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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:27 PM May 2016

Thought exercise: Let's stipulate we lose the "Democratic Republic" choice

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It seems fairly likely that Bernie is not going to be allowed to take a popular majority into the partisan electoral process, at this point.

Thus, we will be left with the choice on November 8th:

Oligarchy

vs.

Kakistocracy

As much as I'd like to revive the fading embers of the democratic republic, that does not appear to be among our choices. We may be forced to decide between oligarchy and kakistocracy. The pros and cons of each are unappetizing, but it's best to be realistic.

Oligarchs tend to maintain a minimal awareness of the necessity to keep up the appearance of a functional, if grotesquely corrupt, governing capacity. This occasionally creates cracks, where the desirability of appearing to appease popular sentiment becomes necessary. An oligarchy, if the oligarchs support a moderately competent executive, can preserve some level of civil order, maintain some level of infrastructure, and enable sufficient economic activity to engage their helots and support the services and appearance of normality from which the oligarchs themselves benefit.

They keep the wheels on, in other words. If they delegate competent executives and maintain some awareness of the need to balance repressive authoritarian responses to challenges to their authority against 'keeping up appearances,' they generally avoid wholesale slaughter, bloodshed, displacement, and genocide.

The downside to this side of the choice is that in maintaining a minimal comfort level for their helots and sustaining the appearance of "normalcy," it can take longer and be more difficult to ultimately destabilize, overthrow, and replace oligarchs with more democratic government.

This should be balanced against the awareness that our oligarchy is large and very complex, and there are some opportunities to create divisions among them, play off factions within the oligarchy against one another, and accelerate destabilization that way.

A kakistocracy's one "pro" is usually the speed of devolution, and the shattering chain reactions of upheaval as incompetence produces unrest which is met with authoritarian repression, undermined by further incompetence to produce further unrest and the wheels come off fairly quickly.

The cons to that side of the equation are the human costs of bloodshed, civil disorder, pogrom, repression, disease, massive environmental catastrophe, and chaos, in the process of the kakistocracy's failure and ultimate replacement. In such environments it can be difficult for democratic revolutions to maintain equilibrium. Catastrophic failure of a kakistocracy usually results in a series of further devolutionary regimes such as competent authoritarian dictatorships, repressive totalitarianism, and other forms of backlash, before democratic government can be re-established.

So, if the choice DOES come down to Oligarchy versus Kakistocracy, I shall reluctantly choose the former.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

wearily,
Bright

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Thought exercise: Let's stipulate we lose the "Democratic Republic" choice (Original Post) TygrBright May 2016 OP
GDP Kingofalldems May 2016 #1
This is about the General Election, not about the Democratic Primary. n/t TygrBright May 2016 #4
You mentioned a candidate's name. Kingofalldems May 2016 #6
I'm sure if Skinner wants it locked or moved, it'll be locked or moved. n/t TygrBright May 2016 #9
No your bringing your Primary shit here edhopper May 2016 #8
I shudder. Meanwhile, I think this should be in GDP. nt silvershadow May 2016 #2
See response to reply #1. n/t TygrBright May 2016 #5
Ah, my apologies nt silvershadow May 2016 #7
you misspelled "kaka-ocracy" Bucky May 2016 #3
LOCKING THREAD AS SOP VIOLATION LostOne4Ever May 2016 #10

Kingofalldems

(38,422 posts)
1. GDP
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:30 PM
May 2016

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
4. This is about the General Election, not about the Democratic Primary. n/t
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:04 PM
May 2016

Kingofalldems

(38,422 posts)
6. You mentioned a candidate's name.
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

According to Skinner this is GDP.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
9. I'm sure if Skinner wants it locked or moved, it'll be locked or moved. n/t
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:13 AM
May 2016

edhopper

(33,479 posts)
8. No your bringing your Primary shit here
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

and Clinton has over 2 million more votes.

Should be locked.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
2. I shudder. Meanwhile, I think this should be in GDP. nt
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:38 PM
May 2016

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
5. See response to reply #1. n/t
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:05 PM
May 2016
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
7. Ah, my apologies nt
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
May 2016

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
3. you misspelled "kaka-ocracy"
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:49 PM
May 2016

rule by shits

LostOne4Ever

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10. LOCKING THREAD AS SOP VIOLATION
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:20 AM
May 2016

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