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*sigh*
http://boingboing.net/2016/05/23/drinking-milk-while-black-stu.html
Virginia authorities handcuffed a middle school student and charged him with larceny for "stealing" a milk carton from the school cafeteria earlier this year. The child has also been suspended from school.
In Prince William County, Virgina, the boy's mother Shamise Turk say police handcuffed and charged her son Ryanwith stealing a carton of milk from the school cafeteria. The school normally charges students 65 cents per carton for milk. But Ryan Turk is allowed to drink it for free, because he's registered on the school's lunch program.
Ms. Turk says one day Ryan went back to the lunch line to get his milk, and a Prince William County police officer approached him and accused him of stealing it.
Police say officers then handcuffed Ryan because the student "broke the rules and became disorderly," according to local news reports.
Virginia is a racist state. I know. I grew up there. For many of the area's Trump voters, it is still the proud capital of the White Southern Confederacy.
Ryan Turk told a local television news reporter that yes, he did pull back when the officer grabbed him.
"I yanked away from him I told him to get off of me because he's not my dad, Ryan said.
Shamise Turk says her son was then taken to the principal's office, where officials searched the student for drugs. The school principal says "he was acting inappropriately."
"Because he was fidgety, kept pulling on the strings of his pants, and laughing when we were trying to talk to him and just wouldn't talk, Shamise Turk said.
The school suspended her son for "theft, being disrespectful and using his cell phone."
The Prince William County Schools spokesman says, "the need for disciplinary action is determined by how a student behaves throughout any given incident...an appeals process is in place to ensure the fairness of any disciplinary action."
His mother says they're insane.
Police told her the larceny charge is because he tried to "conceal" the milk, which Ryan denies.
He cannot go to school, and if the charges are upheld, he has a juvenile record and will have trouble getting into college or finding employment, among a host of other damaging things this does to young black men in America. "I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I'm mad. It just went too far. They are charging him with larceny, which I don't have no understanding as to why he is being charged with larceny when he was entitled to that milk from the beginning," said Ms. Turk.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)tblue37
(65,502 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)malaise
(269,237 posts)What do you expect.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)But the whole country seems a lot meaner today. Civil rights should have been a progression, but the stuff which happens now is regression.
The video of Tamir Rice was obvious, yet there are sides. Oh Hell, a boy being cuffed by a police man, and then booted from school, for milk? These are all too many WTF events that too many Americans are use to.
I hope it's like the phenomenon of a star burning out is at it's brightest before it's death. But this getting worse before better...I can't see the end.
malaise
(269,237 posts)I agree with every word you wrote - and we must never give up hope.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.
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lakeguy
(1,640 posts)when the whole basis for existence is to make a profit, there's no way private prisons make sense in a just society.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)is about as illogical and barbaric as it gets.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)One that is still ongoing. Too bad we collectively are too frightened to do anything about it.
malaise
(269,237 posts)cstanleytech
(26,342 posts)their ass?
Judi Lynn
(160,656 posts)He should NOT be harmed for not knowing how to react to a freakish situation.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Yep. What she said.
StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)Mom is right.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)She said they were insane and I said "what she said", meaning I agreed with what she said. Got it?
StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)Wow. I'm totally just agreeing with you more here.
WTF interwebs peeps, stop assuming everyone is a troll.
I apologize if my phrasing was unclear.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)We misunderstood each other. Let's just be done now.
StrictlyRockers
(3,858 posts)I'm just amazed that everyone wants to fight here.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)A lot of ignorant adults in that situation, all over a 65¢ carton of milk!
DhhD
(4,695 posts)lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Free.
The young man is allowed a carton of milk with his FREE school lunch. FREE.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)They are doing more harm than good. But I suppose the reason they are there is to train youngsters, particularly those "unruly" PoC to "respect" authority.
This nation is so close to being a police state, it just keeps getting worse and worse.
.
rurallib
(62,471 posts)and many of those in authority are on a power trip just waiting for a chance to show it off.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)The school as much as says that outright (from the article linked in the OP):
<SNIP>
"Because he was fidgety, kept pulling on the strings of his pants, and laughing when we were trying to talk to him and just wouldn't talk, Shamise Turk said.
The school suspended her son for "theft, being disrespectful and using his cell phone."
The Prince William County Schools spokesman says, "the need for disciplinary action is determined by how a student behaves throughout any given incident...an appeals process is in place to ensure the fairness of any disciplinary action."
(Emphasis added by me.)
So the kid pulled back after the cop grabbed him for no rational reason. Then the kid did not display the proper deference when he was taken to the office so he was suspended and charged with a crime. For a box of milk that he was supposed to get for FREE!
I agree with, "His mother says they're nuts."
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)We can also look at as training. The police are not to be trusted and we need to know and exercise our rights. Better to learn that as a child before the lesson gets attached to your record as an adult.
(I'm with you though. The cops in school was just starting when I was a senior in HS. I can't imagine what school is like today)
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)WASHINGTON Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.
"In our national struggle against youth violence we must not fail our children; our future depends on it," the president said in his weekly radio address.
Clinton announced that he and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton will host a White House conference on teenagers on May 2 to "talk through the challenges of raising responsible children."
angrychair
(8,749 posts)Your a New York investment banker.
Make millions in 20 minute speeches from said bankers you can be a presidential candidate.
Take a 65¢ milk and your a criminal for life.
There is no peace and prosperity until we all have a piece of prosperity.
Machineland
(53 posts)Unless you can afford a lawyer to follow your child around just in case your kid gets pulled over in the hallway.
This is not funny and is one of the reasons I pulled my kids out of school and are home schooling them now. Last year one of my daughters school here in Tennessee sent home a paper to the parents asking who they were voting for. It asked all kinds of private questions about who I was voting for and asked me to circle the candidate I was voting for. It had Trump, Hillary Bernie and others on it. I refused to sign it and fill it out. Sent it back with my child, only for the teacher to remind my child that she would get a zero over me not filling it out. AS IT WAS FOR A GRADE! She sent it home again. I then called the Election Board and the principal of the school. I found out it was illegal for her to do that. Cops were in the school. You would have thought she would have went to jail. All we got out of it was the principal assured me that she wasn't going to give her a grade on it. And that she filled it out for me and signed it so that the homework was turned in. I also found out that she bad mouthed Bernie supporters in her class.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... something you said in the top line of your response to the OP set me to thinking:
How would it be to require that a child advocacy lawyer be on duty each and every day of the school year to settle silly shite like this? Kids aren't criminals. They are kids, damnit.
If a kid isn't on free and reduced lunches because a parent didn't turn the paperwork back in for whatever reason and decided to just send the lunch money with the kids every day or weekly, and is late and forgets to give them the lunch money, that kid should be able to eat.
There's dozens of scenarios we've heard of over the effing years that leave kids feeling absolutely horrible and defeated, and sometimes even hungry and thirsty. What a cruel place to have to send your kids to school at while you work.
If the school doesn't have the money to pay a child ombudsman in the richest country in the effing world, then have a kind preacher on call who can get to the bottom of incidents like this at a moments notice.
Where was the effing counselor? Another person they can't afford today in our children's schools? We're going backwards!
lostnfound
(16,194 posts)Healthy meals. Because kids deserve food.
Only thing we socialize readily here is a massive war machine.
LiberalArkie
(15,731 posts)public school children to fail. Only private schools are geared to get children to succeed.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)SkolmatSverige translates as "School Food Sweden" and is an innovative web-based system that allows schools and municipalities to evaluate their school food provision in a comprehensive and holistic way.
The main aim of the system is to support schools in their work to provide good school meals. The secondary aims are to follow school meal quality over time, and to conduct research on the importance of school meals.
Below follows a description of the tool or you can skip to our latest results!
Description of the tool
The aim with the instrument is to gather information not just on the nutritional content but also on other aspects of quality. The tool acknowledges and reflects the relevance of school meals to the overall school experience.
The six areas or domains covered that each affect overall meal quality are:
the choice that the school offers (Choice)
the nutritional quality of the food (Nutritional quality )
how the school ensures that food is safe and hygienic (Safe food)
how the school works to improve meal service, to take advantage of the school meal as a pedagogic resource, to see that pupils are involved etc (Meal service)
how much the school considers the environmental impact of food choices (Sustainable food)
issues regarding the organisation and management of the school meal service (Organisation and policy)
The instrument also includes questionnaires for the diners pupils and staff.
snip
School lunches in Sweden have a long history
In Sweden, every child attending a primary school (between the ages of 6 and 15) is entitled to a free school lunch every day. This has been enshrined in the legislation that covers all aspects of schooling (the Education Act) since 1997. In reality the practice is much older than this, and school meals have been documented since the late 1800s.
The Education Act was updated relatively recently (1st July 2011) and since then, in addition to being free, school meals must also be "nutritious" (i.e., meet Swedish nutrition recommendations/Nordic nutrition recommendations).
From the Education Act: "Education shall be free. Pupils shall, without charge, have access to books and other teaching materials as well as to nutritious school meals" [translation ours].
niyad
(113,701 posts)lastone
(588 posts)Who can contact these people directly and assist them in setting up a go fund me page.
They need legal council.
They sure as he'll do.
I'm furious.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Here, in New Mexico, Driving While Black (DWB) carries less consequences than it did in Alabama.
trueblue2007
(17,243 posts)those racist pigs should be ashamed of what they did to that poor little boy.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)While racism in Virginia isn't unheard of, it's not shown in this particular story.
As long as it's not, it's treating all Virginia cops as guilty until proven innocent.
underpants
(182,968 posts)They have a long history of this sort of thing including institutional systematic abuses towards Latinos/Hispanics. It doesn't matter your status they think the are all "illegals". PW is basically a suburb of DC, while the rest of NoVa dealt with DC sprawling out and the workforce that came in to service the city PW did not. At all.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)pnwmom
(109,020 posts)It isn't "treating all Virginia cops as guilty until proven innocent."
But that's exactly what this cop did to this boy. Before grabbing him in the lunchline, he should have determined whether the boy was on free lunch or not. Instead, he assumed the boy was stealing.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)At least, and that was my point, the case for a racial bias is not documented here
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)might not ever be proven.
But there should be a high degree of suspicion.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)At least if you're a decent police officer in Virginia.
The presumption of guilt cannot be the default position.
pnwmom
(109,020 posts)Albertoo
(2,016 posts)pnwmom
(109,020 posts)The kid is just a kid who took the milk he was entitled to. The cop should have asked the lunch supervisor whether the boy was free lunch or paid.
What the cop did was very wrong whether it was racially motivated or not.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)How's the weather on your planet?
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Other than than, I'm having a fair weather at present, thank you.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)without being mentioned in an article. Do you really think they would have arrested my grandson (half white, half Hispanic that looks white and has a white last name) in the same situation? Then, came up with the lame excuse that he was fidgety because he was in the principal's office with a cop breathing down his neck? No, even had he stolen it, which the kid in the story didn't, at worst we would have received a phone call. If you think cops handle white and black people the same then you are either naive or not paying attention.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)That cop is a dick. It is unknown at present if he's a racist dick.
Separation
(1,975 posts)Does the article mention the color of the police officer? What about the school employees that were involved?
Like stated before, the only thing that I got from the article was that the officer totally blew the situation out of hand and then made more ridiculous by the school's employees.
Now with that being said, I am in no way saying that racism does not exist or that there was racist motive by the school employees, however the article never mentioned any of that happening.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)you people are both so ridic and so transparent.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)And I do not try to inject my presuppositions, tastes or feelings in what I read.
A habit. Unaware it was so ridiculous.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)people who habitually minimize racism are enablers of this system of oppression.
PatrickforO
(14,602 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)They're the best.
lostnfound
(16,194 posts)Orrex
(63,247 posts)Teach him to be afraid of racist cops who will manufacture any pretense in order to bully and harass black students.
I'm amazed that they didn't pepper spray him or hit him with a taser.
Everyone in the chain of command in this case should be fired, and Ms. Turk should sue.
k/r
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the 50s our cooks knew who did not have enough to eat at home and made sure that they could come up for seconds at lunch. They also often took left overs that they could not use another day and boxed them to take home for the family.
One case I am thinking about was a family of 8 who's father was an alcoholic - deadbeat. Mother worked cleaning houses but her income was never enough to take care of this family.
Another was a farm family of four. Small family farms were going broke and this family was one of them.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Agreed.
katsy
(4,246 posts)Warpy
(111,405 posts)Stories like this one keep me a hermit.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)It was the first state since reconstruction to elect an African-American Governor. And Obama carried the state twice.
JohnnyRingo
(18,672 posts)Why isn't the milk supplied at cost, and who pockets the money?
I understand that poorer kids get it for a reduced price or free, but when an entire school district buys milk in such a huge bulk I'm sure the price would be lower than full retail at a convenience store.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)I thought police presence in schools was meant to keep violent criminals from coming in from the outside and making targets of these pupils and teachers. There are teachers, psychologists and counselors, or at least there should be, taking care of interpersonal student behavior issues. And police are not the judge, jury and executioner of the small claims courts they seem to have erected in their own minds. They should not be putting their hands on children in a violent manner, ever. Sixty-five cent milk "dispute". Wretched.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Back when baby boomers didn't want their kids smoking pot, during the 80's they bought into an armed propaganda program to teach kids that drugs are bad.
Drug abuse resistance education.
We can thank the dare program for helping to legalize cannabis. Two decades of lying to kids about cannabis and its effects brought about an activist community that has changed America for the better.
Most every inner city school has a "resource officer", often not found in more affluent schools.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)If you want to let them know what you think.
Mrs. Michelle Heindrichs
Assistant Principal
heindrmd@pwcs.edu
Maria Ramadane
Principal
ramadaml@pwcs.edu
blackspade
(10,056 posts)None of the 'authorities' in this case seem to have any common sense at all, even beyond the obvious racism.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)becca656
(3 posts)My oldest grandson has a learning disability. They have all the documentation on him at the school. They did the testing and set up his education plan to support his learning disability. Been in place for three years.
At the start of this school year, we believed that all the issues he'd had were now resolved. Within a week of school starting, the school administration accused him of being a bully, when he was the one being bullied and the attacker admitted that he'd been a bully to our child, and threatened his parents (my daughter and son in law) to call DCF because they didn't believe our other children were safe in the house with this child. My grandson was left feeling no one supported him at school and that they all hated him. Again, his bully admitted to his behavior and yet that child remained undisciplined and continues (according to reports) to attack other children.
We pulled all the children out of school immediately and found a wonderful magnet school at no expense to the family where he is now thriving and having the time of his life. He's learning too at a much faster pace than he was learning in public school.
Public schools today are a wreck because they are run by people who don't know the first thing about managing children. The minute the kids act like kids, they are punished without regard.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Before it ever gets this fucking far?
Because they're idiots and afraid to admit their reasonings.
snort
(2,334 posts)Behave correctly. Bend to Authority or you will be penalized. Any questions?
malthaussen
(17,219 posts)Why don't we just start hanging people for stealing a loaf of bread? It was all the rage 300 years ago.
-- Mal
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)If you are white and steal millions then you are considered a great business man
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)To ruin his life.
They get off on that shit.
Fla Dem
(23,817 posts)Stainless
(718 posts)Would the pig cop have reacted the same way if it was a white girl that did that?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Good luck.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)In the NYC school I worked in, we had an NYPD officer working security.
He NEVER intervened in non-violent situations. Ever.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Some nice private school will take him, however. And he will be better off. But the wound they inflicted on this kid that day will never heal. It shouldn't.
"His mother says they're insane." No they aren't. They are purposeful, deliberate, and have a tendency toward bullying. They have as much business being in charge of children as a roomful of pedophiles.
They are deliberately teaching that kid - and every other kid in their system - that hethey are not as good as everyone else, unless they have force and guns.Then it doesn't matter what they do. Like a rapist.
Doing a bang-up job of it too.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... an especially toasty ring of the Inferno awaiting that malignant skid mark of a cop, and the despicable principal of this school. The magnitude of their evil can only be measured in astronomical terms.
Apologists for law enforcement (one of my stepsons is a cop; we don't agree on much) wonder why everyone hates their guts; this is why. To compound the atrocity of their actions, they lie through their teeth, deflect blame, and refuse to discipline those responsible.
These evil, bigoted bastards are hell-bent on starting a race war. When it breaks, the bigots will find out the hard way what a deadly marksman I am. And FUCK forgiveness, "Truth and Reconciliation," or any other media-manufactured "get out of jail free" card for these disgraceful wastes of skin. Give them a taste of the horrors they are so eager to visit upon the Black community. These cowards will foul their britches when confronted with what they have subjected Black people to on a daily basis for far, FAR too long.
They make me ashamed to be white, and for that, I have a ZERO tolerance policy.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Is that normal?
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I hope the publicity will bring pressure on the school authorities and help for Ryan.
raging moderate
(4,314 posts)There was absolutely no excuse for what any of the adults did in this situation.
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Alkene
(752 posts)"theft (Ummm, no), being disrespectful and using his cell phone."
SMH
ck4829
(35,094 posts)K&R
peace13
(11,076 posts)He must be a lonely young man. Why wasn't there someone to defuse this situation. And I agree, why are cops putting their hands on students.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)lykemike
(25 posts)I've had it. Since Obama's first day in office, I've seen such vicious, evil hatred; and not entirely directed at the president.
Are police treating blacks this way in response to Obama's election? I mean, the country is bursting at the seams, it's so full of disgusting racist bigots.
How long can you witness hate, until you begin to hate back?
Blue Dalek
(178 posts)the cop should have paid for the milk and gave the boy a smile. But noooooo!
LiberalNotLibertine
(8 posts)While I'm inclined to believe some of the story, this is only half a story. Its just as likely that this child demonstrated a high degree of disrespect and is selectively sharing his own narrative.
Seeing as his mother wasn't present to witness the incident, I'm unsure how her account is relevant to the story. Though I'm sure if he treated her like he treated the police officer and the school principal, I'm fairly confident that Mom would have slapped her son upside the head......and probably being well deserved.
I also don't embrace the encounter was motivated by racism. Even if it did happened in Virginia. I've seen racism all over this world, and it's not exclusive to any people or any geographic area. Continually using race card argument for every encounter, only diminishes those times when it does actually occur.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Sue the school district and the school officials.
Sue the police jurisdiction and the individual cop for civil rights violations, using the parent as a plaintiff suing on behalf of a minor.
You are welcome.