immaterial.
This is the biggest mountain out of a molehill I've ever seen. It's beginning to seem like a contrived distraction from the VP rollout and imminent convention. An attempt to undercut the Democratic election process.
I'd love to see some emails suggesting coordination on this front.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)I have seen none of the emails that mention things that were executed to interfere with the primary elections--or what was left of them. Clinton had been far ahead for some time, with no path to victory for Sanders except winning 99% of California, and the elections played out to the bitter end.
Get over it. Your guy lost. This is not a story.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Luis Miranda, the national communications director for the DNC, is seen in two separate email chains briefing reporters with both Politico and the Wall Street Journal. In one email thread with Politicos Daniel Strauss, Miranda told Strauss that he would point out some of the issues with Sen. Sanders DNC committee appointments off the record with Strauss to help him write his story.
http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-leaks-9-emails/
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and Sanders' committee members were appointed. Not impressed. This is crybaby stuff.
None of the issues at your link amount to a hill of beans. Responding to Sanders campaign false allegations of "money laundering" is a completely valid issue.
SunSeeker
(51,504 posts)They let the losing candidate put his people on the platform committee, even letting him seat a non-Dem Obama-hater who went on to endorse the Green Party presidential candidate.
PatSeg
(47,239 posts)on television today, Howard Dean and Ed Rendell, both Hillary supporters. They both said the emails were very disturbing, hardly immaterial. They ran a tight ship.
Also "private thoughts" shouldn't be found in work emails.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)The iPhone came out 2007 and Dean was running RNC in 2009? Emails were still what you got on and sent from your computer, not your phone. But if you can send from your phone, your tablet, your watch even, and if everyone has such devices, then there this DNC had a lot more emails to contend with than prior DNC's. So I'm going to say that both of them would find it harder to run that tight ship now, and are being a bit harsh on this DNC, given (1) how messaging is taken for granted and has changed and gotten so huge it's hard to monitor everything, and (2) given that the internet has created an atmosphere where people tend to say what they think and push the "send" button a lot faster. Back just seven years ago, there was a bit more editing and thought before pushing that send button.
And there is always that problem with what the person "thinks" they're saying and what they're saying. I've heard a lot of conversations where the people *THINK* they're being fair and impartial, yet if they run it by someone from the other side, they'll hear that they're being bias. If we were all told that there rules were to be impartial, and yet here we are talking politics--talking about what issues our candidates might run into in the South or from people of color...would we *sound* impartial? Especially to those fearing bias against that candidate?
Sometimes it is bias. And sometimes, it's hard for the person saying it to tell the difference. And sometimes, it's hard for the person hearing it to tell the difference. Remember when that black woman was accused of being anti-white? Turned out she'd was telling a story of what she'd "THOUGHT" about helping a white couple who'd been bigoted towards blacks...but she did help them. Yet when that story came out--just that part of the story where she said what her first thought was...everyone rushed to fire her. Obama apologized! And that did exactly what the GOP wanted--it make it look like white people were being persecuted, not blacks.
But it wasn't the whole story. So, is that quote from one email the whole story? What was in reply to? What were the other e-mails? I don't think any democrat should be rushing to judgement here about anyone or anything.
leftstreet
(36,097 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,283 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)They wouldn't be trying so hard to defend it.
Transparent rationalization is transparent.
Kingofalldems
(38,419 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)stage left
(2,960 posts)He is supporting the Democratic nominee after all, as are 85% or better of his supporters.
elmac
(4,642 posts)As I see it most were center right until Bernie set them straight.
onecaliberal
(32,775 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,419 posts)Justified or not, that's a fact.
onecaliberal
(32,775 posts)If democrats were so against his views why did they allow him to caucus with them and why did they appoint him to a chairmanship? The ACA vote in the senate would NOT have passed without him.
Kingofalldems
(38,419 posts)left or centrist. It is not a religion to me. Time now to move on and defeat Trump, who is a danger not only here but to the world.
onecaliberal
(32,775 posts)If this had been done to Hillary everyone would not be okay with it, that's the point. Even surrogates for Hillary are calling this the disaster it is. You people are not helping her cause. This ISNT going to convince anyone to vote for the orangutan, so spare me.
Kingofalldems
(38,419 posts)Your candidate didn't get enough votes. Period. That's not Hillary's fault.
Fact.
Darb
(2,807 posts)are as dumb as a box of fucking rocks.
mwooldri
(10,299 posts)Reminds me of this quote: "I would never join a club that would have me as a member." Bernie for many many years has been a Democrat in all but name. There are many Democrats who are in my opinion Democrats in Name Only... DINOs. DIABN doesn't trip off the tongue very well.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Keeping the rules in order is what all the cool kids should be doing!
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)If the good folks at the DNC had preferred Bernie and worked to exclude HRC and Bernie became the candidate, would the same people claiming that we should only look forward be comfortable with the results? I'm guessing there are plenty who might not care either way, but certainly a vocal group who'd be pissed.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)although, I disliked one more than the other. No matter who benefits, tilting the scale is what gives the "the candidates their turn" (Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney) promoting mediocrity and status quo candidates.
I respect former office holders and Dems in leadership who remain neutral during primaries and hope that the DNC will return to that. Adopting the worst elements of the GOP furthers the "no difference" argument.
elmac
(4,642 posts)and there are civil lawsuits that will bring it out in the court of law. Bernie is ready to forgive and move on but the long arm of the law, civil law, will not.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Are started by people still flying lots of Bernie banners...
Just an observation...
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Some even recced the "rec this if violating the rules is OK with you" thread.
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Just like this one? I have so I can save you the trouble. They are almost exclusively started by people flying lots of Bernie flags. Make of it what you will.
It's just an observation - really!
BTW - breaking news seems to be saying DWS is out and DNC chair. I'll be honest with you - that doesn't break my heat, I've never been a big fan.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Seems pretty damned obvious that they did.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Few folks with experience and who understand what that rule is about suggest she violated it.
Its mostly a perception issue that certain folks have exploited.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Big words, and all that.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Does it bother you that you aren't seeing more concern from Hillary supporters on how the DNC acted?
Somehow I doubt it.
panader0
(25,816 posts)and have true impartiality before the next election. Shenanigans should have
no part in our party.
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)You are up for a real disappointment. The same biases exist in the workplace, worship spaces, and even inside of families. Human beings will continue to be human and full of all the frailties, frustrations, and biases they have exhibited since at least the time of Machiavelli and probably before.
All any of us can really do is try to be as honest and as fair as we can be on any given day.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)We don't need no impartiality in our party!!!
Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)Have you never broken or bent a rule?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,036 posts)But people will be people. I've seen a lot of fury about the "venting of frustrations" in a relatively few emails mostly sent by underlings. What I have not seen is any concrete provable facts that say the leadership specifically conspired to tilt the field in one specific direction. I know there are lots of suspicions and frustrations but as far as cold hard proveable facts - they seem to be very few and very far between. If it did happen - I wouldn't be surprised because none of us is perfect.
In addition, Bernie is a career politician that well understands how the system works. He has even used it to his advantage. There is nothing at all wrong with that. But he knows politics ain't bean bag and he knows how to navigate the system that exists. If he is ready to move on, then maybe we all should be too.
Let me just close saying I think the rules are there to keep us focused on our "better angels." The fact that we will fall short isn't a reason to abandon the rules. It's a reminder that none of us - no matter how hard we try - can really avoid our own personal biases. With luck we can look beyond them and still act in the best interest of those we would serve.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Salivate and join hands with the Trumpsters. What a bunch of suckers.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They are full of shit and deliberately aiding rat fuckers.
http://www.amalanetwork.com/2016/07/23/shills-and-scandals-the-misleading-dncleaks-tweet-by-tweet/
Scuba
(53,475 posts)I hate that the DNC has tainted Hillary's primary win with this bullshit, but it's a self-inflicted wound.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the toxicity of such biases in the workplace. Democrats seek to legislate recourse and remedy for the injustices of such biases, we don't shrug them off as inevitable.
This Party can not exhibit a willingness to bait minority persons. This Brad with the So Baptist 'peeps' would use my being LGBT to hinder me if I ran for office, and he works for MY fucking Party and that's wrong. To describe that as merely 'internal Party politics' is obscenely self serving. He's saying we should seek out bigots and point out to them who among are rivals are in their hated minorities. It's vile.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)I think of how much they've fought against Grayson, a lifelong FDR Democrat, and in favor of an only recent Republican convert
for Rubio's senate seat. I believe the rule is they are supposed to favor Dem incumbents (eg. DWS herself against Tim), even when the incumbent is a DINO. But the Florida Senate situation is clearly ag the DNC charter.
The DNC's impartiality is also evident in their fight against stating TPP opposition in the platform, an opposition the overwhelming majority of Dem voters hold.
This is not a cosmetic issue. It is an issue crucial to public perception (including that of all democrats') and the integrity of our "democratic" party. If the DNC charter raises money and represents themselves as impartially acting to support dems, then they need to clean house now of those who violate that fundamental mission.
druidity33
(6,444 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)...thanks for uncovering yet another DUer who shall never darken my door with propaganda and/or childish condescension. The ignore button has sadly become my friend lately.... it is the only way i can come here anymore.
Good to see that you are still here Scuba.
KPN
(15,635 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)A few sources are reporting that she's going to be removed from her spot as chair at the convention.
Would have been nice had that happened you know... awhile ago. Better late than never I suppose. Still pretty pissed about how this whole thing played out.
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retrowire
(10,345 posts)This is really what it comes down to.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)Apparently in this event, it's all good.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)than the rule breaking itself.
Paper Roses
(7,471 posts)Impartial has not been in the vocabulary of the DNC. It seems a little late for that.
Nothing has been impartial since the beginning of the campaign.
This old timer is disgusted.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Should resign, before she taints our nominee with this utterly destructive scandal.
p.s. More email shit from Democrats... the jokes write themselves dontcha know !!
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)She is in congress and the DNC chair. No one can work two major full-time jobs. It is part of the reason for democrats losing so many elections across this country and in congress. She was not able to work the DNC full-time.
We now have proof she undermined Bernie's campaign. She has not upheld her position on two major areas.
DWS must step down. Immediately.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)If the Democratic Party won't follow its own rules, because of personal ambition, we're really screwed.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Should be the same for all party officials, all the way to the top.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Scruffy1
(3,252 posts)In this case the emails were uncovered, but there are a lot of ways of communicating. What I would like to see to see is more power at the local level. It seems to me that the DNC and super delegate system is weighted in favor of entrenched power.i was an active union member for much of my life, and I know that union leadership simply supports and curries favor with those in power or the most likely to be in power. One of the unions I belong to actually gave money to Darryl Issa. I have no problems with elected officials being super delegates since they are democratically elected, but union bosses are not really elected democratically. These are all things to think over in the future, but for now the main job is burying the Republican Party six feet under.
Chitown879
(13 posts)I believe that charter is only meant to support democrats. Bernie was and still is an Independent. You can't be invited and they try to change the rules.
Since the primary is over we really need to stick to business Debbie is out and now the US SCOTUS is at risk.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)he was granted the same rights and privileges as any other candidate and therefore had a reasonable expectation of being treated the same, I'd think as evidenced by the legal standing he no doubt had when he threatened to sue if necessary to get his stuff out from under their control.
try another lame excuse/justificatoin for their conduct eh?
George II
(67,782 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)I didn't say a damn thing about his being treated differently
Nancyswidower
(182 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)His Senate Reelection Committee:
Name: FRIENDS OF BERNIE SANDERS
Address: PO BOX 391, BURLINGTON, VT 05402
Treasurer Name: LORA HAGGARD
Type: S - SENATE
Designation: P - PRINCIPAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE OF A CANDIDATE
Party: INDEPENDENT
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Bernie was registered to run as a Democrat.
Period.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that's why so many don't care about how the game was played in this instance.
Politics is like religion, and getting worse in terms of being a breeding ground for hypocrites.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)It's not.
merrily
(45,251 posts)klook
(12,151 posts)Or is the idea of following such a rule hopelessly naive and "darling," to use a word snidely applied to a certain campaign early on?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)...got lots of pushback/eyes covered type of reaction:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2280287
Darb
(2,807 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
demmiblue
(36,816 posts)What does this have to do with the DNC and the Democratic candidates?
Darb
(2,807 posts)what else could it possibly mean?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)The rules require impartiality for Democratic candidates.
Your point is worthless (and inaccurate).
Darb
(2,807 posts)Sanders jumped into the party right before he ran. Everyone else has been there a long time. Now I know you bernies want to make hay over the fact that not every Democrat, legitimate Democrat, bent over backwards to help the interloper, but who really gives a shit about your whining at this point. It is over. Wasn't even as close as Obama v. Hillary.
Bernie lost. If you want to vote for Rump, that is your right. But according to the rules of the DU, you cannot whine any longer about Bernie. So quit your whining.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)DU is not the world, by the way.
And learn the difference between a "Socialist" and a democratic socialist. You sound like a right-winger when you inaccurately conflate like that.
Darb
(2,807 posts)The bernies don't listen to reason. That's why they are all running around without noses, holding their own votes hostage. Geez. Brilliant.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I have every intention of voting for Hillary in November.
So you got that wrong.
Democratic socialist is not the same as Socialist.
You got that wrong.
Bernie is a Democrat until he isn't.
That wrong, too.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Look at all the kooks out there in Philly, for starters, giving the media whores something to babble about. Not helpful I'd say, far more than calling them whiners on the DU.
Bernie is not a "democratic socialist", there is no such thing here in the good ol' USA except in the minds of the bernies who are trying desperately to keep from getting compared to Venezuela, or some such cowardly shit where they cannot hold tight to their convictions to socialism. And just claiming to be a Democrat does not mean that you automatically get the respect from the rank and file that have dedicated their lives to the cause. He is an interloper, at best. If he wanted to be a Democrat he could have been one all along, a liberal one. But he chose not to. That is, until he ran fro President and started demanding equal treatment. Pshaw.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)The peons must obey the rules, not enforce them.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)n/t.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)I see nothing wrong with that philosophy.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Want a do over starting with a level playing field. Not the corrupt DNC that we've had to endure.
joedogs
(34 posts)what don't these knee jerk asshats understand. the process was Rigged you tainted the election, nothing that you or anyone from DNC says will be believed. you had to rig the game to win. And to the idiot crying the primary is over get over it. Kiss me where the sun don't shine if the process was fair and impartial we wouldn't be having this conversion. And I would have supported the winner of a fair primary. Now I question should I stay or should I go on supporting a party that is able to rig an election.
chillfactor
(7,572 posts)I am sick and tired of the whole thing.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Would have been nice if there was nothing in the emails to make it happen.
No Democrat was harmed in the making of this post!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Laser102
(816 posts)the primary is over. So what is the point of this?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... having Hillary's primary win tainted by the bad behavior of the DNC staffers who violated the impartiality rule.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)But probably not, because the myopia of most registered Dems can't see past the next election.
It can't even see that millions of habitual Dem voters don't need to be and aren't registered democrats.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)rules apparently don't apply (nor matter) to some..
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Other threads suggest a lot of members are OK with this. Please rec if you think such rule can be violated if it's for a good cause, or provide other justification if you feel it's OK for other reasons.
It's on the Greatest page, for crying out loud.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Huh, wonder why.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Greybnk48
(10,162 posts)I'm seething! I have been full prepared to back Hillary or whomever won the Dem nomination. I would NEVER back a third party candidate as being too risky. But I'm livid at the feeling that they used Bush v Gore tactics and now are saying "move on" it's over. We rigged it, but it's over.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)the perfect attitude for a repeat of the same kind of thing
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I think a certain fan base doesn't care. Winning is everything to them, corruption or dirty tricks be damned. It would be an interesting exercise to see how they would feel if similar emails came to light for the GOP.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)crim son
(27,464 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)wallyworld2
(375 posts)to hold ourselves to the standards we set
we need to hold ourselves accountable
and most of all we need to learn from history
even recent history