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15-year-old boy shot in the abdomen Saturday has died and a 42-year-old homeowner has been arrested in his death.
Jeffery Lovell, 42, 120 Boucher Circle, has been charged with murder. He is being held in the Chicopee Police Department jail without right to bail, Michael Wilk, public information officer for the Chicopee Police Department, said.
Lovell is being accused of shooting the teenager through the door of his house at about 12:56 p.m., Saturday.
Police initially received a call of a breaking and entering into the home in the Fairview section of the city. When they arrived, they found the teenager on the ground suffering from a gunshot wound to his abdomen, Wilk said.
"It was determined that three parties went to the residence believing it to be (the home of) a friend. One party, the victim, was banging on the outside door, when the homeowner shot through the door, striking the male," Wilk said.
Investigators found the victim and a friend were drinking alcohol at a nearby home. The two friends were confused while walking in the neighborhood and believed they had arrived at the home of another friend, said James Leydon, spokesman for Hampden District Attorney Anthony Gulluni, said.
Lovell, the homeowner, tried to communicate with the victim, who was still knocking on the locked door, Leydon said.
"When a pane of glass broke, the suspect fired a single shot, striking the victim," Leydon said.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/07/chicopee_shooting_leaves_15-ye.html
chillfactor
(7,574 posts)and a young boy is dead.....hope Lovell rots in prison.
KG
(28,751 posts)2A uber alles!
glennward
(989 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Remember, they were drinking.
He then calls cops to report an attempted break-in.
Then he hears the glass on his front door break.
Do you think he has a right to be a little scared?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)I don't think it's even appropriate to shoot to kill if they break in and make off with your TV. Why should you as a private citizen be able to inflict a punishment so much more severe than the law provides?
I hope this murderer goes to jail. That wasn't self-defense.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Flyboy_451
(230 posts)Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door. -Joe Biden 2013 interview in Field and Stream
Unfortunately, people say and do some really stupid stuff. When people in positions of authority say things like this, it makes the problem even worse. This is a perfect example of someone who many of us respect and even admire saying one of the most moronic things imaginable.
The long and the short of the matter is that people need to think before they speak, and most certainly BEFORE THEY ACT! We have become a nation of people that are ill informed about far too many things. We put more credence in "well, ____ told me that this was ok.", than we do in actually KNOWING something thru research and rational thought.
This guy deserves the murder charge, and it seems likely a conviction is appropriate. At the same time, the people that say things similar to what our VP has said, share the credit.
JW
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)you get to murder someone?
I guess things have really changed.
Anyone with a gun gets to commit murder with impunity because he might have been "a little scared".
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)scared, but not getting the respect they expect or authority questioned this seems to apply.
Also as with Trayvon, you can seek out the confrontation and be in the right to kill. It doesn't have to include a stance at your home, or any minor offense
Sad that although there are some outraged overwhelmingly most will side with the scared , offended and vigilantes
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... the threat and then used that as an excuse to murder.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)And I wonder how much of it is how they are trained these days. There appears to be zero intent toward deescalation, just a shoot to kill mentality...empty your gun into anyone you please, don't worry, you won't face more than a paid vacation.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)... then it starts to look like more than "a little scared". It starts to look like home invasion. It may even look like provocation.
If evidence shows that the glass was broken from the outside, by the kid, then I think a decent lawyer will get the case thrown out.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Someone getting loud and abusive at my son and his friends at a swimming pool.
Someone driving aggressively and nearly causing an accident.
An angry anti-choice hassler in front of the women's clinic where I escort.
Do I have a right to shoot any of them?
No. There has to be a limit on what is considered "reasonable" fear that justifies the use of deadly force, or everyone's "fear" becomes reasonable. Calling the 911 was the response needed.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)In our state, we have home break-ins. Two years ago, a woman in the next town was severely beaten in front of her kids and thrown down the basement stairs. The puke was convicted last month and will probably never get out of prison, after sentencing.
So yes. There are reasons to be afraid when someone is banging on your door and then breaking the storm door glass.
kcr
(15,315 posts)Because in this instance it turned out there wasn't actually a reason to be afraid. If he hadn't have panicked, no one would be dead. A drunk teenager barged into my home once, too and scared the shit out of me. She isn't dead. See how easy that was?
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)We killed hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan and Iraq because we were made afraid.....a smoking cloud and a mushroom gun...
50/50 he gets off
kcr
(15,315 posts)It's a reason why guns are a bad idea for self defense.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A reason... or merely an excuse.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)You see something dangerous--some guys breaking your door and shouting--you have to wonder what's going on. You don't know who they are and you don't have all the hindsight information we suffer from. (Yes, "suffer," because it's severely injuring any sense of perspective we might have. We know all this. Why didn't the guy with the gun?)
A couple of teenagers barged into the house of a woman a few blocks away from where I live. Surprised by seeing the woman in the house, when she yelled at them they shot her. They stole her tv and left. Weren't ever caught, and alarm services did a great business around here for a while.
We evaluate risk badly.
We tend to think we and ours are more important than others.
kcr
(15,315 posts)People knock on doors. People sneak back in after they've been out all night and they don't want to get in trouble with their parents. They cut across yards. They play the latest GPS phone app. They yell at people who startle them. That's the reason guns are horrible for self defense. They make innocent people fodder.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)far up it is useless as a window unless i am on the stairs. It is a strong oak door on an old house so not likely to break. it was 3 drunks, I know because they were toaking, I don't know where they thought they were, they were just thrown out of a high end restaurant on the end of the block (something I used successfully when they wanted to switch from a byob to have liquor license and others around tried to stop it), anyway here we are in a triple A residential neighborhood at 3 am. They didn't know me, they wanted to use my bathroom, I did not even open the door, I just called the police and let them know, they peed on my azaleas and got into a car (this is the real scary part). they were gone before the police arrived. Normally they are there in 1 minute since the police department is a block away, but the few police cars on duty were not near me. I sent them to hunt the drunks, I don't know if they caught them. Are front doors not built strongly anymore? At no time was I afraid they were going to break in, Perhaps it was the off key singing that made me feel safe.But i did get angry when they pissed on my plants.
Initech
(100,063 posts)Firing the gun and murdering the teenager trumps all the other events that led up to that point. There is no justification for murder one.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Detroit-area man gets 17 to 32 years for shooting visitor on porch
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-porch-killer-sentenced-20140903-story.html
No one may ever know why 19-year-old Renisha McBride knocked on the door of Theodore Wafers house in a Detroit suburb before dawn in November. But there is no dispute that Wafer, 55, afraid and groggy, shot McBride through his screen door, killing her, and then called 911.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)In Detroit, not Dearborn Heights as in the McBride shooting. The shooters, homeowners, were questioned and not charged. They waited for perpetrators to enter the house, not shooting through a door.
Since then, break-ins have decreased in my Detroit neighborhood to involving only acquaintances and family raiding people known to them.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Knocking on the wrong door drunk does not give one just cause to kill ... and yes Ms. McBride was intoxicated (as was the 15 year old in the OP)
Festivito
(13,452 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)Or told that to the cops to make it seem the boys were trying to break in?
Guess we'll find out from further investigation. Seems the door glass would have been shattered by a shot gun blast coming through it.
lostnfound
(16,173 posts)But regardless, these people firing blindly into a door without seeing what they are hitting end up shooting kids LIKE THIS 15 YEAR OLD or or shooting their own children, like this DEPUTY who was scared (http://www.your4state.com/news/news/father-shoots-teen-daughter-mistaken-for-intruder) or this man http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/father-shoots-son/
Or these three
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/12/24/3102541/father-shoots-kills-14-year-daughter-saying-mistook-burglar/
Or this one seven months ago in Florida
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3378935/Florida-woman-accidentally-shoots-kills-daughter-thinking-s-intruder.html
When I get scared, I hide, or I call someone, or I flew.
To a man with a hammer, all the world looks like a nail.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Some would fall on both sides, but this can be determined from the glass splatter.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)It is indeed a sad situation that a young man lost his life.
Given the facts as stated here, yes, I think the homeowner had a right to be a little scared.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)They'll find some way to justify it.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)Gunfondler logic.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)I'm glad they are charging that guy. It's murder.
They also need to start charging every time someone is shot through negligence.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Lord I hope I am wrong but just getting arrested doesn't mean he will be found guilty. Juries can be persuaded.
marybourg
(12,620 posts)have a wife and young children in the house. I doubt that any man would be convicted for protecting his family from what reasonably sounded to him like an attempt to break into his house where his young family was present.
If there is ever a legitimate place for a citizen to use deadly force it's in protection of one's own family in one's own home. The only question is: would a reasonable person in the same position have acted that way? And here I think, if the facts are what has been reported until now, the answer would be: yes.
loveandlight
(207 posts)This is what is wrong with this country right now. White people are so afraid. Seeing a black person standing around makes them afraid, no less being at their front door. The very fact of their fear then becomes a "reasonable" reason to shoot someone through a closed door instead of calling 911 or doing something actually reasonable. I am so sad to see that someone posting on a progressive board like this thinks it is reasonable. The times we live in are getting less and less reasonable.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I must have missed that in the article. I didn't see where it identified the race of the victim at all.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)tblue37
(65,328 posts)3:00 a.m., when suddenly I heard someone pounding very aggressively on my door. When I looked through the peephole, I saw what appeared to be a teenaged boy in a hoodie. Since I am a woman and I was living alone, I did not even consider opening the door to a stranger at that hour. Instead, I called the police and watched through the peephole to keep an eye on the person until they got there a few minutes later.
It turned out that the person was a teenaged girl, just wandering around in the ugly hours of the morning. Who knows why she thought it appropriate to pound on a stranger's door at 3:00 in the morning. When the cops came, I asked her why she did that--and whether something was wrong and she needed help--but no, she had seen that my light on and just figured she could come in and hang out.
Remember, I did not know her at all.
I wondered afterward whether maybe she was a runaway or maybe drunk or high and therefore not thinking clearly. I imagine that the police sorted it out.
But my point is that I was a woman living alone, so I would probably have had more reason to be afraid than most of these guys who blast people through their doors. Also, because my apartment was small, if someone had broken in I would have had no place to barricade myself to hide after calling the cops.
But besides the fact that I didn't have a gun, I would never have considered it appropriate to shoot through a closed door at someone.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)"Investigators found the victim and a friend were drinking alcohol at a nearby home. "