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Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:48 PM

There is nothing about Donald Trump or his personality that is even remotely admirable or likable.

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Or redeemable.

Nothing.

You might recall the Seinfeld episode where George and Jerry are discussing Jerry's nemesis/neighbor Newman with utter contempt, when George pauses and says, "Well, he's merry." Against all that he believes about Newman, Jerry is forced to concur: "He is merry, I'll give him that."

In the world of partisan politics, at times we are forced to admit that even the worst of your opponents might have some sort of admirable qualities when one puts everything else aside. Yes, Reagan traded arms for hostages, turned his back on the AIDS crisis, and was otherwise a clueless empty suit in the Oval Office....but he did have that vague Old Spice scented grandfather fogeyness about him where we'd all expect for him to pull out a quarter behind the nation's collective ears. George W. Bush plunged the nation headfirst into Iraq and the worst economic crisis since the 1930s, but there was the whole folksy faux cowboy thing about him that probably wouldn't have been so disconcerting had he not been the most powerful man on the face of the earth. And there was always a sense of classic tragedy behind Nixon's paranoia and feelings of inadequacy.

But that's all in the past. And now you get to this man, the current beast we have to deal with:



And for the life of me, I cannot think of one single quality or attribute about Donald J. Trump that comes off as likeable or admirable. I just can't.

He's ugly, both inside and out, but will insist that he's anything but that. He's not funny or original in his thinking. He's been a horrible husband, a horrible businessman, and really horrible about everything he's ever done in his horrible little life. His self-flaunted riches and fame are the result only of a situation he was born into and not in any way the result of anything he's actually had to work for. He's stupid, with his limited vocabulary that he only seems to use to bring other people down. He fails to put forth any ideas that could at least be praised for their ingenuity or specificity. He wants to kick old ladies out of their homes so he can build tacky casinos on their land. He breaks promises to pay for the medical care of his deceased brother's infant grandchild out of spite against said deceased brother. He gleefully cheers the loss of people's jobs at Macy's because Macy's previously had the gall to discontinue his cheap clothing line. He's a reality TV show star--need I say more?

And now he's using the bully pulpit to self-aggrandize himself in his own little Cluster B narcissistic bubble, and the fuel he's using is hatred and paranoia and whipping people up into witch hunt like frenzies against immigrants and refugees, Hispanics, Muslims, women, and anyone who doesn't genuflect before his own graven image.

So with all that in mind, I can't say but I'm rather non-plussed at the fact that this man has any sort of popular support, that anyone with even a limited amount of intelligence would consider him suitable for the Presidency. For some reason, I'd like to think there's something in the collective human mind that would make us automatically reject such an awful, horrible, terrible human being.

And yet, he survives. And he thrives.

The only other political figure in modern American history where I remain at a complete loss in trying to think of anything remotely positive or admirable about would be Dick Cheney.

But even he played a great Darth Vader. Trump, on the other hand, would be lucky enough to be Jabba the Hut.


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Reply There is nothing about Donald Trump or his personality that is even remotely admirable or likable. (Original post)
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 OP
randys1 Jan 2016 #1
hifiguy Jan 2016 #9
EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #2
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #4
EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #11
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #14
EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #20
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #34
EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #35
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #3
Hayduke Bomgarte Jan 2016 #6
mnmoderatedem Jan 2016 #25
Kalidurga Jan 2016 #26
Saphire Jan 2016 #28
spanone Jan 2016 #5
hifiguy Jan 2016 #7
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #13
hifiguy Jan 2016 #15
First Speaker Jan 2016 #17
hifiguy Jan 2016 #22
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #32
safeinOhio Jan 2016 #8
SummerSnow Jan 2016 #10
First Speaker Jan 2016 #12
hifiguy Jan 2016 #16
guillaumeb Jan 2016 #18
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #19
Odin2005 Jan 2016 #21
Johonny Jan 2016 #23
smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #24
ladjf Jan 2016 #27
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #29
Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #30
lonestarnot Jan 2016 #31
tavernier Jan 2016 #33
Angel Martin Jan 2016 #36
lunatica Jan 2016 #37

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:53 PM

1. This common criminal thug, who made his fortune off of throwing old people out of their homes

is the epitome of proof that I am right when I say capitalism is a major failure.

When a system rewards the likes of him, Koch Bros, Walton Family, etal, you have a crap system.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:04 PM

9. He is, indeed, the logical end point of capitalism.

 

Fascism is the final and inevitable end stage of decaying capitalism.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:54 PM

2. I'm a big fan

Of the way he endlessly trashes his opponents in the GOP.

Comedy gold.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:59 PM

4. We Democrats can do it better. Way better.

And our criticisms go way beyond calling someone a "dummy" or a "loser".

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:05 PM

11. Can we?

I've rarely seen it happen.

Trump literally mocks Jeb to his face every time he sees him.

Not sure which Democrats are doing that.

I see things online. But cmon to the man's face. In public. Over and over. It's pretty amazing.

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:18 PM

14. Maybe not as a party, but on an individual basis, yes.

Hell, I lived under Jeb for eight years and I've been able to find a whole host of reasons where I can show where he was corrupt or ineffective.

None of them involved him being a "loser."

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:34 PM

20. he says more than "loser"

and I meant on a national stage where it counts... nothing has damned Bush to obscurity more than Trump endlessly mocking his low energy, or telling everyone how ashamed his family is of him...

I think Trump is a despicable human being, BUT I do love his destruction of the GOP candidates... I can't help myself...

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Response to EdwardBernays (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:41 PM

34. I couldn't care less whether or not Jeb's "low energy."

I only care that he was a shitty governor with shitty policies and would extend those shitty policies and ideas to the Presidency. His "low energy" is the very least of the problems.

Trump's superficial insults are completely meaningless and lacking in thought when there's so much more to criticize the GOP field.

And I wish his insults were at least funny, but they don't even manage to be that. They sound like something a third grader comes up with.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:45 PM

35. Grand

Saying that, substantive arguments have little impacts on ideologues. However making someone look like a loser in public is a great way to make the herd distance themselves from them.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:55 PM

3. I never thought I could dislike a political figure more than I disliked George Bush.

Trump, however, is even more loathsome than W, who was stupid, self-absorbed, lazy, and probably drunk most of the time. But I don't remember that W went out of his way to be cruel, insulting and overtly racist and sexist like Trump. I wish Keith Olbermann was still around to do his Worst Person In The World segments - Trump would probably win almost every time.

If W was a national embarrassment, I don't know what you can call Trump. He's way, way beyond embarrassing.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:01 PM

6. Every breath he draws is

A sheer waste of oxygen.


ETA:

Dunno how this happened, thought I was paying attention, but this was supposed to be a reply to the OP.

Very sorry.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:30 PM

25. at least W had the sense to lie about committing war crimes

trump has already stated twice that he will do so.

What an idiot

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:37 PM

26. I know right, he is so vulgar and so horrible a person I can't even smile when I make fun of him.

It's more like a grimace and it feels more like my brain is going arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg than ha ha ha I just made fun of a stupid Republican.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:43 AM

28. "goes out of his way to be cruel...." << this.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:59 PM

5. that picture alone just screams 'fuck you'.

is that what republicans want in a president? looks like it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:02 PM

7. Il Douche is such a spectacular and unreconstructed vulgarian

 

in every way possible that he seems to have stepped fully-formed out of a very bad screenplay. He's gross, venal, boorish in the extreme and wouldn't even be plausible as a lesser Bond villain. Unfortunately, the Vulgar Talking Yam is real.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:14 PM

13. I'm trying to think of an analogous literary or movie character.

Maybe Willie Stark? Buzz Windrip? Greg Stilson? Or is truth even worse than fiction?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:20 PM

15. The best I can come up with is

 

Mister Creosote.



From what I've heard of the Farrelly Brothers' movies - none of which I have seen, but from Roger Ebert's descriptions in his collections of vicious reviews "A Horrible Experience of Interminable Length" and "Your Movie Sucks" (both of whih I highly recommend for the comedy alone) - some character from one of their cinematic turds might be in the ballpark.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:23 PM

17. Maybe Rufus T Firefly and Willie Stark combined?

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:39 PM

22. Firefly was just incompetent.

 

But he had the saving grace of being hysterically funny.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 11:55 AM

32. Like I said, maybe Jabba the Hutt.

Crass, vulgar, makes his money from gambling, loves to show off his trophy women.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:03 PM

8. there is nothing

that comes off as likeable or admirable about his supporters.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:05 PM

10. The more hate he spews his party soaks it up like a sponge..

this is the kind of leader they desire, and have for a long time.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:12 PM

12. I can think of one good thing about Trump--he isn't Ted Cruz

Cruz scares me a lot more than Trump does. Trump is everything you've called him, but his actual actions as President wouldn't be nearly as devastating as Mountie Boy's would be...

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:22 PM

16. True, Trumpolini is not religulously insane

 

and suffering from a literal messiah complex. Tailgunner Ted actually believes he's Dog's Anointed One, and a dominionist theocrat to boot. tRump's just a spectacularly ignorant vulgarian.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:23 PM

18. At least he is not a twin. eom

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:27 PM

19. That is true.

Although if he did have a twin, I'm guessing he'd be the evil one.

So I'm guessing Ronald Trump would probably volunteer all his time at soup kitchens or something like that.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:01 PM

21. To ther average Neo-Fascist his shitty qualities are a good thing.

RW Authoritarians have a pathological obsession with "strong leaders", which is why you have so many wingnuts praising Putin.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:59 PM

23. He hates what I hate

That's pretty much the common thing people tell me. He says what he thinks and he thinks little of anyone not him so he trashes pretty much everyone equally from time to time. For the neo-conservative that thinks Paul Ryan is too liberal to be speaker. He's a great man. The one thing we've figured out is some 40% of GOP likely voters hate everything, and I mean everything.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:11 PM

24. Your assessment of his personality is spot on.

He is such a revolting specimen of humanity, it is almost unreal. Even W had a few decent qualities. Of course, I would have to dig them up, but Trump makes W look like a gentleman. This man is the epitome of the VERY UGLY AMERICAN.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:44 PM

27. If Trump has any good qualities that would make him suitable as President,

they aren't apparent to me. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:49 AM

29. I was thinking - no presidential candidate ever is worse for "I'd like to have a beer with them"

Everyone else comes across as someone you could have a conversation about something with - their grandchildren, their pets, music, sports, something. Or meaningful political conversations with some (mainly Democrats). But I'd avoid a room with Trump in at a party - you know he'd be trying to make everything about him.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:07 AM

30. Empirical evidence proves that you are wrong.

A large number of people do in fact admire and like him.

I agree with you that this is surprising, but it's a fact that cannot be denied.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:20 AM

31. He is like a fucking train wreck that spews the arrogance of a rich gas bag within a crowded space.

 

He makes it easy to hate his way of thinking. Greed promoting the iron fist class, racism and manipulation are his tools that only make his train wreck look worse, which captures attention and the inability to look away affect.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:38 PM

33. CNN just now announced that in a survey of

republicans in Iowa, a substantial number of them reported that they are so disgusted with Trump, they would rather see Hillary win if Trump was the GOP nominee. They are very interested to see if this is a growing trend.

Uh, yah... Me too!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:58 PM

36. Trump makes Don Rickles seem polite

so there is that...

One thing Trump does do is to break down the political equivalent of the "4th wall" at his speeches and rallies.

It's "post-modern" campaigning, where a self-regarding candidate tells you how he is campaigning using self-aggrandizing tactics to achieve a self-serving result.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:34 PM

37. You're probably being too kind to him

I've always found him to be a cynical boor, ham handed, narcissistic and not very bright. His working vocabulary is completely limited to adjectives like 'disastrous' repeated over and over again. Rarely does he even finish a sentence or even use one. Even George W. Bush could express himself better. From what I've read about him not even the rich or 'high society' in New York like or accept him. His idea of what is beautiful is garish. His biggest schtick is his ability and profound desire to humiliate anyone and everyone in the most crass way he can think of. His strength is that Trump wannabes love him. His followers would love to be able to say the things he does, though I suspect many of them do it in the privacy of their homes and in their circle of friends. I've met and even had in-laws who were like that. They hate with a profound fury because they feel cheated of their right to mistreat everyone and anyone they want to. In their eyes they are the victims of the unfair and unearned rights of minorities. In the name of Jesus they hate everything Jesus espoused.

Fortunately they are old for the most part and they'll die out, but not before they're left behind by the rest of us. Especially the younger generations (I'm a boomer, so I've had to live with these people all my life). But that won't last.

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