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Sat May 7, 2016, 09:27 PM

Thought exercise: Let's stipulate we lose the "Democratic Republic" choice

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It seems fairly likely that Bernie is not going to be allowed to take a popular majority into the partisan electoral process, at this point.

Thus, we will be left with the choice on November 8th:

Oligarchy

vs.

Kakistocracy

As much as I'd like to revive the fading embers of the democratic republic, that does not appear to be among our choices. We may be forced to decide between oligarchy and kakistocracy. The pros and cons of each are unappetizing, but it's best to be realistic.

Oligarchs tend to maintain a minimal awareness of the necessity to keep up the appearance of a functional, if grotesquely corrupt, governing capacity. This occasionally creates cracks, where the desirability of appearing to appease popular sentiment becomes necessary. An oligarchy, if the oligarchs support a moderately competent executive, can preserve some level of civil order, maintain some level of infrastructure, and enable sufficient economic activity to engage their helots and support the services and appearance of normality from which the oligarchs themselves benefit.

They keep the wheels on, in other words. If they delegate competent executives and maintain some awareness of the need to balance repressive authoritarian responses to challenges to their authority against 'keeping up appearances,' they generally avoid wholesale slaughter, bloodshed, displacement, and genocide.

The downside to this side of the choice is that in maintaining a minimal comfort level for their helots and sustaining the appearance of "normalcy," it can take longer and be more difficult to ultimately destabilize, overthrow, and replace oligarchs with more democratic government.

This should be balanced against the awareness that our oligarchy is large and very complex, and there are some opportunities to create divisions among them, play off factions within the oligarchy against one another, and accelerate destabilization that way.

A kakistocracy's one "pro" is usually the speed of devolution, and the shattering chain reactions of upheaval as incompetence produces unrest which is met with authoritarian repression, undermined by further incompetence to produce further unrest and the wheels come off fairly quickly.

The cons to that side of the equation are the human costs of bloodshed, civil disorder, pogrom, repression, disease, massive environmental catastrophe, and chaos, in the process of the kakistocracy's failure and ultimate replacement. In such environments it can be difficult for democratic revolutions to maintain equilibrium. Catastrophic failure of a kakistocracy usually results in a series of further devolutionary regimes such as competent authoritarian dictatorships, repressive totalitarianism, and other forms of backlash, before democratic government can be re-established.

So, if the choice DOES come down to Oligarchy versus Kakistocracy, I shall reluctantly choose the former.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

wearily,
Bright

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Reply Thought exercise: Let's stipulate we lose the "Democratic Republic" choice (Original post)
TygrBright May 2016 OP
Kingofalldems May 2016 #1
TygrBright May 2016 #4
Kingofalldems May 2016 #6
TygrBright May 2016 #9
edhopper May 2016 #8
silvershadow May 2016 #2
TygrBright May 2016 #5
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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 09:30 PM

1. GDP

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #1)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:04 PM

4. This is about the General Election, not about the Democratic Primary. n/t

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #4)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:08 PM

6. You mentioned a candidate's name.

According to Skinner this is GDP.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #6)

Sun May 8, 2016, 12:13 AM

9. I'm sure if Skinner wants it locked or moved, it'll be locked or moved. n/t

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #4)

Sat May 7, 2016, 11:09 PM

8. No your bringing your Primary shit here

and Clinton has over 2 million more votes.

Should be locked.

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 09:38 PM

2. I shudder. Meanwhile, I think this should be in GDP. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #2)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:05 PM

5. See response to reply #1. n/t

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Response to TygrBright (Reply #5)

Sat May 7, 2016, 10:08 PM

7. Ah, my apologies nt

 

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Response to TygrBright (Original post)

Sat May 7, 2016, 09:49 PM

3. you misspelled "kaka-ocracy"

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Sun May 8, 2016, 12:20 AM

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