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NickB79

(19,299 posts)
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:23 AM May 2016

If the Fort McMurray fire hits the oil sands refinery there, it will cause a 14-km wide blast!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36235175

There is also concern about oil facilities, particularly near Nexen's Long Lake oil extraction site.

"We're looking at a blast area of about 14 kilometres if that plant were to go," said Sgt Jack Poitras.


That's nuclear warhead territory there!
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If the Fort McMurray fire hits the oil sands refinery there, it will cause a 14-km wide blast! (Original Post) NickB79 May 2016 OP
an area of 14km is not 14 km wide. nt. uncle ray May 2016 #1
So it's all good then. truebluegreen May 2016 #3
Ah, thanks for the correction. nt NickB79 May 2016 #7
I think they mean 14 sq km, not 14 km wide. HooptieWagon May 2016 #2
That is still an immense area csziggy May 2016 #6
So worst case would have a blast diameter of 2.6 mi. Igel May 2016 #8
Just a taste of what the beginning of Nuclear Winter would be like. PeoViejo May 2016 #4
Canadian friends have been told that the concentration of petroleum Warpy May 2016 #5
It says it's the refinery that would do the damage as it exploded. Igel May 2016 #9
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
2. I think they mean 14 sq km, not 14 km wide.
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

And it's probably a worst case scenario, assuming a 100% efficiency of combustion. It will be much less.

csziggy

(34,140 posts)
6. That is still an immense area
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

1 Square Kilometer = 247.105381 Acres

240 acres is huge. My farm is 60 acres and measures a half mile long and 330 yards wide so 240 acres is a half mile by 990 yards, over a half mile wide.

14 square kilometers = almost 3460 acres, over 5 sections (5.4+). A section is 1 square mile, so they are talking about a blast area of about 2.25 square miles or over 1.5 million square feet.

The West Fertilizer Plant Explosion severely damaged structures 2000 feet from the blast (http://www.csb.gov/file.aspx?DocumentId=732) - that's not even half a mile away. The blast they are talking about would encompass an area at least four time larger.



The Texas City Refinery explosion occurred on March 23, 2005, when a hydrocarbon vapor cloud exploded at the ISOM isomerization process unit at BP's Texas City refinery in Texas City, Texas, killing 15 workers and injuring more than 170 others.

The pressure wave was so powerful it shattered windows off site up to a distance of three-quarters of a mile (1.2 km) away. An area estimated at 200,000 square feet (19,000 m2) was burned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Refinery_explosion#Explosion





Igel

(35,390 posts)
8. So worst case would have a blast diameter of 2.6 mi.
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

1.3 mi radius. Yeah, that's large.

I don't know what "blast radius" means here, though. Is it the size of the fireball, i.e., the area burned? The size where all buildings are leveled? Or just where windows are broken?

I want to assume it's the area set on fire. I don't know what definition this Canadian spokesman's using, though, or how precise he wanted us to think his figures were.

But 14 sq km is nothing like blast radius of 4.2 miles (14 km diameter), as mistakenly assumed by one poster. That wouldn't cover an area of 5 1/2 sq miles but an area of 222 sq miles.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
4. Just a taste of what the beginning of Nuclear Winter would be like.
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:51 AM
May 2016

Something to think about.

I feel for the Wildlife caught-up in this tragedy.

Warpy

(111,458 posts)
5. Canadian friends have been told that the concentration of petroleum
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

in the so called oil sands is so low that it would take a nuke to combust any of it and the fire might endanger buildings and equipment but not what the people there are digging up. Refining into usable products is done elsewhere.

Yeah, I thought so, too.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between environmental Armageddon and the vision of a few burnt out trucks and no other damage.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
9. It says it's the refinery that would do the damage as it exploded.
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

Most of the oil sands oil is exported for refinery. Hence the pipeline they wanted to build and all the rail cars we keep hearing about.

Not building the pipeline keeps prices up and makes putting refineries nearby more likely, instead of using pre-existing facilities in, say, Houston or NJ.

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