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Hillary Clinton -- "We are at war" (Original Post) philosslayer Jul 2016 OP
Well! That should shut up the neo cons? imanamerican63 Jul 2016 #1
You've got to be kidding! Please tell me we're not starting the War on Terror Part 2... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #19
We haven't really started anything... Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #21
I was being sarcastic! imanamerican63 Jul 2016 #29
No they keep whining because neither Obama nor Clinton dflprincess Jul 2016 #37
She just ran to the right of Trump on Fox News. n/t cigsandcoffee Jul 2016 #2
Has Obama called it radical jihadist? Legends303 Jul 2016 #3
tit for tat ad infinitum. Just as drawn up in the late 1970's AntiBank Jul 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #5
I don't consider telling the truth SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #7
It is no different than dubya saying war on terrorism. morningfog Jul 2016 #9
Are you denying that there is a war on terrorism? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #12
It is drastically different than saying "war on terror" SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #18
Exactly! No way Hillary said this. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #20
Tell me who we are at war with? kcjohn1 Jul 2016 #11
Radical Islamic jihadists SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2016 #13
Then are we at war with crazy lonely white man who commit mass shootings? kcjohn1 Jul 2016 #15
One lonely crazed white man is not the equivalent of a group of terrorists who SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #26
She's good at it. roamer65 Jul 2016 #8
Are we not at war? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #10
Hell no!!! No more stupid wars! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #22
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #6
The countdown continues and the time is getting shorter. nt pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #14
Oh, dear lord IgelJames4 Jul 2016 #16
The situation isn't going to get any better minus dismantling ISIS Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #23
Murdered where? Barack_America Jul 2016 #35
In that case, maybe someone in Congress should declare it. rug Jul 2016 #17
Until that happens - and I sure hope it doesn't - we are NOT at war with anybody. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #24
Funny you should say that... Maven Jul 2016 #25
Then he should be able to name a state to declare war on. rug Jul 2016 #28
As originally understood in the declare war clause, one could declare war against a group Vattel Jul 2016 #43
And? BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #27
She's not wrong alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #30
She also said, "It's a different kind of war." And that's true, too. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #40
Ahhh the Hawk rises! Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #31
So, where do we bomb? Barack_America Jul 2016 #32
My priority would be flamebait posters--but that's just me pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #34
no idea. I am not part of the 1% Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #36
What else can she say? yallerdawg Jul 2016 #33
She also said, "It's a different kind of war." Most people would agree. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #38
How dare she. Surely it's workplace violence, or something (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #39
She said that we are fighting a different kind of war Legends303 Jul 2016 #41
No shit Hillary. bdwker Jul 2016 #42
Are there middle-of-the-road jihadists? GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #44
 

Legends303

(481 posts)
3. Has Obama called it radical jihadist?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

Just curious I think she is trying her best not to say Islamic terrorism.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
4. tit for tat ad infinitum. Just as drawn up in the late 1970's
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

The petro-dollar uber alles, trillions in profit for the MIC, with added bonus of vastly reduced civil liberties for all. Don't forget the double extra bonus of right wing fascist governments sweeping to power soon in the EU and quite possibly the US.

Response to philosslayer (Original post)

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
12. Are you denying that there is a war on terrorism?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jul 2016

Of course there is, and we've been fighting it for nearly 15 years now.

I see nothing wrong with speaking the truth...unconventional warfare is still warfare.

 

SkeleTim1968

(83 posts)
18. It is drastically different than saying "war on terror"
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jul 2016

The U.S. created ISIS, created the refugee crisis. ISIS is literally sweeping Iraq, Lybia Yemen and Syria and killing or enslaving all in their path. America brought this down on these innocent people.
For America to suddenly wash our hands of any responsibility in stopping this terrorist group ( a tangible, not a concept as the "war on terror" is) is immoral. It is most definitely a war.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
15. Then are we at war with crazy lonely white man who commit mass shootings?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

I use this comparison not as way of conflating the two, but to illustrate how difficult the task is. If this was Islamic radicals, most likely it as cell of one or two family/closely related individuals who acted in isolation. Approaching it like a war is self defeating process and makes the situation worse.

 

SkeleTim1968

(83 posts)
26. One lonely crazed white man is not the equivalent of a group of terrorists who
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:03 PM
Jul 2016

are recruiting radicals for the purposes of killing anyone who is not Islamic as they interpret the Quran. Who are enslaving young girls and women. Who are heavily armed and trained because they are made up of former Ba'athists from the defunct Iraqi army and former leaders of the Republican guard.


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IgelJames4

(50 posts)
16. Oh, dear lord
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jul 2016

This doesn't look good. Frankly, more war will only exacerbate this situation. Cooler heads must prevail.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
23. The situation isn't going to get any better minus dismantling ISIS
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jul 2016

and then whatever comes next. The status quo of 100's of people being murdered every month is not sustainable.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
35. Murdered where?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jul 2016

Europe by jihadists? Middle East by those at "war" with jihadists? United States by gun violence?

All of the above? None of the above? A and C, but not B?

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
43. As originally understood in the declare war clause, one could declare war against a group
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jul 2016

other than a state.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
33. What else can she say?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jul 2016

We have international forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, flying over multiple nations all over the Middle East, drone strikes just about anywhere with no respect for borders.

Who are we targeting?

Radical jihadists. Who are 'practicing' a radical extremist death-cult version of Islam they are picking up from manipulative crazies (like bin Laden) or crazed websites (like everywhere on the internet!).

Do we call all homophobes "radical fundamentalist Christians" because Westboro Baptist Church practices homophobia?

 

Legends303

(481 posts)
41. She said that we are fighting a different kind of war
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jul 2016

which I agree but which she means that it can't be a just a military solution war.

This enemy that we fight called ISIL uses social media to recruit and actively plan attacks on the West.

We also need to start using more forceful words when describing the enemy, not radical Islam like the right does

to demonize Muslims. We should not use words such as a "jv team" or "workplace violence" because we know what type of enemy
this is and being nice to them will not make them go away.

 

bdwker

(435 posts)
42. No shit Hillary.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

I guess " Liberté, égalité, fraternité " is becoming "Death to the infidels".

I pity France... They never knew what was happening.

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