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Mark my word - Snyder will resign (Original Post) malaise Jan 2016 OP
I want him in jail Proserpina Jan 2016 #1
We may get both malaise Jan 2016 #6
+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #34
Mayor too yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #51
The mayor had been relieved of duties, by the emergency Manager Proserpina Jan 2016 #56
Exactly!!! Heads need to roll on this one. They willfully poisoned people!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #79
+100. Hortensis Jan 2016 #72
Word - marked! postulater Jan 2016 #2
I hope this wakes the good people of Michigan up n2doc Jan 2016 #3
Not likely, not yet Proserpina Jan 2016 #10
Encouraging prediction, malaise. What is saltpoint Jan 2016 #4
I'll have to look it up malaise Jan 2016 #17
Ok. But I am grateful for the saltpoint Jan 2016 #19
Yes, we'll go from bad to worse n/t snpsmom Jan 2016 #29
We will still have his minions to deal with, and they are no better Siwsan Jan 2016 #5
Hmm...you may be confusing Snyder with someone who has a conscience joeybee12 Jan 2016 #7
You ssee those emails that show they changed data to continue poisoning African- malaise Jan 2016 #12
Ricky boy is worth $200 million. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #23
I think he should be personally sued along with his city managers and all their wealth stripped and hollysmom Jan 2016 #52
Watch for a P.R. campaign similiar to what went down Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #8
They are going to lose this one malaise Jan 2016 #13
Hopefully so Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #14
Rachel got a 'big up' from the mayor and Chris Hayes malaise Jan 2016 #30
Good on for Michael Moore. Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #36
Senator material or something more important, a Lobbyist. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #9
NO way! Proserpina Jan 2016 #11
Be nice to think something will happen, but I've gotten to cynical. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #15
As Lily Tomlin said Proserpina Jan 2016 #20
:) Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #22
OK, got it marked... so we'll see. I'm less confidnent than you... HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #16
Probably not too happy if he's managed to poison them also. nt babylonsister Jan 2016 #18
41% of Flint residents are poor white people malaise Jan 2016 #21
How many bottles of water purchased by safeinOhio Jan 2016 #24
You tell me malaise Jan 2016 #31
No, he won't. n/t demmiblue Jan 2016 #25
He should and so should Rahm Emanuel and for basically the same reason tularetom Jan 2016 #26
It's because none of these assholes Facility Inspector Jan 2016 #27
Agreed n/t malaise Jan 2016 #28
Absolutely. n/t TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #38
Exactly.... paleotn Jan 2016 #32
he should also be arrested, charged, hopemountain Jan 2016 #33
His excuse "There IS a good market for it" ErikJ Jan 2016 #35
Jail is too good for him. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #37
One can still hope that this also unravels the illegal takeover scheme as well. nt silvershadow Jan 2016 #39
Is this the city that the state took away local control of a few years ago? Jim Beard Jan 2016 #40
I believe that's Detroit jhart3333 Jan 2016 #41
And Detroit Schools, Leith Jan 2016 #44
Both Flint and Detroit and many more Proserpina Jan 2016 #45
Okay, it becomes clear to me now. They showed up with the austerity program from Hell jhart3333 Jan 2016 #47
and put Detroit's Water Works in jeopardy too Proserpina Jan 2016 #48
K & R MoreGOPoop Jan 2016 #42
Chicago area Proserpina Jan 2016 #46
Thank you! MoreGOPoop Jan 2016 #49
the kochs were required to build building to enclose that crap. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #54
The fuckers lose over and over malaise Jan 2016 #62
You betcha. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #63
Thank you! MoreGOPoop Jan 2016 #84
This cannot be tolerated. It must be investigated and those responsible must be prosecuted. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #43
Avvie changed KamaAina Jan 2016 #50
Good idea Kalidurga Jan 2016 #55
I will hold you to that, malaise Skittles Jan 2016 #53
As my Scots grandfather from Detroit would say, "I hae me doots." KamaAina Jan 2016 #57
Why, is he caught on tape eating a child? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #58
He will not resign..... ViseGrip Jan 2016 #59
He should Liberal_in_LA Jan 2016 #60
MSNBC Shankapotomus Jan 2016 #61
Are you serious? malaise Jan 2016 #66
His oss should be in f**king Jail! Stellar Jan 2016 #64
I hope Obama flies into Flint tomorrow malaise Jan 2016 #65
So can he just pick up and fly there...I don't know how that works. Stellar Jan 2016 #67
He'll be in Detroit some time tomorrow for a car show malaise Jan 2016 #68
Obama is meeting with the Mayor of Flint in DC malaise Jan 2016 #70
Mayor? nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #71
arrgh! yep...what was I thinking? Stellar Jan 2016 #74
It probably wasn't you. Autocorrect is so darned hyperactive that it will turn the tblue37 Jan 2016 #75
I'll look out for that...LOL Stellar Jan 2016 #78
He won't edhopper Jan 2016 #69
Don't underestimate the resilience of the RWNJs in this state MrScorpio Jan 2016 #73
Resignation will be nice but I would like to see him prosecuted Gothmog Jan 2016 #76
Never happen - sociopaths don't feel shame or responsibility hatrack Jan 2016 #77
Sadly not even for kids they lead poison. lonestarnot Jan 2016 #81
Oh, please don't let him resign... Stellar Jan 2016 #80
The state comes in and takes over local government and looks for ways to save money. B Calm Jan 2016 #82
Republicans never resign, never apologize bermudat Jan 2016 #83
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
51. Mayor too
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jan 2016

I can't believe someone running the city didn't know what was going on. Both must resign and maybe charged.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
56. The mayor had been relieved of duties, by the emergency Manager
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

that Snyder appointed. Said manager is now busy demolishing Detroit's public schools...and yes, he belongs in a long-term penitentiary, too.

The mayor had nothing to do with it. The whole city's population were enslaved to the governor's whims. They had no democracy; they were under Occupation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
72. +100.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:48 AM
Jan 2016

Reform of governance can't happen without accountability and punishment for betrayal of duties.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. I hope this wakes the good people of Michigan up
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

And they kick the R's out in the next election, regardless of how much money DeVos spends on ads .

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
10. Not likely, not yet
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jan 2016

There's no buzz, no awareness....

Trouble with Michigan is it's a bunch of little fortresses, not a unified state. Very provincial in many ways. People who can afford cottages are a little less blinkered, but not much.

Grand Rapids couldn't care less about Flint, Detroit, or Alpena. And vice versa.

There aren't any state-wide programs to build unity and equal interest. Everything is local, and falling apart.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
4. Encouraging prediction, malaise. What is
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

the mechanism there for replacement? Would the Lt. Gov. automatically take over?

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
19. Ok. But I am grateful for the
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jan 2016

outcome you've set up for us. The people of your state deserve a public servant in that officed and not the guy who's in there now.

Siwsan

(26,291 posts)
5. We will still have his minions to deal with, and they are no better
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

We need to weed out his whole administration because I suspect they are all complicit.

safeinOhio

(32,722 posts)
23. Ricky boy is worth $200 million.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jan 2016

Lets start with half of that to show he has a conscience. $100 million aught to be enough for his kids that don't have a led problem.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
52. I think he should be personally sued along with his city managers and all their wealth stripped and
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jan 2016

then they should be moved to live in Flint.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Watch for a P.R. campaign similiar to what went down
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:56 PM
Jan 2016

in Wisconsin with The Snotie. All those ALEC folks are not going let this happen. Koch Brothers have way to much to lose on this one.

malaise

(269,174 posts)
13. They are going to lose this one
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

It's going to be huge. Don't miss a beat of this one. This specific shit is over.

malaise

(269,174 posts)
30. Rachel got a 'big up' from the mayor and Chris Hayes
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016

Michael Moore will be on Chris Hayes tomorrow night.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
20. As Lily Tomlin said
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016

"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."

She's a Detroiter, so she should know.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. OK, got it marked... so we'll see. I'm less confidnent than you...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jan 2016

Outside of MI we find this abhorrent. Inside MI I'm not so sure what Snyder's base feels.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
26. He should and so should Rahm Emanuel and for basically the same reason
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jan 2016

They both knew something wrong was going on and instead of taking action to stop it, they organized a conspiracy to cover it up.

 

Facility Inspector

(615 posts)
27. It's because none of these assholes
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jan 2016

have a soul.

They are morally and ethically bankrupt. The apotheosis of alienation vis-a-vis cold, calculating, imperial corporatism.

paleotn

(17,970 posts)
32. Exactly....
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jan 2016

if you live in a community not wealthy enough to buy politicians, it can also happen to you. We are all from Flint.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
33. he should also be arrested, charged,
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jan 2016

convicted and sentenced to drink and bathe in lead contaminated water for the rest of his life.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
44. And Detroit Schools,
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jan 2016

and Benton Harbor, and Pontiac, and a few others.

Wouldn't it be great if Obama said he would appoint an emergency manager for the state to clean up Snyder's mess?

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
45. Both Flint and Detroit and many more
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:40 AM
Jan 2016


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/michigan-emergency-manager-law-cities_n_2876777.html
Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder announced Tuesday (March 15, 2013) that the state would appoint an emergency financial manager to Detroit. Beginning Monday, Washington D.C. bankruptcy lawyer Kevyn Orr will begin examining the city's finances in the hopes that in the next 18 months he can make a dent in its massive debts.

Detroit is only the latest city (and Michigan's largest) to come under control of an emergency financial manager.

Other cities have fallen under control of EFMs since PA 72 was introduced in 1990, with the aim of allowing the state to intervene in municipalities and school districts facing financial emergencies. Snyder strengthened the law when PA 4 came into effect in 2011, giving an emergency manager extended powers. State voters repealed PA 4 last year, but another law goes into effect in late March that gives an emergency manager the power to dismiss elected officials, abrogate labor contracts, sell off public assets and impose new taxes on residents.

Detroit will be one of six cities under an EFM, leaving nine percent of the state's population without democratically elected leadership, according to census figures. However, most of the cities are majority African-American. Orr's appointment in Detroit will put 49 percent of the state's African-American population under EFMs. African-Americans make up about 14 percent of Michigan's population.


Financial emergency in Michigan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_emergency_in_Michigan

The financial emergency status, along with the Emergency Financial Manager (EFM) position, was first created in Public Act 101 of 1988 for the specific emergency in Hamtramck. Public Act 101 was amended by Public Act 72 of 1990, allowing an Emergency Financial Manager to be appointed for any local governmental unit. PA 72 in turn was replaced by Public Act 4 of 2011, which renamed the position to Emergency Manager (EM) and gave the Manager additional authority.

When the Referendum petitions were approved by the Michigan State Board of Canvassers on August 8, 2012 under orders from the Michigan Supreme Court, PA 4 was suspended and the previous version, PA 72, was reinstated.[2] All current EM except for Michael Brown in Flint were reappointed as EFM by the Local Emergency Financial Assistance Loan Board. Brown was previously a Flint City employee in the past five years and was not eligible under PA 72 to be an EFM.[3] The Sugar Law Center filed to challenge PA 4 and PA 72. PA 4 was repealed by Michigan voters in the 2012 general election,[4] and the Michigan Legislature subsequently passed Public Act 436 of 2012 to replace the revived Public Act 72.[5]

On May 1, 2013, the City of Ecorse was moved from under an emergency manager to a transition advisory board, which includes the previous emergency manager.[6] On July 2, a school district dissolution provision was passed into law allowing financially struggling school districts to be dissolved.[7] On July 18 with the Governor's authorization, Detroit's manager filed Chapter 9 bankruptcy.[8] In August, a transition advisory board was appointed for the City of Pontiac which included the then emergency manager.[9]

For the City of Detroit, the state legislature passed a separate law forming a financial review commission to exercise financial check on city government as it exited bankruptcy and emergency management.

Dissolved school districts
Buena Vista School District (Michigan), July 30, 2013[24]
Inkster Public Schools, July 25, 2013[26]

List of Emergency Managers

Local Government Term Manager Governor

Allen Park October 2012–September 2014 Joyce A. Parker Rick Snyder

Benton Harbor Apr 2010 - Jan 2013 Joseph Harris Jennifer Granholm
Benton Harbor January 2013–March 2014 Tony Saunders Rick Snyder
City of Detroit Mar 2013– December 10, 2014 Kevyn Orr Rick Snyder
City of Ecorse Oct 2009 - Apr 2013 Joyce A. Parker Jennifer Granholm
City of Flint Jul 2002 - Jun 2004 Ed Kurtz John Engler
Dec 2011 - Aug 2012 Michael Brown Rick Snyder
Aug 2012 - July 2013 Ed Kurtz Rick Snyder
July 2013 - October 2013 Michael Brown Rick Snyder
October 2013 - January 2015 Darnell Earley Rick Snyder[35]
January 2015–April 30, 2015[36] Jerry Ambrose Rick Snyder[37]
Hamtramck City 1988-?
December 2000[38]- Feb 2007 Louis Schimmel John Engler[39]
July 2013 – Dec 2014 Cathy Square Rick Snyder [40]
Highland Park Dec 2000 - Mar 2005 Ramona Henderson Pearson John Engler
Mar 2005 - Apr 2009 Arthur Blackwell Jennifer Granholm
Apr 2009 - Jul 2009 Robert Mason Jennifer Granholm
Pontiac Aug 2010 - Oct 2011 Michael Stampfler Jennifer Granholm
Oct 2011 - August 2013 Louis Schimmel Rick Snyder
Three Oaks Village December 2008 - December 2009 Pam Amato Jennifer Granholm
Detroit Public Schools Mar 2009 - May 2011 Robert Bobb Jennifer Granholm
May 2011 – January 2015 Roy Roberts Rick Snyder
January 2015 - present Darnell Earley Rick Snyder
Muskegon Heights School District April 2012 - present Donald Weatherspoon Rick Snyder
Highland Park Schools Jan 2012–present Jack Martin Rick Snyder
October 2012 - present Donald Weatherspoon Rick Snyder


jhart3333

(332 posts)
47. Okay, it becomes clear to me now. They showed up with the austerity program from Hell
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:02 AM
Jan 2016

and poisoned those kids?

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
48. and put Detroit's Water Works in jeopardy too
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:07 AM
Jan 2016

Everybody wins! Big chance to privatize all that water....when the system goes bankrupt for loss of income.

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
42. K & R
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jan 2016

Got on his mailing list after petitioning him. In his emails you get the
feeling he's pushing his creds in the 'comeback state', as if the koch
roaches might try to run him as the repug candidate, since Walker is
compromised. Speaking of kochs, does anyone know where their
mountain of mercury-containing pet-coke on the Detroit River got
moved to?

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
54. the kochs were required to build building to enclose that crap.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jan 2016

And to prevent any leaching.
Time will tell, as will the good citizens of Indiana. The prevailing winds blow directly into their state.

malaise

(269,174 posts)
62. The fuckers lose over and over
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jan 2016

Snyder will resign - the Feds are not going to allow him to turn a self made disaster into a major federal disaster.

He's lied his ass off tonight.

Michael Moore on Chris Hayes

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
57. As my Scots grandfather from Detroit would say, "I hae me doots."
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure Slick Rick will find someone, or a few someones, to fall on their swords instead.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
58. Why, is he caught on tape eating a child?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jan 2016

Because that's about the only way any Republican will ever resign for anything.

Being a conservative: You never have to say sorry for anything.

malaise

(269,174 posts)
68. He'll be in Detroit some time tomorrow for a car show
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

He can helicopter over as suggested by Michael Moore.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
75. It probably wasn't you. Autocorrect is so darned hyperactive that it will turn the
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jan 2016

most thoughtful post into gibberish if you don't watch out. It has certainly happened to me often enough!

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
73. Don't underestimate the resilience of the RWNJs in this state
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jan 2016

These fuckers are almost impervious to reality.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
80. Oh, please don't let him resign...
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jan 2016

He should be kicked out of office first, brought up on charges and then throw his monkey ass in jail for a 100 years and a day.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
82. The state comes in and takes over local government and looks for ways to save money.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jan 2016

One of the first things the Governor does is change where Flint gets it drinking water. Yesterday he takes blame and in the next breath points his finger at national and local government. He needs to be impeached and removed from office. He should face a prison sentence for this, but like most Republicans will get away without taking any personal responsibility!

bermudat

(1,329 posts)
83. Republicans never resign, never apologize
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jan 2016

That takes the ability to feel shame, which requires a soul.

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