I was able to buy an AR-15 in five minutes

[tenderfoot]

Two days after the worst mass shooting in American history, and my local gun shop in Virginia showed no hesitation in selling me an AR-15.

In fact, they really wanted me to buy it. And I was only there for five minutes.

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As I was watching CNN Tuesday morning, I thought it was crazy how the first thing society jumps to after such a tragic event was gun rights. I began to think of how much my hometown loves the Second Amendment, and I wondered exactly how hard it would be for me to walk up and buy a gun. Well, I didn’t have anything better to do, so I got in my car and did exactly that.

I walked into the store and told them I was interested in something for home protection and target practice. The woman behind the counter smiled and asked, “Rifle or shotgun?”

more: https://thetab.com/us/2016/06/14/i-was-able-to-buy-an-ar-15-in-five-minutes-19833

[Agschmid]

1. FYI.

I didn't buy a gun today.

I enjoyed my time in an overwhelmingly gay community, spent some time on the beach, went to a tea dance, and just got back from dinner.

But nope, I didn't buy a gun.

Not sure why we need these types of weapons at all, oh wait, we don't.

[rug]

3. +1

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

4. I got stuck in a huge traffic jam today

it took about 40 min to go a mile, before the jam cleared. Four lanes going in one direction, drivers changing lanes hoping for a faster way through. I didn't see anyone point a gun (or a fist) at anyone else, didn't hear any horns honking. Slow, but peaceful.

No guns needed. Just patience and courtesy.

[Agschmid]

7. Yup.

#NoGunsNeeded

[sarisataka]

24. FYI

the author of the article didn't buy a gun either.

[Agschmid]

26. I'm well aware.

It amazing how enjoyable your life can be gun free

We should all try it.

[sarisataka]

28. I've been gun free all day

since my travels took me to many government buildings where I am not permitted to carry. It was actually less enjoyable than most days but that was due to dealing with bureaucracy, not anything gun related.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

2. Five minutes is very fast.

Filling out the form probably takes most of that time. Then the time for the sales clerk to read the form's information to the NICS processing clerk.
But, the clerk seemed extraordinarily careful, demanding a vehicle registration in addition to photo I.D.

One more legitimate sale. Next, we'll hear how easy it is for this individual to join the NRA.

[PoliticAverse]

5. According to the article, he didn't actually complete the purchase...

After he walked me through the paperwork, all five pages of it, I told him I changed my mind and wanted to think more before I bought an AR-15. He told me it wasn’t a problem and listed the store hours if I wanted to come back. I then said thank you and walked back to my car.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. I missed that little detail. So the headline is a bit misleading.

And, his expired identification never really passed any test. I don't know if the expiration date of a driver license is relevant or if the NICS clerk requires that bit of info. It still identifies an individual, it just means he shouldn't be driving.

[Recursion]

14. I think it's like how an expired passport works for your tax paperwork

They just need some way to verify you are who you say you are. Sure wish that worked for voting in red states...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

34. I returned to the U.S with an expired passport.

Barely expired. The agent gave me a look that said "dummy". I hope I'm paying more attention next time the expiration date draws near.

[Recursion]

35. Even weirder is that valid visas on an expired passport are still valid

I travel enough that this is something I'm pretty familiar with, and in fact for Sri Lanka I have to present my current passport (which is valid) as well as my expired passport (which has a valid visa for Sri Lanka).

[Travis_0004]

8. He also states no background check

Of course there was no background check. You walked out (without buying anything) before the background check could be processed.

[Brickbat]

9. These articles highlighting good customer service are so weird to me.

[sarisataka]

10. Flag on the article

[NightWatcher]

11. So the clerk shouldn't try to sell a customer an item he carries in store?

You can walk into a gun store and provided it's not crowded, decide to buy a gun in a minute. The paperwork takes a few minutes most times, then there's paying for the item.

Gun store clerks aren't counsellors or anything other than a sales clerk.

[linuxman]

12. "It took 5 minutes for someone to hand me the forms,

which I never filled out, the NICS call was never placed, and I never actually bought jack shit!"

Cool story, bro.

The part about "They never even did a background check!" was a nice touch. No shit, Sherlock. You never filled out the form. Glad he decided to pass on it. Far too dumb to be trusted with a firearm.

[Straw Man]

13. More than misleading -- outright dishonest.

The headine is I was able to buy an AR-15 in five minutes

If you read the article, he didn't actually buy a gun.

He says this:

No delay. No extensive background check. Just my recently expired driver’s license, my vehicle registration, and filling out some paperwork.

He didn't have a background check because he didn't actually buy a gun. The clerk gave him the 4473 to fill out, but then the kid backed out of the sale.

The ID is to prove that he is who he says he is. The clerk didn't notice the expiration, but it was a photo ID with corroborating documentation -- his registration.

Seconds. It took seconds for the salesman to take an AR-15 off the shelf and begin selling it to me. If I had stayed for maybe three minutes longer to fill out less paperwork than I did for the hiring process at my school’s bookstore, I would’ve driven home with an AR-15.

Right. It took seconds to take the AR off the shelf. They're not that heavy. What does "begin selling it to me" mean? It only takes seconds to "begin" doing anything, even walking around the world backwards on your hands. And his "maybe three minutes longer" is pure speculation because he didn't actually buy a gun.

But if a 20-year-old college student can walk into a gun shop and be out in minutes with an AR-15, and you believe nothing needs to be changed, you need help.

Except he was not "out in minutes with an AR-15," because he didn't actually buy a gun. He may have walked out with it in five minutes, or ten, or fifteen, or he may have failed the check and not walked out with it at all. We'll never know because he didn't actually buy a gun.

The rifle is legal. Presumably this kid has a clean record. Why are people obsessed with how long it takes to buy a gun? Would they be happier if the NICS system were less efficient? Actually, in his case, the speed of the NICS systems isn't a factor: he didn't have a NICS check because he didn't actually buy a gun.

I hope this kid isn't a journalism major, but I have a sinking feeling that he might be.

[linuxman]

17. "Would they be happier if the NICS system were less efficient?"

Are you kidding me? Read some of the awesome suggestions the controllers throw out.

"It should be onerous and difficult! Each gun needs a separate visit to the shrink for the buyer, its own insurance policy, 10 year waiting period, can't be taken out on Sundays, NICS should deny you for parking tickets, bullets should require a mortgage and you'd be limited to 1, unless you hunt, then three, the gun store should only be open from noon to 1 on Wednesday, and the NICS hotline only from 2-3 on Thursday!", or some such.

For some, it's all about denial of rights through hoop-jumping. These folks probably salivate at the idea of 3 kinds of ID voting requirements and literacy tests.

Denial through inconvenience is one of the oldest and dearest controller fantasies.

[ileus]

15. I need a 300 win mag, have enough ARs already.

Actually the 300 is for my 11yo son, his BD is coming up.

[Logical]

27. FFS, why post this?? Who gives a shit? Nt

[Heeeeers Johnny]

16. If he's that knowledgeable, aware and intelligent...

why didn't he renew his DL when he obviously knew it had expired?

Yeah... it's not a criminal act or big issue, but at least pull your head out of your ass and take the time to
renew your DL before you set about your crusade.

[Recursion]

18. Can you edit the title, since he *wasn't* able to buy an AR-15 in 5 minutes?

They didn't go through the background check (the part that can take a while) because he decided not to buy it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

37. To be fair, that IS the title of the linked article.

So it's an accurate quote of an inaccurate headline.

[pintobean]

38. So what?

Bullshit is bullshit. Spreading it just increases the stink.

[Recursion]

39. OK, but it's an uneqiovocal lie, and that's only a rule in LBN

I mean, the actual article is specifically the opposite of what the headline claims.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

41. Rule? There ARE NO RULES!!!11!

Well, "rules" have been delayed until 6/20.

Peace.



I mowed my lawn in two minutes today. It took me that long to figure that it's too hot, and it's not going to rain, so the grass won't grow, so the mowing can wait until the weather cools down next week. Mission accomplished.

[Recursion]

42. It's the monsoon here

I'll cut the grass in September...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

44. Perhaps just add [bullshit] at the end of the title??? n/t

[Elmergantry]

19. Sounds like good customer service.

Props to the shop!

[jmg257]

20. He should shop at Gander Mountain - they take forever.

Nice gun porn though.

[Straw Man]

21. Wal-Mart is worse.

They make a manager come and oversee the process. The last time I bought a gun at Wal-Mart, they paged the guy and he didn't even show up for half an hour. Then he insisted on putting a trigger lock on the gun (a CZ .22 rifle) even though the bolt wasn't installed. The guy couldn't get it right -- he was looking like he was going to scratch my new rifle, so I had to put the trigger lock on myself. Then there was the "walk of shame," where you follow the manager as he carries your gun out of the store and hands it to you in the parking lot. I've always wondered why they do that.

I'm no longer willing to put up with that just to get a cheaper price.

[catnhatnh]

23. Fuck it-if the truth gets a hide I'll take one too...

The hide above me called the OP a lie-which it is. It is titled "I was able to buy an AR15 in 5 minutes" which in fact he did not and could not have done-he had in fact been in the store longer then that and left without making any purchase. Duckhunter was right-this place is a kangaroo court and his jury was packed with kangaroos. Fuck it-hide me...

[pintobean]

36. It's DU

It can be frustrating as hell, but it's been happening forever.

[jmg257]

25. "The shotguns they had in stock honestly looked pretty cool " Too bad about his small penis.

Poor kid.

[flying rabbit]

32. What does his penis size have to do with it? nt

[pintobean]

40. Some people are just obsessed over the size

of other people's penises. I don't know why.

[aikoaiko]

29. Even if it were true, which it isn't, what's the problem?

If he is not a prohibited person and didn't present any red flags, I'm fine with an expeditious sale.

What should the sales person due? Talk to him about the weather for 15 minutes? 30? 60?

Talk about religion? Talk about his sexual orientation? Talk about his racial heritage? Talk about his politics?

What the hell do anti-gunners want of a sale of a long gun to a person who isn't prohibited from buying one?

[jmg257]

31. Didn't you read the article? They want you to shop at stores that DON'T

Really want you to buy what they sell.

That makes things take longer...a lot longer.

[Travis_0004]

30. I went to get a CDL today and they never made me take an exam!

Something needs to change. Does the DMV have any clue what they are doing?

*I walked out before he could administer the exam. The person just told me to have a nice day and did not give me a liscense. Apparently he should have tackled me, tied me to the seat and forced me to take the test.

[Just reading posts]

33. This headline is as inaccurate as it is possible to be. Please correct it.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

43. Obviously there should be a law....

...that it take 6 minutes, 6 days or insert your own number.