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Probably nowhere near as bad as the CIA deleting files related to torture or Hillary - which is so bad that she should be given the death penalty!
Clinton has said she deleted about 50,000 emails that dealt with personal matters, citing her daughters wedding and her mothers funeral as examples. All the correspondence pertaining to official business was turned over to and archived by State. The deletion of the emails, though perfectly legal, has excited House Republicans, including Speaker John Boehner, who has announced plans to deploy House committees to investigate what might aptly be called Servergate.
Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clintons and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.
Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:
Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayers dime.
Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Roves political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.
Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Roves server had been used to send official, non-political emails correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.
more: http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/03/18/flashback-rove-erases-22-million-white-house-emails-on-private-server-at-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)He was not the Secretary of State.
If as another DU'er here has speculated, Hillary was running a secret black op of secret spies, then the entire Benghazi operation was a secret operation. Benghazi seems to be just that, on account of how the American Air Force Base in Italy said they could not respond to help out on the night of the attack. Then the fact that emails relating to the existence of the Benghazi operation might well have been hacked and the information that there was a total lack of security at Benghazi could well have been the instigating factor for what happened there. That whole loss of life, foreign as well as American, would have resulted from Clinton not doing what our government had laid out as an order for her to follow.
And that is just one of several other super heavy duty implications.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Utilized email for the sake of sharing of secrets.
Nothing of significance was written down by either of these two guys.
And btw, Hillary was the first person as Secretary of State to use email as a significant portion of her communication. (There was a report on Lawrence O'Donnell last night about this.)
Powell when Secretary of State, used email, but it was totally at the beginning of email use by Republican officials.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)The crap some people try to peddle here is amusing.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Hillary.
Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)brush
(53,871 posts)They can delete tons of emails but Clinton no way. Call out the National Guard.
Call the FBI.
Notified the media of Clinton's horrible crimes.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)this in any way is a logic based parallel for a discussion of the email matter?
Rove's email = NO STATE SECRETS
Clinton's email = STATE SECRETS
Big difference.
brush
(53,871 posts)Rove deleted emails from THE WHITE HOUSE SERVER.
You don't think there was sensitive material on THE WHITE HOUSE SERVER that Rove made sure to delete?
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)During her tenure, Condi Rice made ZERO emails to anyone about anything.
I suppose that Rove could have emailed Cheney about purchasing stock at Halliburton, but other than that, I don't think much of a secret nature was discussed.
Embarrassing stuff maybe but not national security type stuff.
brush
(53,871 posts)Who would ever believe that?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)He was using a private email server and none of his emails were archived. And no one is going apeshit over it.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Be prosecuted for their crimes. You are comparing Hillary to that standard?!? Well I agree she should be indicted.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)The point is the hypocrisy, but hey, hate away if it makes you feel better.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And they excuse ignoring the suffering by rationalizing that it's pragmatism. It's authoritarian adulation that drives them to ignore those suffering. A president sponsored by Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street will do nothing to solve the problems of the 99%.
The class war plots the Progressive Wing with Sen Sanders vs. the Conservative Wing with Hillary and her sponsors, Goldman-Sachs, Wall Street and even the Koch Bros.
840high
(17,196 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)You're shrugging off one, and condemning the other. And Hillary's email deletions are considerably more troublesome, not less-- because she was the SoS and she's running for the party's nomination.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)which they should be authorities on given their much closer ideological proximity to their rightwing cousins as HC supporters
they also use the same lame justifications as their cousins too, like somehow the wayward conduct on the part of their rightwing cousins somehow excuses hers https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/26/clintons-imperious-brush-off-of-email-rules/
enid602
(8,652 posts)And according to Lawrence O'Donnell on his show last night, Condi Rice did not send a single email during her tenure. Kind of scary.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I recall that the RNC had a whole system set up in the White House for Rove that they asserted was exempt from FOIA. I understand employees having private yahoo or AOL emails accounts, but Rove's system was pretty extensive.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)for years, me since some where in the mid 90's, but there are still some people who don't use email or computers. We must remember that the Bush admin ended in 2008, and there were many more people who were not connected just 7 years ago. I cannot equate the Bush White House with the Obama White House, one was steeped in the past and other other was supposed to be the future.
Hillary knew about the Blackberry and loved it before she was SOS, so she can't blame ignorance.
Z
The Wizard
(12,548 posts)He's committed numerous crimes against the country and disregarded subpoenas. He's responsible for several right wing Judges on the federal bench. That's why Repubics are immune to prosecution.
green917
(442 posts)The law was changed in 2009 to prevent this from happening again, hence the lengthy (ongoing) fbi investigation.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Regardless of what a POS he may be he's yesterday's news.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I didn't realize Rove was such an awesome role model for you guys.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)You can repost in General Discussion: Primaries