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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon May 9, 2016, 02:54 PM May 2016

Bay Area family booted off plane over son's peanut allergy

http://www.sfgate.com/about/article/peanut-allergies-nuts-airline-policies-Allegiant-7423014.php

When Bay Area parents Kyson and Sara Dana alerted a flight attendant of their son's severe peanut allergy, they found themselves kicked off the plane....

After boarding an Allegiant flight from Provo, Utah, to Oakland, the Danas asked a flight attendant if peanuts could not be served in the seating area surrounding them. The attendant refused the request, and Kyson told ABC News 7, they decided to stay on the flight despite the airline's decision.

But the flight attendant returned shortly thereafter and told the family they couldn't stay on the plane.

Kyson took to Facebook to share his frustration: "The flight attendant then causes a huge scene and KICKS US OFF the plane! Who does that? No accommodations offered, no refund, and now no plane. Ever heard of worse customer service????"


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Bay Area family booted off plane over son's peanut allergy (Original Post) KamaAina May 2016 OP
ADA mahatmakanejeeves May 2016 #1
Believe it or not, the ADA does not apply to airlines KamaAina May 2016 #9
The airline erred on the side of caution Blue_Tires May 2016 #2
This^^^. +1 cleanhippie May 2016 #3
Indeed. Family and airline were concerned about his safety, so put on another flight without uppityperson May 2016 #16
Why would another flight not have the same risk? pnwmom May 2016 #53
Maybe the next one didn't have peanuts on board? Orrex May 2016 #58
Some flights serve graham crackers rather than peanuts alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #91
I've been on peanut free flights, probably one of them uppityperson May 2016 #94
If they had already served peanuts since this plane was cleaned, it would be dangerous Yo_Mama May 2016 #113
wouldn't serving pretzels instead... lame54 May 2016 #60
Uh no... TipTok May 2016 #62
Do you mean on that particular flight, or on all flights? Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #75
I have allergies too GummyBearz May 2016 #88
Are you sure it isn't lupus? Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #92
Nope... TipTok May 2016 #95
Then it is probably sarcoidosis. Or amyloidosis. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #97
You must not hang out with yourself much! whistler162 May 2016 #99
This is true GummyBearz May 2016 #100
Yeah, the initial few paragraphs made it sound bad... Bob41213 May 2016 #131
I never really considered leftynyc May 2016 #4
It would probably be a good idea to change your choice of snacks. philosslayer May 2016 #25
I ALWAYS have peanut leftynyc May 2016 #26
Could the smell of beer and gin kill you? philosslayer May 2016 #30
Uh - no leftynyc May 2016 #34
^^ This Mother Of Four May 2016 #122
It's a slippery slope of accomodation... TipTok May 2016 #96
You seem to need to trivialize people's life-threatening allergies Demit May 2016 #105
Daytime TV and parenting blogs account for many of today's supposed peanut allergies... TipTok May 2016 #106
These comments are disgusting. Justice May 2016 #111
Which part? TipTok May 2016 #112
There's snacks with peanuts in them TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #132
It falls squarely in the category of 'their problem'. TipTok May 2016 #67
That's my feeling leftynyc May 2016 #68
Peanut allergies are a first world problem... TipTok May 2016 #71
They are, but the allergies are real. Various theories about why. mainer May 2016 #79
That makes perfect sense leftynyc May 2016 #89
I would bet there's more to this story ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #5
They were probably bugging other passengers too........ thelordofhell May 2016 #13
I'm gonna need a list of everything you've eaten in the last 48 hours... TipTok May 2016 #69
I am sure there is much more to the story liberal N proud May 2016 #57
Severe allergies can be legit, but parents can be extemists, too Kittycat May 2016 #127
Well, flying Allegiant was their first mistake..... Coventina May 2016 #6
No one else flies to Provo. KamaAina May 2016 #12
Yeah, that really stinks. I have the same issue trying to get to Grand Rapids. Coventina May 2016 #14
Southwest goes there KamaAina May 2016 #15
I won't fly Southwest either because I have to have an assigned seat. Coventina May 2016 #17
That doesn't make you a princess leftynyc May 2016 #27
Thanks! As consumers, we kind of have to look out for ourselves. Coventina May 2016 #31
I don't like it either leftynyc May 2016 #35
Yep. I invested in noise-canceling headphones, worth every penny. Coventina May 2016 #36
I can't recommend a kindle leftynyc May 2016 #37
Just ask Alec Baldwin! Coventina May 2016 #38
I'm a pop culture imbecile leftynyc May 2016 #48
I believe he was kicked off a plane for refusing to turn his off when told by crew. Coventina May 2016 #74
Dang! Thank you so much. I never thought of getting some noise-cancelling headphones yeoman6987 May 2016 #43
Glad I could help!! Coventina May 2016 #45
Plantronics back beat pros TipTok May 2016 #72
Thank you! yeoman6987 May 2016 #84
It's nice to pay for the product and not the name.. TipTok May 2016 #93
I don't have a phobia regarding flying and I hate the cattle call. EllieBC May 2016 #28
I know, right? It's not like there's enough stress involved in air travel, Coventina May 2016 #32
I have flown Southwest dozens of times and have no problem with the way madinmaryland May 2016 #42
Same here PasadenaTrudy May 2016 #90
Then don't fly Spirit! scscholar May 2016 #44
Yikes! Good info to have. Coventina May 2016 #46
Actually it makes you cute! Silver_Witch May 2016 #77
I don't have a phobia, but I won't fly Southwest for the same reason. kcr May 2016 #104
"...Provo, Spain?" Warren DeMontague May 2016 #49
I thought they have to be in contact with the airlines in advance? I could be wrong but Person 2713 May 2016 #7
That sounds more likely. LisaM May 2016 #59
some airlines won't accommodate that ctaylors6 May 2016 #124
And sometimes not even that is needed. I have sat next to my cousin in a car' s back seat Person 2713 May 2016 #129
Perfect analogy for the fallacy of the Second Amendment. onehandle May 2016 #8
Perfect analogy for what you should do before a workout. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #50
I fly quite often FLPanhandle May 2016 #10
Why not check with the airline ahead of time? Matrosov May 2016 #11
I wouldn't fly Allegiant if they paid me. Initech May 2016 #18
I was thinking of flying Allegiant WhiteTara May 2016 #21
Well...... there is Yelp. Initech May 2016 #23
Oh, it sounds like United WhiteTara May 2016 #33
I have had far worse experiences on United and American than I have ever had on any LCC Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2016 #39
Wow they have surprisingly good fares to Hawaii. Initech May 2016 #40
if a kid is that allergic, keep him in a damned bubble! rusty fender May 2016 #19
You would think there would be some way to desensitize people with such allergies. alarimer May 2016 #20
There are doctors in some of the larger children's hospitals that are doing that Horse with no Name May 2016 #41
They are working on it, but in the meantime, in the real world, there are children every year pnwmom May 2016 #52
Anaphylactic shock is not a special snowflake situation. EllieBC May 2016 #22
Is that how you feel about every child with a life-threatening condition? How nasty. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #51
Ridiculous question rusty fender May 2016 #101
You just called a child with a life threatening allergy a "special snowflake." That is nasty. pnwmom May 2016 #103
Again, if someone is so allergic to peanuts that rusty fender May 2016 #114
Where did I offer a solution? I criticized your name-calling. Those families go through enough pnwmom May 2016 #115
So now you are the snowflake police! rusty fender May 2016 #116
I'd rather be that than the person ridiculing parents of seriously at-risk children. nt pnwmom May 2016 #118
Give it a fucking rest, why don't you rusty fender May 2016 #133
Has to be more to this story matt819 May 2016 #24
I feel like this is something the family needed to handle before they get on the plane. MadBadger May 2016 #29
exactly Skittles May 2016 #102
Good Spider Jerusalem May 2016 #47
I was on a flight recently where there was a woman who told the flight attendants she had mnhtnbb May 2016 #54
The smell of peanuts does not cause an allergic reaction. GreenEyedLefty May 2016 #55
Peanut dust can cause a reaction - a large number of people opening peanut packages at the same time womanofthehills May 2016 #65
Then that dust from the previous flight, and the hundreds of flights before that would be all over cleanhippie May 2016 #80
the airlines suggest that someone with a peanut allergy womanofthehills May 2016 #108
And that is good advice. Unfortunately, many want to be accomodated instead of cleanhippie May 2016 #109
Dust is not the same as aroma. GreenEyedLefty May 2016 #130
Yes, but even trying to watch a toddler like a hawk... moriah May 2016 #66
An airline serves snacks? Duckhunter935 May 2016 #56
That was my thought too Bettie May 2016 #76
They can't promise the airplane is going to be peanut free at that point gollygee May 2016 #61
The millennials have started breeding :) snooper2 May 2016 #63
I'm shocked by the "They'll pry my peanuts from my cold, dead fingers" responses.... marmar May 2016 #64
Agreed womanofthehills May 2016 #70
I'm shocked by the "I can't believe others don't respect my entitilement" responses... cleanhippie May 2016 #82
That's fine, that's your opinion. marmar May 2016 #83
I'd be happy if people started taking responsibility for themseves... cleanhippie May 2016 #86
Why do you care so much? ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2016 #117
I just don't see the big deal with forgoing one f**king type of snack, especially.... marmar May 2016 #121
People will still bring peanuts with them Travis_0004 May 2016 #128
Plane has already been flying with passengers eating peanuts. dilby May 2016 #120
One of my kids has a severe peanut allergy, and ctaylors6 May 2016 #125
plane seats are covered in peanut dust. All planes unsafe for this family. mainer May 2016 #73
How different airlines handle peanut allergies womanofthehills May 2016 #78
The mother should be grateful. What if there was a medical emergency in the air? What if Pisces May 2016 #81
a plane serves peanuts, would it not already be full of peanut dust from the first haul it made La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #85
Just stop it. You're using common sense, and we simply cannot have that. cleanhippie May 2016 #87
Yes - this has to be set up ahead of time gollygee May 2016 #98
I agree, it is only a problem for the airline if they arranged it before hand. hollysmom May 2016 #107
Fauxrage. Deadshot May 2016 #110
I guess the parents said he has a severe allergy to peanuts. dilby May 2016 #119
Yup. Damages for failure to act could be far greater than damages for deplaning the family. CentralCoaster May 2016 #123
Someone needs to tell dad that you don't get it both ways. kiva May 2016 #126
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. Believe it or not, the ADA does not apply to airlines
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

but the Air Carrier Access Act does. Weaker than the ADA, but still...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. The airline erred on the side of caution
Mon May 9, 2016, 02:59 PM
May 2016

For starters that's a lawsuit waiting to happen if the kid has an attack, and an even bigger headache will come when the plane has to divert...

Either way, the family got re-booked and they got an apology so case closed...

uppityperson

(115,681 posts)
16. Indeed. Family and airline were concerned about his safety, so put on another flight without
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:21 PM
May 2016

the risk. If you know your child, or yourself, is that allergic, check ahead of time to make arrangements.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
113. If they had already served peanuts since this plane was cleaned, it would be dangerous
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:03 AM
May 2016

The parents' request implies that their child was very, very allergic to peanuts - environmental exposure, not direct exposure was dangerous to the child. At least that is a reasonable conclusion.

lame54

(35,345 posts)
60. wouldn't serving pretzels instead...
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:34 AM
May 2016

be accommodating on the side of caution

there is usually more than one way to handle a situation

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
62. Uh no...
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

I'd like my peanuts...

How far do we take this? Request all stewardesses and passengers in the immediate area shower down to remove any perfume or cologne with sensitivities?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
75. Do you mean on that particular flight, or on all flights?
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

People with peanut allergies can be so sensitive that even peanut particulate can trigger a reaction. If peanuts had been served on that plane earlier, there would still be a risk of reaction no matter what they served for that child's flight.

If you mean airlines should stop serving peanuts altogether, I'm inclined to agree.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
88. I have allergies too
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

I'm allergic to assholes, screaming kids, and anyone with a red shirt on.

If I buy an airline ticket I make it very clear none of the above can fly with me

Bob41213

(491 posts)
131. Yeah, the initial few paragraphs made it sound bad...
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

No refund, just kicked off according to the family on facebook. Then the article clarifies the reasons they did what they did.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. I never really considered
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

this but I never eat on an airplane and instead always have trail mix and peanut m&ms - always those two food items. What if the person next to me had a severe peanut allergy? Which one would/should get tossed?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
25. It would probably be a good idea to change your choice of snacks.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

Just in chase. The person next to you might not announce they have a peanut allergy until its too late.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. I ALWAYS have peanut
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

m&m's with me (whether on a plane or not). Nobody has died yet and I'm trying to figure out why someone's dietary restrictions should be my problem. I detest the smell of beer and gin - quite literally makes me nauseous. Should I inform whoever is sitting next to me on a plane/train?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
30. Could the smell of beer and gin kill you?
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

No. However, to someone with a peanut allergy, even the tiniest bit of peanut residue, especially in the closed environment of an airplane, could be deadly.

I realize you ALWAYS have to have peanut M&M's with you, but how about a little compassion and caution? The statement that "why someone's dietary restrictions should be my problem" is about as anti-progressive and anti-tolerant as you can get.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
34. Uh - no
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

If someone is THAT allergic and they're depending on airplanes actually being clean, they shouldn't be flying. So I should stop carrying a snack around I've always carried around on the off chance there is someone with a deadly allergy on the plane/train? I don't think so. And I'm getting sick to death of anonymous posters deciding what is and what isn't progressive or tolerant - I already know what progressive is and I don't really care how YOU define it.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
122. ^^ This
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:08 AM
May 2016

If his allergy is so severe why on earth are they WAITING until they are actually boarding the plane to say something instead of discussing it with the airline beforehand?

This whole situation could have been easily avoided if the parents had taken the responsible steps beforehand, in other words talking to the airline company BEFORE boarding the plane. They go to their seat, wipe it down, let the flight crew know when the attendants come by to offer drinks etc "We spoke to your airline rep about the allergy, no plane food for my kiddo please." and wala. No problem. In many cases airlines will create a buffer zone around the person with the allergies, that being said they aren't required to do so and on Allegiants own website they state they don't guarantee allergen free flights. In this particular case, where the two year old had a bad allergic episode the weekend just before the flight- it's even more horrifying to me that the parents didn't contact the airline before boarding the plane.


This jumped out at me from this article-
http://www.sfgate.com/aboutsfgate/article/peanut-allergies-nuts-airline-policies-Allegiant-7423014.php

"In the case of the Dana family, a statement from Allegiant said that when the in-flight crew learned of the child's allergy, a call was made to a third-party organization that advises Allegiant and other carriers when making decisions about the safety of passengers with potential medical issues onboard an aircraft.

"The third party organization, which includes on-call medical doctors available to provide guidance, advised that the family not fly on that specific flight," the statement read.

Allegiant went on to put the Dana family on another flight, which got them home a few hours later. The airline also issued an apology, but the parents still feel they were treated unfairly."

So everyone is ticked at the airline because they CYA'ed themselves, then provided the family with another flight which was prepared for the allergy of the child. I'm sorry but I certainly wouldn't want to be blamed for a 2 year old's death or hospitalization.

Again, this all could have been avoided if the parents had taken 15 minutes out of their busy schedule to contact the freaking airline. Wow, just wow.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
96. It's a slippery slope of accomodation...
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

At what point does it become their problem?

Peanuts? Gluten? Perfume? Fat folks can't be near the cheesecake my wife packed for me?

In the end, it really is their problem.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
105. You seem to need to trivialize people's life-threatening allergies
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:00 PM
May 2016

with your facetious cheesecake example. That's not a good-faith slippery slope argument. That's just illustrating the scorn you have for other people who aren't you.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
106. Daytime TV and parenting blogs account for many of today's supposed peanut allergies...
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 10, 2016, 11:05 PM - Edit history (1)

In any case, I can only control myself and it is incumbent on the individual to find a way to deal with their problem and it is unreasonable to expect everyone else to accomodate them.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
112. Which part?
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:34 PM
May 2016

The first world problem of self inflicted allergies or the part about taking responsibility for ones own health?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
132. There's snacks with peanuts in them
Wed May 11, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

sold all over the airport! Surely, I'm not the only one to pick up a bottle of water and a snack before I board?

Flying is a dangerous proposition for someone with such a severe peanut allergy. I don't know what the solution is, but safety just can't be guaranteed unless the plan has just been cleaned and sanitized, and any peanut products are confiscated as passengers are boarding.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
68. That's my feeling
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

just as my anxiety about flying and not wanting to talk to anyone on an airplane is entirely my problem. But so far I've been called intolerant and not progressive because I don't cater to everyone's personal issues.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
71. Peanut allergies are a first world problem...
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

Literally...

I remember talking to an aid worker in Africa. They dispensed this peanut paste to local families who were hit by a drought.

One of my guys asked about peanut allergies and the doctor laughed in his face.

mainer

(12,037 posts)
79. They are, but the allergies are real. Various theories about why.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:07 AM
May 2016

It's now recommended that all infants be exposed to peanut butter. it may be that first world infant diets are so restrictive that the children develop allergies to everything they're not continually exposed to.

Akin to the "hygiene hypothesis," about why kids who are raised on farms have very low rates of asthma and allergies. Babies need to be exposed to dirt and pollen and animals.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
89. That makes perfect sense
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:59 AM
May 2016

and reminds me of a George Carlin (may he rest in peace) bit. He claimed he was never sick - because when he was growing up he swam in the polluted Hudson River and had built up so much immunity that germs were afraid of him.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
5. I would bet there's more to this story
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

If that child's allergy is severe enough, there's no way the parents would agree to stay after making such a request. And on the flip side, I'd be nervous as hell as an airline to get up in the air and know some kid could go into an allergic reaction.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
13. They were probably bugging other passengers too........
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

"Don't eat those peanuts....They're too close to my baby!!!"

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
69. I'm gonna need a list of everything you've eaten in the last 48 hours...
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:38 AM
May 2016

... Broken down by ingredient.

Little Braden here has an allergy you know and we are forces to share your air.

...

No, he's never actually had symptoms but I did see it on Dr. Oz and my homeopathy book says...

*headphones go on *

liberal N proud

(60,352 posts)
57. I am sure there is much more to the story
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

Something is not being told here.

Were they assholes about the airlines decision and made a scene?

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
127. Severe allergies can be legit, but parents can be extemists, too
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

The issue at our school and a few others in district got so out of hand, all peanut snacks were banned, and no food at parties district-wide (22 schools). I have a child allergic to too much to list, our only request was that he not sit adjacent to peanut/tree nuts during snack time (pre-banning), and the surface be wiped. It was easy to accommodate.

On a plane, they have special service lines you can call to make pre-flight arrangements after you book, or as you book. They're really quite accommodating. We've never requested an allergy free flight, but they do ask about allergies, and we weren't offered anything on the risk list. So maybe they block it? No idea. We have to bring g-tube/enteral feeding supplies, and he needs more accessible seating. So they provide us with a special seating area with more room to get in bags/access our son, and my husband and other son are usually behind us or the next row over. Crew was wonderful. We boarded first. Honestly, if people take the time to read and plan for their accommodations, it would be a lot easier on them, and all those around them.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
12. No one else flies to Provo.
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:09 PM
May 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provo_Municipal_Airport#Airline_and_destinations

Airlines Destinations
Allegiant Air Los Angeles, Oakland, Phoenix/Mesa


I suppose they could have flown to Salt Lake and driven down there, though.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
14. Yeah, that really stinks. I have the same issue trying to get to Grand Rapids.
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:14 PM
May 2016

It's either take Allegiant, or fly into Chicago or Detroit and rent a car, or take puddle-jumper from there.

I swore I would never fly Allegiant again, though, and so far, it has only meant that I haven't been to see the relatives for a few years....

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
17. I won't fly Southwest either because I have to have an assigned seat.
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

Yes, I know it sounds like I'm a total princess, but I have a severe phobia about flying, so I HAVE to know where I'm sitting ahead of time, as one of my coping mechanisms.

The rush, rush, cattle-call of SW flights give me a nervous breakdown.

I know, I know, I'm a precious little snowflake.

This is why I avoid flying in general.....

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. That doesn't make you a princess
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

I would never fly without a seat assignment ahead of time. I can't get stuck in a middle seat simply because I don't need someone on both sides of me if I'm flying across the country. It's uncomfortable.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
31. Thanks! As consumers, we kind of have to look out for ourselves.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

And, as flying for me is a REALLY BIG DEAL, every aspect of it matters.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
36. Yep. I invested in noise-canceling headphones, worth every penny.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

I'm never without my iPod, and my battered, old copy of "Emma". I rarely actually read it, though.
I take some Benedryl after I'm settled in my seat and that usually puts me out, or at least zones me out enough that I don't have panic attacks.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. I can't recommend a kindle
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

highly enough - there's pretty inexpensive now and you always have something to read - you can go from poetry, to biography, to just plain silliness. A very good weapon for those who hate flying.

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
74. I believe he was kicked off a plane for refusing to turn his off when told by crew.
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

Now he does commercials for Kindle.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
43. Dang! Thank you so much. I never thought of getting some noise-cancelling headphones
Mon May 9, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

You have made my day and future flying much more bearable. I sincerely appreciate you sharing that with us.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
72. Plantronics back beat pros
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 10, 2016, 12:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Decent price, wired or wireless and amazing for flights.

I wear them on C 17s and go right to sleep


http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-BackBeat-Wireless-Canceling-Headphones/dp/B00MBWIL0G

EllieBC

(3,052 posts)
28. I don't have a phobia regarding flying and I hate the cattle call.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

It gives me anxiety. I flew Southwest once when I was in the US and thought "why would anyone want to fight for a seat?!?!".

Coventina

(27,224 posts)
32. I know, right? It's not like there's enough stress involved in air travel,
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

even without my personal issues.

madinmaryland

(64,934 posts)
42. I have flown Southwest dozens of times and have no problem with the way
Mon May 9, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

the plane is boarded. I always pay the extra $10 to get in the first group boarding and was able to get an aisle seat. That included flights from Baltimore to Seattle. Never a problem with them.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
77. Actually it makes you cute!
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

I think it is good to know oneself so well that you do what you need to to be happy and comfortable! And you fix it yourself instead of demanding accomdation. Very solid!

kcr

(15,329 posts)
104. I don't have a phobia, but I won't fly Southwest for the same reason.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

It's completely ridiculous that they don't have assigned seating and I refuse to fly with them because of it. I don't blame you one bit.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
7. I thought they have to be in contact with the airlines in advance? I could be wrong but
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

not after the plane has been stocked with snacks marked for no kind of allergy alert?

LisaM

(27,850 posts)
59. That sounds more likely.
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:25 AM
May 2016

I have been on one peanut-free flight and they announced it prior to takeoff, so presumably they had ket the airline know in advance.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
124. some airlines won't accommodate that
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

and some peanuts allergies that aren't so severe don't need that. Usually just not sitting next to a person eating peanuts is all they need.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
129. And sometimes not even that is needed. I have sat next to my cousin in a car' s back seat
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:52 PM
May 2016

where he has had a person on each side eating peanuts close quarters etc.
But put that peanut in his mouth 2 secs later his throat closes up and he can't breathe!
He knows some one who could be two rows away from someone and a peanut would cause a very severe reaction
You are correct severity varies

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
8. Perfect analogy for the fallacy of the Second Amendment.
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:05 PM
May 2016

Rather than eliminate the threat (do we really need peanuts on airplanes?) they eliminate the family.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
10. I fly quite often
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

Occasionally, the flight attendants will come on the PA and announce they won't be serving any peanuts and for all passengers to not eat or have any nuts.

However, dust from nuts are throughout every plane as the cleaning between flights is minimal.

I can see the airline being cautious, on the other hand, if their son can't survive standard transportation maybe driving is safer.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
11. Why not check with the airline ahead of time?
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016

Some airlines are more willing to work with passengers than others, but that's something that should be checked ahead of time, not when you're already on the plane.

The family didn't get booted because of his allergy but because the airline couldn't guarantee his safety.

Initech

(100,145 posts)
18. I wouldn't fly Allegiant if they paid me.
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

They're one of the worst of the worst. Spirit might be a slight step above but neither airline is good. I hope this family sues the shit out of them.

WhiteTara

(29,736 posts)
21. I was thinking of flying Allegiant
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

because it flies non stop from northwest Arkansas into Los Angeles for an incredibly low fare. What makes them worse than United?

Initech

(100,145 posts)
23. Well...... there is Yelp.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

Apparently the issue of extremely rude flight attendants is not an isolated incident from this story - apparently it's a problem that is wide within their network. Extremely long delays are also very common.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/allegiant-airlines-oakland

WhiteTara

(29,736 posts)
33. Oh, it sounds like United
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

I am sure they go to school to be as rude as possible. I hadn't thought about Yelp, but I'll go check out some comments.
Thanks

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
39. I have had far worse experiences on United and American than I have ever had on any LCC
Mon May 9, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

For whatever reason the low-cost carriers seem to have fewer abusive and psychotic front-line employees.

I have flown Allegiant to Hawaii a bunch of times, no problems.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
19. if a kid is that allergic, keep him in a damned bubble!
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016

Jeebus, that family needs to drive everywhere with such a fragile kid, and they should stop trying to make the rest of the world accommodate to their precious snowflake.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
20. You would think there would be some way to desensitize people with such allergies.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

As I recall, these types of severe food allergies, especially peanuts, are a relatively new phenomenon. Some say it's due to lack of exposure early on. But it seems it would be easier to treat one patient instead of making the rest of the world free from whatever he is allergic to.

Horse with no Name

(33,959 posts)
41. There are doctors in some of the larger children's hospitals that are doing that
Mon May 9, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016
https://www.childrens.com/specialties-services/specialty-centers-and-programs/allergy-and-immunology/programs-and-services/food-allergy

As a result of its close affiliation with UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas, Children’s Food Allergy Center is home to groundbreaking basic science and clinical research in food allergy.

Clinical Trials
Oral Immunotherapy

112009-006: Dendritic Cell Responses to Viral Stimulation in Peanut Allergic Subjects Undergoing Peanut Oral Immunotherapy


Oral immunotherapy is an experimental treatment for food allergies. Small, escalating, amounts of peanut flour are fed to peanut allergic patients to increase their tolerance.
Must be between the ages of 3-16 with a peanut allergy to participate in this study.
Enrollment currently on hold


pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
52. They are working on it, but in the meantime, in the real world, there are children every year
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:14 AM
May 2016

who die of peanut allergies.

EllieBC

(3,052 posts)
22. Anaphylactic shock is not a special snowflake situation.
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

It's quite real and deadly.

That said if I had a child with a severe enough allergy that the reaction could be triggered by peanut dust, I wouldn't bother flying as the planes aren't cleaned that well anyway.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
101. Ridiculous question
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

What is nasty is you calling me nasty just because you disagree with me.

I'm just advocating that people use common sense in these instances. Would you want everyone with an allergy to announce it to the flight crew of every flight and then insist that everyone who could be dangerous must be tossed from the flight?

So a person announces that he/she is allergic to perfume, should everyone who has already applied perfume to their bodies be kicked off the flight because of that one person's allergy?

If that's what you are advocating, then no one would be able to fly anywhere!

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
103. You just called a child with a life threatening allergy a "special snowflake." That is nasty.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

How many people have you heard of who have died from perfume reactions? But people die every year from peanuts.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
114. Again, if someone is so allergic to peanuts that
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:49 AM
May 2016

Being on the same airplane with someone else who is eating peanuts causes him/her to die, then the highly allergic person could die going to a movie, or to a baseball game. Your solution is to ban peanuts at all those venues because of a few allergic people; that's nuts

And stop calling me nasty. Your obsession with that word suggests more about your disturbed disposition than mine.

pnwmom

(109,024 posts)
115. Where did I offer a solution? I criticized your name-calling. Those families go through enough
Wed May 11, 2016, 12:51 AM
May 2016

without having people mocking them with words like "special snowflake."

matt819

(10,749 posts)
24. Has to be more to this story
Mon May 9, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

A family with a child with a peanut allergy would not wait until boarding to mention this. And they would/should know what the protocols are for protecting their child from his peanut allergy. They probably do this with his school and his classmates, etc. They should protect him from this when grocery shopping, especially in the prepared foods and bulk foods area.

To raise a stink like this, well, it just stinks. And while we have all had lousy experiences with flight attendants and gate attendants, and bad airlines, I find it hard to believe that the flight attendant would come back and just say, tough you're out of luck, you're off the plane, not our problem. Rather, the more likely response is that they couldn't protect their son from exposure and would book them on another flight and take precautions re the allergy.

I'm getting an allergic reaction to this story.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
47. Good
Mon May 9, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

they're being unreasonable and stupid. Proximity to peanuts is not sufficient to trigger anaphylaxis in allergic individuals. There have been multiple studies on this. As long as their kid doesn't ingest peanuts? They'll be fine, even if someone in a nearby seat is eating peanuts.

mnhtnbb

(31,418 posts)
54. I was on a flight recently where there was a woman who told the flight attendants she had
Tue May 10, 2016, 06:21 AM
May 2016

a peanut allergy. She was wanting to restrict peanuts in the area where she was sitting, too.

After we took off, the flight attendant made an announcement that someone with a peanut allergy was flying
with them today and because of that, they would not be serving peanuts with drinks. To anyone.

No problem.

womanofthehills

(8,815 posts)
65. Peanut dust can cause a reaction - a large number of people opening peanut packages at the same time
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016

in a small space like an airline. Someone walking on peanut shells, or cooking food with peanuts - steam can carry peanut proteins in the air.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
80. Then that dust from the previous flight, and the hundreds of flights before that would be all over
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

the plane.

If one is THAT sensitive to something so common, it's up to YOU to take special precautions, not demand everyone around you accommodate you.

Perhaps had the family notified the airline AHEAD of time, instead of as they were buckling into the seats, this would've benn a very different experience. YMMV, of course.

womanofthehills

(8,815 posts)
108. the airlines suggest that someone with a peanut allergy
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

take a very early plane that has recently been cleaned. Makes you not want to fly late in the day.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
109. And that is good advice. Unfortunately, many want to be accomodated instead of
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

taking their own precautions.

Much like the family in the OP.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
130. Dust is not the same as aroma.
Wed May 11, 2016, 04:54 PM
May 2016

Opening a bag of peanuts on a plane doesn't introduce enough "dust" in the air to cause a reaction.

Most likely, peanut residue left by another passenger causes reactions.

http://allergicliving.com/2014/08/21/anaphylaxis-in-the-air-two-recent-airline-incidents/

moriah

(8,311 posts)
66. Yes, but even trying to watch a toddler like a hawk...
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

... if a package was in reach, it could be deadly.

For a very small child, I understand the request.

Bettie

(16,148 posts)
76. That was my thought too
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

And I do not know how an airline could reasonably search each and every passenger to for possibly-peanut-containing snacks that they brought themselves.

My husband flies a lot and carries snack mix with peanuts.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
61. They can't promise the airplane is going to be peanut free at that point
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:08 AM
May 2016

It's too late to make that accommodation. I don't see how they were left with any choice to do otherwise. Just not serving peanuts doesn't make the airplane peanut free. I've flown on peanut free flights and I've been alerted ahead of time that I can't open anything with peanuts on the plane and why. You can't just tell the flight attendant at the last second and expect the plane to be made safe. People bring their own food on airplanes.

And at that point, they were faced with a potential health crisis and potential lawsuit. What else could they do?

marmar

(77,118 posts)
64. I'm shocked by the "They'll pry my peanuts from my cold, dead fingers" responses....
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

..... to this OP. Would it really hurt to give up peanuts for a few f**king hours so someone can fly without the risk of dying? Jeezus.


womanofthehills

(8,815 posts)
70. Agreed
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:39 AM
May 2016

Sounds like a bunch of people with a Trump mentality - me, me, me.

The numbers of kids with peanut allergies has doubled since 2007. Here is an interesting article about keeping babies away from peanut dust so they are not exposed to peanut proteins too early.

MILWAUKEE, WI – According to a new study, led by King’s College in London, infants who have impaired skin barriers and are exposed to peanut proteins – which can be found in household dust – are more likely to develop sensitivities to peanuts.

The article was published on November 18 in The Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology (JACI), an official journal of the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology (AAAAI).

“Our findings point to a biological plausibility that environmental peanut exposure might be sensitizing children through an impaired skin barrier,” first author Helen Brough, MA (Hons), MSc, MBBS, FRCPCH, explained in the study.

The study examined the amount of peanut proteins which 359 infants, from a high-risk cohort, were exposed to by vacuuming and analyzing household dust found on the living room floor. Peanut-based food can leave peanut proteins behind in household dust, even after regular cleaning.

The children, aged 3-15 months, were considered to be at a high risk of developing peanut allergy because they were either allergic to cow’s milk or egg and/or prone to eczema. In this study, researchers found that exposure to dust with peanut proteins doubled the risk of peanut allergy. Children with a history of eczema were at greater risk.







https://www.aaaai.org/about-aaaai/newsroom/news-releases/dust-peanut-allergies

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
82. I'm shocked by the "I can't believe others don't respect my entitilement" responses...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

Had the family notified the airline AHEAD of time, instead of while they were buckling into the seats, accommodations could have been made. The expectation that one can go into a public space and demand on the spot that everyone comply with their special need is absurd.

marmar

(77,118 posts)
83. That's fine, that's your opinion.
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

I'd be perfectly happy if airlines stopped serving peanuts altogether. Nobody's going to keel over without them. There are other snacks.


cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
86. I'd be happy if people started taking responsibility for themseves...
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

instead of always expecting others to accommodate them, then whine and complain when they don't.

This family could have handled their situation in a much more responsible manner.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
117. Why do you care so much?
Wed May 11, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016

Maybe I object to your "other snacks"!

Maybe people should follow my advice. Gas the fucking passengers as soon as they get on the plane and wake them up when they get to the destination. Then everyone would stop being such assholes worrying about everyone else doing math and eating peanuts!

marmar

(77,118 posts)
121. I just don't see the big deal with forgoing one f**king type of snack, especially....
Wed May 11, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

..... when so many people are allergic to it. The strident, "they're taking away my freedoms" backlash against this is just puzzling.


dilby

(2,273 posts)
120. Plane has already been flying with passengers eating peanuts.
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:44 AM
May 2016

Kid should have never been on the plane, the cabin and air system was full of peanut dust. Parents should have picked an airline that does not serve peanuts, we did it with my daughter when she was young.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
125. One of my kids has a severe peanut allergy, and
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

in person we've experienced only kindness when we've asked people very close to her if they'd not eat peanuts.

Also, since she was very young, kids her age have universally been kind about allergies. For whatever yet undetermined reason allergies are so prevalent now, the kids are accustomed to having kids with food allergies around them.

mainer

(12,037 posts)
73. plane seats are covered in peanut dust. All planes unsafe for this family.
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Even if peanuts weren't served on this particular flight, they would have been served on the previous flight, and the traces are there.

womanofthehills

(8,815 posts)
78. How different airlines handle peanut allergies
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:04 AM
May 2016

Southwest suggests boarding an early morning flight when the plane is cleaner and to notify at time of booking plane and they will accommodate.

https://www.verywell.com/want-a-peanutfree-flight-learn-airline-allergy-rules-1324387

Pisces

(5,604 posts)
81. The mother should be grateful. What if there was a medical emergency in the air? What if
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

The cleaners left some trace peanuts behind??? Would the airline be liable now that they were
Made aware of his allergy? This is an inconvenience, however, this is one they have been dealing with since birth, so figure it out.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
85. a plane serves peanuts, would it not already be full of peanut dust from the first haul it made
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

planes are not really deep cleaned every time. if the kid had a anaphylactic shock because a passenger decided to take a bag of peanuts and walk past him, then what?

there should have been an explanation and a refund for sure though.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
98. Yes - this has to be set up ahead of time
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

And it can be set up ahead of time. By the time this mother said something, it would have been too late to make an accommodation. I think peanut allergies should be accommodated, but it requires an earlier notification.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
107. I agree, it is only a problem for the airline if they arranged it before hand.
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:29 PM
May 2016

too many things could have happened if they only told the airline after they arrived for the flight, that is the difference.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
119. I guess the parents said he has a severe allergy to peanuts.
Wed May 11, 2016, 03:41 AM
May 2016

And since its so severe that he can't even have them near him the airline decided to protect itself by not letting him fly. The plane has been circulating peanut dust for days they may have saved his life and prevented a lawsuit.
My daughter is severly allergic to peanuts, but we know for her to have a reaction to dust she would have to be in a peanut factory, however if she eats peanuts and doesn't have her epipen she is most likely going to die.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
123. Yup. Damages for failure to act could be far greater than damages for deplaning the family.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

The repercussions for removal from the aircraft are minimal, but for the safety of the child.

The repercussions for not acting and then having a dead child removed from the plane or face a lawsuit for all this, no comparison.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
126. Someone needs to tell dad that you don't get it both ways.
Wed May 11, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

If his son "has a severe peanut allergy" (dad's words), then it's the job of the parents to keep him safe and pay attention to airline policies:

Allegiant says on its website that the airline "does not guarantee an allergen-free flight" but that it "will attempt to re-seat a passenger affected by an allergy in an effort to minimize the passenger's exposure to the allergen."


In a truly mixed message to the airlines, the father says

As they were boarding, Sara, 28, told a flight attendant Theo had a severe peanut allergy and asked if "they could make any small accommodations such as not serving peanuts during the flight," Kyson said. He added that he and his wife carried an EpiPen just in case of an emergency and reiterated that "the airline wasn't accountable for anything that could happen."


Uh-huh, because the airline would really believe that they wouldn't be held accountable if there was a problem.

And suddenly that allergy wasn't so bad and the parents decided it was OK to fly, but it was too late to walk back the "severe peanut allergy" statement.

Allegiant also sent the following statement to ABC News: "Upon boarding flight 1005 on May 2, 2016, the Dana family indicated to our flight crew that their son had a severe peanut allergy. The flight crew then contacted a third party organization that advises Allegiant and other carriers when making decisions about the safety of passengers with potential medical issues onboard an aircraft. The third party organization, which includes on-call medical doctors available to provide guidance, advised that the family not fly on that specific flight.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-family-removed-allegiant-air-flight-sons-peanut/story?id=38927044

The moral of the story is to keep your story straight - either your child is severely allergic and cannot be around peanuts, meaning you take proactive steps to ensure his safety and will not risk his health flying on a plane that doesn't meet the necessary standards
OR
Your child's allergy is not that severe and does not require that the airline change it's policies, so you don't need to manipulate a plane full of people.
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