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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow many here have had gun violence affect their lives?
Note: this includes any type of rifle.
Even in a small midwestern town my life has been greatly affected by guns.
If I were a betting person, I would bet that 80% or more Americans have been personally affected by gun violence.
The first incident was at age 12 when my best friend's father was murdered when I was staying overnight. Since then there has been a dozen or so incidents that involved friends, relatives or friends of my kids plus incidents of threats that were very real.
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I have been involved in gun violence | |
12 (19%) |
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My immediate family has been involves in gun violence | |
13 (20%) |
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My extended family has been involved in gun violence | |
11 (17%) |
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Close friends have been involved in gun violence | |
8 (13%) |
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neighbors have been involved in gun violence | |
1 (2%) |
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other | |
2 (3%) |
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Fortunately, neither I nor family or friends have been involved in gun violence | |
17 (27%) |
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add on - my workplace has been involved in gun violence while I was employed there | |
0 (0%) |
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ffr
(22,676 posts)A short range, limited ammo type device, that may only injure. I only have bird shot. Not a lot that powdery stuff can do. Can't go through drywall even. Might blind someone if I shot an intruder in the face.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)will correct in OP
Javaman
(62,534 posts)I live in a major metropolitan city in a nation that has no tigers except in zoos, but I am afraid of tigers, so I buy this magic rock that wards off tiger attacks.
so far, I have never been attacked by tigers.
The rock works!
just having weapons doesn't stop you from witnessing, being part of or being a victim of gun violence.
and before you start arguing with me, here is a google page with literally dozens of links to prove my point.
Many of which are from very accredited studies.
I'm not here to start and email war, but your claim had to be refuted with facts.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=increased%20chance%20of%20violence%20with%20owning%20a%20gun
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Maybe the blast accompanying the chips flying out with the muzzle inches from the drywall surface, but I'd never want to get that close. 12-gauge Winchester. At the short distances we tried it just makes a mess of the drywall surface without penetrating through. My pellet 0.177 air rifle has more penetrating power by far, but it's hardly a self defense weapon...it's a single pellet single break.
Go see for yourself. 7 1/2 birdshot is only good for birds or skeet shooting. Mostly worthless otherwise.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)Magical thinking!
a healthy dose of paranoia + plus a gun + magical thinking = full coverage life insurance.
LOL
ffr
(22,676 posts)See above...or below. whoops.
ffr
(22,676 posts)Penultimate option: Fortunately, neither I nor family or friends have been involved in gun violence
So no violence, none. Thankfully.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Quite frankly, I think the House is making a colossal mistake here.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in each case (well, all but a few) the/a universal background check would have prevented the gun used from being used.
CountAllVotes
(20,879 posts)1. One (1) suicide (age 7 years)
2. Three (3) murders (one age 18 years; other two later in life)
3. One (1) accident (age 11 years ... done it for me)
Total = Five so far
Sickening, all of them.
All but one were close friends/associates.
TacoD
(581 posts)ladyVet
(1,587 posts)I've lost family, friends, classmates, neighbors to gun-related incidences. There have been some close calls, where death or injury did not occur, but could have. I've had two relatives go to prison for being involved in shootings.
The first incident was when I was still in elementary school. A neighbor and classmate lost her younger sister when the girl was at another neighbor's house and her friend was showing off her father's gun. She had climbed into a closet, where the family thought the gun was secure, and it accidentally fired (not sure how it happened, but probably because the girl had her finger inside the guard). This was long before gun locks and the sheer number of reported gun incidents (early 1960s).
Oddly enough, I've lost more people to alcoholism and cancer than to gun violence.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)I am with you in the 'all of the above' category.
JustAnotherGen
(32,000 posts)A few months before he was to head to American U for Law School. He would have been another Cory Booker. The flawless golden boy (no saracsm) was held responsible for his own random murder on the initial police report as NHI. The person who rolled on his other drug dealing gang banger buddies was shot in the head in 1995. Justice? I don't know.
GoldenSF
(27 posts)My mother was held up in her small business. A team of robbers attacked her and the adjacent jewelry store. Fortunately, she came out physically unscathed but remains mentally scarred to this day. I would be terrified too if a gun were pointed at my heart too. She was only in her early 40s at the time. I was still young at the time, and had I lost her I would have never known what an incredible person she actually is.
11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)Because other than that, I've been lucky.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)unfortunately gun violence is part of being in the service.
I suspect police type jobs would also not be included. But gun violence could happen off duty.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)in his office by someone who lost a promotion and blamed it on him.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... my cousins husband was murdered at work during a robbery .... also, a co-worker (left my place of employment) and was killed by her new employer.
Additionally, a geologist in my field (a very small field/ most of us are loosely aquainted) was the infamous I-96 shooter
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)I had a 2nd cousin accidentally shot and killed, while hunting, by another hunter.
I knew 3 different guys who shot and killed another guy, over a woman, one killing the woman also. Two of the guys, including the one who also killed the lady, then killed themselves.
Besides the two murder/suicides, two others who merely shot and killed themselves.
A pretty good friend, who when we were 17, disappeared and was found a few months later, deep in some woods, near a city some 60 miles away with a fatal gunshot to the head. Had been dead long enough he was only identifiable by dental records.
Another pretty good friend, who also when we were 17, that lived out in the country with his parents, shot himself through the knee while practicing his quick draw. Then some 2-3 weeks later, when he could stand and walk again, did exactly the same thing a second time. Same knee.
A former father in law, who decided to clean his handgun, while drinking, as the story went, had the gun go off, luckily only shooting a hole in his living room wall.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Several friends were killed in Vietnam.
Several suicides involving guns when I was an Employee assistance counselor involving guns.
No neighbors that I know of.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Where do I fit on your scale?
Or would my attacker be the "victim" of gun violence here?
rurallib
(62,477 posts)affected by gun violence. This is hardly a scientific survey so choose or not choose accordingly
I've stopped knife assaults without a gun.
Piss on guns.
Turin_C3PO
(14,119 posts)you can disarm people easily. Some people can't. My dad was attacked in a burlary with a knife and had to shoot the guy dead to stop him. Terrible incident all around. My dad felt horrible but felt he had to do it.
I don't know what I, personally, would have to do. It would probably depend on the strength and/or aggressiveness of the assailant.
hunter
(38,340 posts)... every problem looks like it can be solved with a bullet.
Once the guns come out everything is FUBAR.
Turin_C3PO
(14,119 posts)was in a similar situation once.
Iggo
(47,586 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)(I was not there when this happened, I heard about it the next day) a friend of mine, whose dad was a cop, was "showing" another friend his dads gun when it went off killing the other kid.
another time, when I was living in a studio apartment in Burbank, CA, some gang members running down the alley outside my ground floor apt, opened fire on another gang member right outside my window. It was dark, I had my lights off and dove onto the floor. Loud as hell, muzzle flashes. They emptied the clip. I heard the click when it ran out. They tried peeking into my window to see if anyone was in my place, but I was already under my bed.
yet another time, it was my first New Years in Los Angeles. I was living in an apt with two roommates in North Hollywood. (it was a really crappy area back then). All week long I saw PSA's on the TV for people not to shoot their guns in the air on New Years. I asked my roommate if this was true? (He lived in L.A. for many years). "Oh yes, absolutely" he replied. So on New Years, I was broke, didn't know anyone and my roommates were home for the holidays. As soon as the New Year hit, my neighborhood erupted in gun fire. It was like Beruit (to use an old phrase). We were on the second floor of a two story complex. I heard rounds hitting the roof. I was crawling across my floor and peeked out my back windows, only to witness some morons shooting machine guns and pistols in the air from the parking lot of the apt complex behind us. The next morning, in the courtyard of my apt building, there were spend casings everywhere. t
salin
(48,955 posts)Several students were killed by gun violence. At least two parents of my students were killed by gun violence, and two former students committed gun violence. Another student, as a child, witnessed the murder (by gun) of her mother.
This past April in another midwestern city, there were 3 murders (by guns) within a 2 block radius of the school - one led to a lock down of the school as it was during the school day.
Not sure how to vote - a gun hasn't been pulled on my, but gun violence has touched my professional life (and my life) too many times to count.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)not a scientific survey.
I was curious since my life has had about a dozen gun incidents and I live in what is often considered a very low crime rate area.
My guess is that many answering this poll could check multiple boxes and multiple times.
salin
(48,955 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I've have several friends commit suicide, I don't know if that counts.
I've had one friend "accidently" kill his wife.
One friend that murdered his wife.
One friend murdered.
Other than that no real instances of gun violence.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)you didn't have to be a participant.
One point I didn't express is that for every victim whether they die or not, there are tens, possibly hundreds of friends and family who are affected. Effects can be a change in life style to having to quit work to care for a victim. Plus there is always the memories.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)He thought I was an intruder. I looked behind me to see if my brains were splattered on the wall.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)mercuryblues
(14,552 posts)aunt was shot in the neck, by her ex husband. He almost hit her carotid artery. Luckily she survived. He was shot and killed a few years after he was released from prison. Close family friend's daughter, soon to be ex took their 4 year old kid, drove down the end of a dirt road, killed him and then shot himself. They weren't found for a few days.
Orrex
(63,260 posts)Would an accidental shooting qualify? How about a suicide? Or threatening with a gun but not firing it?
rurallib
(62,477 posts)accidental shooting is a shooting
Suicide of a friend or family member surely affects those left behind often wondering what they could have done to have intervened or if it was their fault. When U had to tell my FIL his brother committed suicide I felt like I was killing my FIL.
A threat with a gun is a brush with death, or a brush with death for whatever family or friend was threatened.
What I was simply trying to illustrate is that gun violence is so pervasive in our society that a majority of our citizens have been affected by gun violence - accidental or on purpose - to themselves or someone close enough to them that it affected their lives.
As I said before, I have seen many family and friends affected by guns and each incidence has left a mental scar.
Orrex
(63,260 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Father in law suicide, Mother in law murdered, uncle a murderer (not the same incident as mother in law) but in each case guns were simply effective tools. Financial pressure over many years drove suicide, murder 1 was a stranger abduction and they rarely survive regardless of means, and murder 2 was a planned spousal insurance fraud. None of them cases, which of course do exist, where the immediate availability of a gun made possible violence which was otherwise out of reach.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)We live in a pretty peaceful little town.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)My ex and I were dumb enough to hitchhike across the country. It's the best way to realize how many truly nice and also truly nuts people there are in the world. The internet isn't called the information superhighway for nothing.
Long story short, we fell asleep, he drove us into the desert and demanded sex at the point of a 357, after a bit I convince him that he'd destroy the inside of his truck if he blew me all over it, we then refused to get out til he took us to a public place, and when we told the state patrol they shrugged and let us know it was our fault for being young and hippie-ish.
So yeah, I hated guns before that, and even more after.
Didn't do much for my opinion of the state patrol either.
Father, suicide. Background check didn't stop him, waiting period didn't stop him. As far as we know, he bought the gun for the purpose of suicide. Even banning semi-automatics wouldn't have stopped him. Single shot.
A couple of friends' father when I was a teen. He used a shotgun. Bolt action. He'd been a hunter for years, the gun had been in the family for a long time. Nothing suggested except going in an confiscating all firearms would have stopped this.
Kid at school. Family says accident, rumor said suicide. It was his father's. Don't know if it was semi-automatic or revolver. It matters not. One shot and the kid was dead. The gun had been legally purchased years before; the parents were surprised the kid knew where it was.
However ...
My mother was delusional and suffering from dementia. She made my father's life hell. He killed himself a week after getting the confirmation from the doctor. There were no support services for him, and from what he said the nurse that saw him was blunt and said his life would be hell. My father couldn't do the court thing to get her help, and himself help. But he left all the information he had to help me do it in the drawer in my parents' guest room, where I couldn't miss it When I filed for custody of my mother upon seeing the court application pulled a knife on me. I slept with the door locked and barricaded that night, and left the next morning before she got up. What she said seemed to imply that I was like my father and deserved the same. (She was ecstatic at his death. She all but admitted she'd threatened him with a knife.) Because she was delusional, when she said he had a gun nobody believed her. She also said he had a number of girlfriends, had never lived in their house, that the house had been built by her mother (and not in 1996), and that she'd commuted between Phoenix to Baltimore for work 5 days a week by plane starting in the 1950s.
My friends' father had lost his job. De-industrialization finally got to have men with 20 years' seniority laid off. They were behind in their mortgage. The mother had gotten a low-paying job in order to feed them. He gave up after suffering from depression for a while.
The kid at school had a folder. He was not stable, and while his family wasn't poor they really tried to put the best spin on things. For various reasons, the rumor seems more likely than the "accident" scenario. Even if it was an accident, it's likely the kid didn't just get out the gun to say "ooh". He was left unsupervised, and probably needed more interventions than required for merely getting accommodations at school so he could have an easier time passing.
What are the commonalities here?
All were suicides. All three were "middle class", all were white. All required just a single round, whether a slug or shot. all had some serious psychological issues to work through or get help with no way of getting help--sometimes it was a cultural barrier, sometimes financial, sometimes parental, sometimes simply not knowing the system. My father would have killed himself some other way, as would the twins' father. Men when they try to kill themselves tend to be serious and succeed fairly often. The kid probably is the most likely to still be alive in the absence of a gun, but he'd still have needed intervention.
Hi-mag limits reduce fat-tailed risks, but would make a just a dent in the death toll. Suicide does not require a 30-round clip.
Banning semi-automatic weapons wouldn't do too incredibly much for the suicide rate, which is more of a white than a black thing (yes, there's are a bunch of racial skews and some geographical ones in the gun-related death toll numbers--whites, esp. men, are more likely to die from suicide than blacks). Some countries in Europe with very harsh gun restrictions have higher suicide rates than in the US; some have lower. Anything more is probably just playing that ol' drinking game called "begging the question."
Banning big bad scary looking guns satisfy those into form over function, for those who see social reality as the ultimate reality, and lets them think they're doing something by imposing restrictions on others.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)but may have slowed or stopped other incidents across the country. We should at least try to get a handle on a problem rather than just say nothing will work.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Took a pass...
rurallib
(62,477 posts)it is an internet poll - there will be no news stories about this
Sure would like to see a scientific survey like this though.
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)A guy who was mostly just an acquaintance from a tavern, way back in my drinking days, who was the lead suspect in a brutal rape/ strangulation murder, but was never charged. His wife, who was in the Air Force at the time, divorced him over it and got transferred to Nellis AFB, near Las Vegas.
The guy followed her out there. Months later he was found dead by multiple gun shots in a ditch on a perimeter road just outside the base.
Failrly good chance some others have slipped my mind, over time.
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)and three friends and a family member to speeders.
I think we should have universal background checks for firearms, and fines of $100 for every MPH over the speed limit.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)at the tender age of 15. He was 19.
His daddy had bought him the gun, of course. Also; he found Jesus in between the time he murdered my friend and his trial, so he only served two years for killing her like an animal.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)very belatedly sorry for your loss and sympathy to her family.
This hits so many hot buttons with me.
Maru Kitteh
(28,344 posts)My last memory of her is in the ICU, The visible parts of her face stained in shades of blue, maroon and black by the violence done to her. Bright blond hair against her blue hospital gown. Vent tube down her throat and the sound of the machine causing her chest to rise and fall.
The looks on her family's faces.
niyad
(113,773 posts)survived), and another friend's son was killed.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I have been threatened with gun violence; a threat that wasn't followed through with.
I have witnessed one stranger shooting at another in the street in front of my house, back when I lived in town. I think they were warning shots; nothing was hit. The target drove away.
A neighbor shot out the tire of a car on my road, in the midst of a child abduction. The child was recovered when the car pulled over to change the tire a couple of miles further on.
I have experienced violence directly; just not gun violence.
Edited to add: I can't believe I forgot this, even momentarily. 41 years ago, my half brother was killed with a gun. 1975. I hadn't seen him, nor spoke with him, since '67, when I was still very young. We weren't raised together, and I didn't know him well.
I guess I know how to answer, after all.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)had a few of those and they did get my attention and cause some precautions.
A shot in front of your house? I would say yes because a stray bullet could have injured or killed you or a family member.
My first incident with a gun was some nearly 55 years ago and it still pops into my head several times a month. Those incidents were scary.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)a drunken ex with a loaded shot gun explaining that I would not be allowed to leave him and live.
I didn't leave then. I left when it was safe to do so.
I'm a strong proponent of rigorously enforced, strict gun control.
I don't want anything to do with guns myself; I never have.
I've known plenty of gun owners; most are responsible. I live rurally, where everyone, including my students, own and shoot guns.
I truly understand that the real threat is the human behind the gun; that the gun is a tool. I get that.
I also get that the gun is deadly enough to make an error, a second of inattention or impulse, deadly and simply too late to recover from. I also know that there are simply too many fucked up people to assume that everyone is going to be responsible.
Guns. Few, far between, and rarely brought out of lock-up. That's my take.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)I'd count it in the family section.
When someone says something to the effect "I will kill you" no matter how joking it may sound, it is a reason to be fearful.
I am pretty much down the line on your gun feelings.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)yellerpup
(12,254 posts)Although, we were divorced for over a year when he was shot and died in Houston. 1981, I think. 20/20 was in Houston filming a segment on trauma centers. When the back door of the ambulance flew open, I recognized him by his feet. He was shot in the neck.
thucythucy
(8,109 posts)by a "hunter" who mistook him for a deer.
Her mother was fired upon by another hunter who was teaching his kid how to shoot. His excuse for firing over a road and at a house (nearly hitting my MIL who was out in her garden)? "I didn't know it was loaded."
A friend of mine was shot and killed during a mugging.
MadCrow
(155 posts)I lived in a small rural town that could be described as a wide spot in the road.
My next door neighbor ( my son-in-law's sister) was shot and killed by her ex-husband. He was a former small town city policeman.
The teen-age boy across the street committed suicide with a gun.
My 56 year old son who has a history of mental problems was arrested for brandishing a weapon. Luckily he didn't shoot anybody. The first time he did this he was put under house arrest and forced to wear a bracelet around his foot for six months so he could be monitored. I had several guns in my home, so I gave them all to my other son to keep under lock and key. We told my son he could not have any more weapons. Unbeknownst to us, he went about a mile down the road and purchased a 357 Magnum from a so-called friend. Armed with this gun, he went after the same individual again and threatened him. He shot into the air and luckily again no one was injured. He was arrested, deemed mentally unfit to stand trial and after spending six months in the regional jail, was finally sent to a state facility for a full mental evaluation. He was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and after being on prescribed medication for six months was released. He was supposed to go to a local clinic for follow-up appointments which he did for a while. All they did was hand him a new prescription for medication and send him on his way. After a few months he quit taking his medication and although he is delusional and rants and raves, there is no way I can force him to take his medicine or go to the clinic because he is an adult. My only option is to call the law and have him arrested. But since he has committed no crime, he will be evaluated again, probably given new medication and released within 2 weeks. I am afraid to let him out of my sight because getting a gun around is easy; everybody I know has several. I don't know what to do. I am at my wits end.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,232 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)When I was 5 my Godfather whom I am named after shot hisself with shotgun/ suicide
When I was 7 my brothers best friend did same
When I was 10 our neighbor shot his wife's lover to death in our driveway/ murder
When I was 12 my best friends brother was shot and paralyzed playing with handgun/ accident
When I was 14 my cousin was shot in face and blinded in hunting accident
This past year a kid I coached in football was shot and killed in a drug deal ripoff age 19
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Picked it up after work, came back to the office and killed herself in the ladies shower. My friend discovered the body the next morning.
Edit to add: my wife's brother was shot and killed several years before we met. Drug deal gone wrong. He was not the intended target, apparently.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)that i have no clear recollection of one incident. when my father became unable to use physical violence against me, he resorted to pulling guns on me. lots of times. by the time of his death, it was almost a monthly occurrence. he would also threaten my mother (who slept with a knife under her bed for 50 years in fear of him), my children and my brother and his family. So bad it was, my brother moved to Montana to get away from him.
we, the family, would take guns away from him, but the next week he would have more. over and over again. he refused diagnosis, so there was nothing we could do (we tried by going to court twice). He would buy guns legally and illegally. you name it.
then i had an incident where two black youths tried to rob a dope deal in my house. my stepson's deal. i just happened to be home at the time. life changing all the way around. guy put a gun to my face and told me I was dead. that gun misfired and I lived. Two white dop dealers chased the guy and fired 28 shots. None were arrested, except the black youth. I was made a racist on the witness stand by the attorney and the guy got off. He then sued me for two million dollars.
yeah life changing. The black youths had illegal guns, the white guys legal guns.
That happened years ago and I still have horrible horrible dreams about it.
one thing i know for sure in all of this is: had I hd a gun, it would have ONLY MADE THINGS WORSE. I would ahve killed my father surely, and I would not have any chance at all to do anything in the shootout unless that gun was strapped to my side, cocked and loaded. And then had I killed someone I could never have lived with that.
jon31433
(2 posts)My brother and girlfriend shot in his bed. Two friends committed suicide. Three friends shot in separate drive by shootings and I have been shot at. I have also seen numerous incidents of gun violence and accidental gun related deaths. There are too many statements out there supporting gun ownership that appeal to the lazy thinker.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The good: Dad shot a rattlesnake that was creeping up on the porch when I was a kid and we lived in Tuscon.
Wild hog that went apeshit during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina
The ugly: Thieves attempted to steal my mom's car right out of the driveway. She tried to drag him out of the car and he shot at her. Terrified, I hung out of the window as I watched this happen, screaming. The guy from the car in the street shot at me. Dad opened the front door and was shot at.
Missed me and my father. I ran downstairs while my father was on the phone with 911. He told me not to go outside, but there was no way in hell I was leaving my mother out there. I had an absolute stone in my heart walking out the door, not knowing what I would find.
The garage door was caved in, my car and my dad's car were hit, mom's car was gone. Plastic and parts littered the driveway.
Mom popped up from behind the bushes on the side of the house. Her knees were scraped, but she was otherwise unharmed. She saw him raise the gun and ducked, getting behind the house after he hit her with the door to get the gun in her face.
Obviously, with the commotion of all three of us (none of us were hit) they took their chances to flee.
The sad: I knew a coworker that killed himself with a gun. He had a lot of promise, but I guess he didn't see it.
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So there you have it.
Guess I need a "many of the above".
hunter
(38,340 posts)I'm not too far off from that myself, though - protection of property and loved ones ... well, not something you want to confront. I don't want you to. I make that very clear right out of the gate.
Persistence is futile.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Two acquaintances were shot by others (one died a few months later). My brother and I came across a pregnant woman who had been shot while walking back to our car leaving a festival. Heard the gunshot when a neighbor was killed by her ex. Had a cop point a gun at me when I was 7. And at one time I could stand a few feet outside my door at work and point at 5 different places where either people were shot or bodies were found.
Guns suck.
rurallib
(62,477 posts)I am sure we are only scratching the surface but some of these stories are heartbreaking and scary.
I am leaving for a while but I would sure welcome more votes and stories.
Squinch
(51,075 posts)also by a stranger. Once came upon the aftermath of a shooting scene between police after they had caught the guy and tossed him over the car in front of me to cuff him.