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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's speech on energy today.... well, let's just say I can't find the words to insult
it properly, to give it its due. Maybe some of you can.
Here is what he said, in its entirety.
Bernie is going to ban fracking.
Hillary is going to ban fracking. Hillary is going to abolish the Second Amendment. Okay? Just in case you have any questions. She's going to abolish your right to own guns; she's going to abolish the Second Amendment. And I'm exactly the opposite and I got the endorsement the other day from the NRA, which was a great endorsement and a great honor for me because they're great, amazing people. I'm a member of the NRA. My sons are members of the NRA.
But they want to absolutely knock out fracking. And you do that, you're going to be back into the Middle East and we're going to be begging for oil again. It's not going to happen. Not with me.
We're going to open it up. We're going to be energy independent. We're going to have all sorts of energy. We're going to have everything you can think of, including solar.
And I know a lot about solar. The problem with solar: It's very expensive. When you have a 30-year payback, that's not exactly the greatest thing in the world. But I know a lot about solar. I have gone solar on occasion, but it a very, very expensive thing.
Wind is very expensive. I mean, wind, without subsidy, wind doesn't work. You need massive subsidies for wind. There are places maybe for wind. But if you go to various places in California, wind is killing all of the eagles.
You know if you shoot an eagle, kill an eagle, they want to put you in jail for five years. Yet the windmills are killing hundreds and hundreds of eagles. One of the most beautiful, one of the most treasured birds -- and they're killing them by the hundreds and nothing happens. So wind is, you know, it is a problem. Plus it's very, very expensive and doesn't work without subsidy.
Despite that, I'm into all types of energy.
By the way, while we are in North Dakota, I have to say this. I love the farmers. And the farmers are incredible. We have to remember this was largely a farm state. And they produce tremendous crops of tremendous different goods of which I eat a lot of them. And, and I just want to pay my respects to the farmers of North Dakota. Because they have done a great job.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/26/theres-a-lot-to-unpack-in-donald-trumps-answers-about-energy-policy/
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)sounds even worse to me.
The phony crap about eagles made me want to punch him in his pouty mouth
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Sad thing is, people eat that crud up.
rurallib
(62,471 posts)hatrack
(59,596 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)joshcryer
(62,280 posts)Cakewalk.
cali
(114,904 posts)That's the prevailing meme. This guy's ads write themselves. It's going to be a double digit loss.
cali
(114,904 posts)Ominous music. Close up of a BlackBerry held in a woman's hand. Somber voice
Hillary Clinton endangered national security. She put American lives at risk.
Hillary should be indicted, not elected.
Surely you don't think trump will hold back.... on anything.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)And Trumps email crap will be similar to his birther nonsense.
cali
(114,904 posts)We'll see. If anyone can blow it, it's Hillary
I think his Trump U scandal might be the worst for him. His followers are low information and vulnerable; probably like recent Trump grads in many ways.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Music from the 20's. Close up of a Bernie with his crazy hair eschew.
Bernie Sanders wants to give away everything for free.
Bernie is a crazy Socialist.
Surely you don't think trump will hold back.... on anything.
You BSers crack me up.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)There's a lot of places Hillary can't go without risking extremely damaging return fire from Trump. If there is one thing Trump is good at it's counter-battery fire.
I think it was Napoleon who said God is on the side with the heaviest artillery.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)This one in particular is getting air time on TV:
Then there are these:
Trump is going to be demolished. Utterly destroyed.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)"Of course she's crooked, I paid her myself and she came through for me when I called." Then he will produce the cancelled checks.
Their kids are best friends, they move in the same social strata.
But that means Trump is crooked, yes? So what, Trump wasn't pretending to be on your side while taking payoffs to do favors for the wealthy, everyone knows Trump is on Trump's side.
I'm reminded of Rodney Dangerfield's first day in business class.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)Influence peddling, maybe, but unprovable, and in any event, it will always be able to be pivoted to the government bailing him and his companies out. The stuff they have on Trump isn't salacious sex crap, it's full on financial ruin.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Personally I loathe Trump, have never watched any of his shows, dislike that persona intensely.
I don't think pointing out the government has bailed him out many times can't be played to his political advantage though.
The messages here on DU are weirdly conflicting. "DOOM! TRUMP WILL KILL US ALL IF BERNIE DOESN'T DROP OUT NOW!!1!" vs "Relax, Trump is going to lose by a landslide". It can't be both at the same time.
joshcryer
(62,280 posts)Which will be pointed out. He's not "new" to Washington. He's not anti-establishment, his lobbyists were actually investigated in 2000 for effectively bribing and he had to pay a $250k fine. Mind you, I know exactly what you're saying, but I don't think the American people are going to buy it. They're not going to buy the argument that the guy who knows how "things operate" is able to "fix it." Because it can't be "fixed" without legislation, and the guy doesn't even know where things are going wrong (it's not actually in lobbying, which is a constitutional right, redress of grievances, it's much more than that; it's in big money, citizens united, oligarchy united, which force politicians to be on a year round fundraising cycle just to stay afloat).
I don't think Trump has a shot in hell of becoming President. He's an embarrassment, a third rate candidate. This OP is literally about how his energy policy is a complete and epic joke, utterly misinformed (Wind is already competitive with coal, buildings and power lines kill more birds than turbines, and solar is going to be extremely cheap in a decade due to the DOE's SunShot Initiative; he's absolutely fucking clueless).
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Except that they are more stupid than he is.
world wide wally
(21,758 posts)trueblue2007
(17,243 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I didn't listen to it yesterday but the pundits were saying how great it was and presidential. So when I saw the OP, I actually was expecting a decent job. There is nothing of substance at all in that speech. It's the same string of second grade thoughts as always.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Stole that from "A Fish Called Wanda", but it's actually true.
Yonnie3
(17,504 posts)Why do I get a headache?
Perhaps he's saying nothing.
Perhaps he has taken too much Adderall.
Perhaps it is some kind of allergic reaction to oral diarrhea.
Perhaps ...
Enough!
F*ck T'Rump
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Who should I believe, Trump or DU?
Trump took the Gish Gallop and man alive he shoved it on down into overdrive.
Good luck countering a Gish Gallop, it's damn near impossible.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)or call an exorcist to remove the demon of Sarah Palin.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)His sons love their guns and love to take them to Africa to shoot lions which are listed as a vulnerable species (endangered in my opinion).
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)serious, it would be funny. There are some song writers who just sit down and play and sing anything that comes in their mind hoping to come up with something good. That's him, although the "good" is stuff that attracts ignorant, racist voters. I think he got in the race for publicity, but his racist rants against Latinos and Muslims appealed to yahoos and here we are.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)AN AMERICA FIRST ENERGY PLAN
Im delighted to be in North Dakota, a state at the forefront of a new energy revolution.
Oil and natural gas production is up significantly in the last decade. Our oil imports have been cut in half.
But all this occurred in spite of massive new bureaucratic and political barriers.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/an-america-first-energy-plan
If you read through the whole thing, you will see it is totally different. Doesn't even sound like the same person.
cali
(114,904 posts)Someone wrote the o n e you linked to. Someone not trump
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Maybe it was the speech as prepared and Trump just started ad libbing?