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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEmail received from Tim Canova - DWS is really one sick puppy.
Sunday, at the grand opening of the Broward County Democratic Party's new headquarters, I spoke in a crowded room with Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I asked if she had read the letter we had sent last week. She said she had not read any letter from our campaign, even though we had sent it to three of her addresses, including her campaign headquarters, her DWS PAC, and her office at the Democratic National Committee.
I then produced a copy and said I was happy to hand deliver it. She refused to take the letter and told me to give it to one of her staffers. I said I would, and I told her the letter was proposing a series of debates throughout the district. I asked her if she would agree to scheduling debates. She asked how we could have debates when no one has even filed yet. I reminded her of what she said recently about the Democratic presidential debates on The Daily Show, that she would want the candidates to debate every day, and I'm proposing a lot fewer than every day. She cut off the discussion without agreeing to a single debate.
Later, when I was leaving the party, I noticed her staffer standing near a doorway. I thought, well at least I can hand her staffer the letter proposing a series of debates. But she refused to accept the letter, she said she had nowhere to put them. I suggested she put them in one of the two huge pocket bags she had over each of her shoulders. She said there was no room and that she had read the letter already.
Thats fine, for now. If the Wasserman Schultz campaign wants to play games and lash out at me and my staff, then well stay focused on talking to the voters about the progressive vision we have for this country.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)They're one in the same to many people.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)and your post is about DWS, but then you wrote "not in my lifetime." Which is it? Do you support her or not? Your post is schizophrenic.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)It's his sig line, which has no bearing on his post. Furthermore, it's a cautionary tale told in one sentence, not an advocation of the idea.
Calling the poster "schizophrenic" is not only uncalled for, it's against the rules here. I will not speak to whether this poster supports DWS, although the answer to that question should be obvious, but I can tell you that I very much do NOT.
Do you?
scscholar
(2,902 posts)I said that his post was.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)FBaggins
(26,697 posts)Do I now get to claim that I haven't said anything about your intelligence?
Don't lie now.
A post cannot be schizophrenic. It has no mind of its own. It does not have the physiology, the psychology, or the humanity to be schizophrenic.
By calling the post schizophrenic you were clearly inferring that malady upon the author of the post.
Own it!
I suggest using such inferences does not help your argument, and in fact only serves to bring your own motives into question.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Have a nice day, now.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)"A state characterized by the coexistence of contradictory or incompatible elements."
I was correct. From dictionary.com.
Dustlawyer
(10,493 posts)"It depends on what the definition of 'is' is."
red dog 1
(27,648 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)On Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:42 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
In your post, you wrote that anyone could be President...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7753962
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Not cool to call someone schizophrenic..
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:46 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: *Post* is called schizophrenic, not the OP.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post indicates some comprehension issues and a deep misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is, but I'm not convinced this is a personal attack or slur. It's a clumsy attempt to indicate the individual thinks a post is contradictory, but I don't see anything worse than someone with an inability to communicate effectively. I think most people who read this exchange will grasp that.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter: Not cool to fail this obviously at reading comprehension, or to waste our time. My guess is, disingenuous alert?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Reading Comprehension for the loss. The post that was alerted on failed in reading comprehension for the post he or she was replying to, and the alerter failed reading comprehension for the post alerted on. Good game folks, that's a wrap.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A pretty stupid post (see what I did there?) - but note hide-worthy
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: agreed... leave off the personal attack and the post would have been fine. Hide it.
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Madmiddle
(459 posts)is as bogus as calling Hillary Clinton a Democrat. It's just not right and it needs to stop!!! This is more like a Republican site every day. So very, very sad!!!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts).... is hardly as disruptive as amnesty.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Based on winning the votes of Democrats.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)You are confused by my sigline - that's not part of my post. I see you're a gungeoneer. Maybe you need to calm down before you touch any firearms. Yes, that was uncalled for, but so was schizophrenic.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)responded to was made in under two minutes. It's a tactic of the CS Cave to grab the first response slot and try to highjack the thread. Best solution is to ignore them, esp the first post. It's not easy to get the first slot, one has to hit refresh multiple times and then type a message in less than two minutes.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)You'd think they are worried about the math. Great point, though. I guess I was caught off guard by such a bizarre post.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Ilsa
(61,675 posts)I don't understand how anyone can draw that conclusion.
Iggo
(47,489 posts)And who are these many people?
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)lark
(23,003 posts)She's a blight that needs to be removed.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)face palm. and people think I should read before i write.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Is this the action of a grown woman, let alone a powerful Congresswoman and DNC Chair? Wow; just wow!
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)handing Republicans seats on a plate - check
disparaging the progressives - check
hawkish on foreign policy - check
even to the point of undermining Obama and Kerry - check.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)So there's that.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)They're one in the same to many people.
Hotler
(11,353 posts)Fuck NO! There are good people in the party and there are shitty people in the party. Guess which one I think DWS is.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)who she allies herself with is disturbing. The ends justify the means.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Beware opportunists dressed in Dem clothing. DWS ain't the only one. Not by a longshot.
djean111
(14,255 posts)And votes with her GOP cronies in Congress.
But WE are supposed to always vote for the letter "D".
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Not necessarily a republican one. Sound like their is a group of financial people or something else that has its members planted in both parties.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Then she could be turned into a vegetable - ergo - "a plant".
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Pipeline stays open, too.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)TryLogic
(1,721 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,073 posts)Democratic Underground for Tim Canova FL-23: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/du4timcanova
SalviaBlue
(2,910 posts)Just donated. Thanks OS!!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)of DWS and the DNC. Though I still hold to Democratic principles, I don't feel they do.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)I don't think I will be able to have any part of supporting a war hawk corporatist.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)If you guys don't watch her show Veep, you are really missing out.
That show is hilarious.
Tab
(11,093 posts)My first thought goes to "Dancing With the Stars".
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)A La Martin Luther.
Funtatlaguy
(10,856 posts)Tim to beat DWS.
Really, really, really bad.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)She does not have a lot of respect for her opponent. Not knowing much about things there in Florida, I cannot say if that is right or wrong. I will say though, that here in Kansas, we do sometimes have people run for office that do not deserve much respect.
And I am not just talking about myself.
She has the upper hand, and is not gonna take chances and help her opponent. That's what most people would do if they had the upper hand. Unfortunately chances are very, very good that she will win handily. Maybe unfortunately - I do not know much about this Tim fellow. He sure spent a lot of time here not talking about any substance, but just telling some dramatic story.
Although their people skills do seem weak. It is simple enough to take the letter and then put it in the trash later.
I do not know if using debates is an effective campaign strategy for Tim. I'd be scared to debate her myself. 1) She is probably a very capable debater, 2) she has staff to help her prepare, and 3) she's been in Congress and in state offices for a long time - as such she has probably gained a whole bunch of knowledge on a whole bunch of issues that the average person simply can not match. Unless Tim is a wonk, or a savant, or has a whole bunch of experience in office, she's probably gonna mop the floor with him in a debate.
That doesn't mean she'd make a better Congressperson, but I'd be realistic about debates. Incumbents just have tremendous advantages in that arena.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)But I'm going to continue funneling money to Canova until I break my account.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)He's asking for them, she is shying away.
Her district is solid blue and I imagine just about any politician that is a genuine liberal would be able to mop the floor with her in that district.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)because he needs the publicity
she's avoiding them, because she doesn't.
Okay, it says he is a law professor and an expert in finance, so he's probably a formidable debater. He also would seem to be a member of the upper class.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I fail to see the relevance of his income or wealth as a result of his profession.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)Wish I had money to give him. Still giving Bernie money! Up to about 800 bucks!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)It would be so Awesome to see DWS go down!
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I ,too, contribute to Bernie whenever I can.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, Elmer S. E. Dump.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)...she is just worried as heck because what would normally be a local, unchallanged run has turned into a nationally recognized race with a progressive candidate. Given this cycle's progressive and anti-establishment (DWS couldn't get any more establishment) sentiment, combined with the nation wide support of her progressive, non establishment opponent, she is very worried to lose her little fiefdom especially as the head of the DNC. She knows she can very well lose, and will do anything to not lose.
red dog 1
(27,648 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)money manipulation
Keep all your efforts right out there in the sunshine, Tim. Let people see how terrified she is of engaging with you. Do some mock debates? Anyway you can debate the repub candidates?
DNC and DWS and clinton herself are driving me away. I will change to Indie after the primary.
Thank you for the post.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Gmak
(88 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)How I hope FL gives her the boot.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And defends predatory payday lending..
I thought those were good "progressive" values!
Gman
(24,780 posts)Without Sanders he's got nothing. What an opportunist.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)better than tv
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Do you like DWS better as a candidate? If so, why?
.
deacon_sephiroth
(731 posts)Can't think of the name.... who could it be?... Makes character statements, doesn't back them up. Likes the word loser.... if only I could narrow it down. Do you also think he's "low energy" by any chance?
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)Because that's what DWS is for.
glinda
(14,807 posts)I am stunned that people find this behavior worthy to still vote for these kind of people.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And if you're saying to yourself "Who's Rick Lazio?", that should tell you everything you need to know.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)she is, after all, a Repukkkian in Dem clothing...From her track record, she likes debates only at times most people will not watch...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)enthusiasm to take control of local organizations and work our way up.
DWS is a disgrace to the DEmocratic Party.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That money would be going to these crooks. I donate to good ones like Canova directly.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)... They are not getting equal payoff money from both candidates like they are used to in contested democratic primaries. The establishment hates nothing more than losing expected payoff money.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)gsb54
(89 posts)Acting as though Tim is not a valid challenger.
I just donated to Tim.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)mariawr
(348 posts)Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)are a real steaming pile of work.
They need to fucking be put out of work.