DI - I kind of like those folks - I'm glad I got the opportunity to engage with them

[Aerows]

I wouldn't have done so if DU hadn't been down. There are some articulate and interesting people around there

[Photographer]

1. I was once locked in a room full of chimps.....

[Aerows]

2. You know, this sort of binary thinking

that someone is either an ally or an enemy is what diminishes the human experience.

I can appreciate traits, opinions, creations and ideas from people I don't explicitly agree with, and I refuse to constrict my experience of the world because somebody I supposedly shouldn't like said something I supposedly should disagree with.

Get a grip.

[trumad]

4. Misogyny, Racism, Homophobia, Anti-Science----

Hey whatever the fuck floats your boat.

[pintobean]

5. All of those charges are leveled at DUers

here every day.

[joshcryer]

66. Except if a DUer compared the PP killer...

...to a woman who has an abortion, they'd be subsequently banned from here.

It's one thing to hold the opinion such as "I am for choice but I would never have an abortion," or "I'm against abortion and want there to be less abortions but I wouldn't want it banned."

It's an entirely different matter to compare people having an abortion to fucking domestic terrorists.

That's just one of the dozens of threads I could pick apart there. I almost got into the climate change threads but I've been down that road with conservatives before. Climate change is their modern creationism. Same argument style used. Nevermind the famed hockey stick is one of the most accurate datasets known to man and even the Koch funded climate minimalist Richard A. Muller couldn't find anything with Berkeley Earth, after many millions were spent trying to disprove the data.

[Aerows]

8. Are you leveling those charges at me, Trumad

Because of the "company I keep"?

[trumad]

13. Nope---

What I am saying is---if you enjoy hanging out in a shit hole---well---whatever floats your boat.

[Aerows]

17. Fair enough

I'm not on the Hillary train, so any port in a storm.

[arthritisR_US]

148. So, if Bernie doesn't win the nomination, what will you do?

[Aerows]

149. Exactly what I have always said I would do

vote for the Democratic party nominee.

I don't think I need to be clearer than that.

But we don't have a nominee yet

[arthritisR_US]

151. I hope you stay true to your core and not sit

out an election for ego.

[Aerows]

153. I should think

that you would respect me more than to think I do things out of "ego".

At least I hope you do.

[Scootaloo]

27. Might want to have a glance around your own neighborhood, too

[trumad]

30. Not even close.

Find me a member at DU with a confed flag as their avatar.

[Scootaloo]

34. I can find you at least one that thinks Stormfront is an acceptable source to attack a Jewish dem.

I can name another that thinks Gateway Pundit is a good go-to for the same.

I could point you to a very vocal TERF currently supporting clinton, as well as the guy who argued "Gay people have enough rights already."

How about the poster who was using the rape of women as an attempt to score points against Sanders?

Wanna hear about the conehead who argued that Muslims MUST be controlled through use of violence? Guess who he supports this primary?

Lots of former Zimmerman waterboys in there, too.

[trumad]

35. Point away---PM me...

You know me---I'm not afraid to take these people on.

And please---stop trying to compare this place to that shit hole.

[bluedigger]

53. You've been called out.

And they used some pretty creative language to do so!

As we can't go there and survive long, do you think this epic turd, less-than-30 inch waisted, goldfish-eating, ass-so-chapped-he'll-need plastic-surgery, bruised-petal assbag will come here and engage us? Under his known screenname?

Even though he says he wants to 'take us on', I don't think the ankle-biting, low-fat-latte (with soy please!) drinking, never-tasted-meat, has-the-'professor beard' punk has the guts to face us. We'll see as I know this challenge will come to his attention.

Note to Du'ers: You are MORE than welcome to post this over there. Pretty please?

http://www.discussionist.com/1015662396

On yeah, there's a poll. How should I vote?

[Aerows]

59. However you enjoy being

told to think, I guess?

[trumad]

69. LOL

Here's my message back. You can always come here and challenge me.

See---funny thing---they are all so full of gusto to challenge old trumad---but they want me to do all the leg work---like sign up to that shit hole.

If they are so damned concerned about me and what I say......---well come and get me.

They are a weird little group of people.

[pintobean]

71. So, you misspoke

when you told Sassyspop "any place, any time"? He got banned for engaging you here. Any of them coming here will. Rightfully so, given our TOS. The only way for your challenge to work is for you to go there. You won't get banned there unless you create a sock while in time out, so what are you afraid of?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027422543#post41

[Aerows]

76. Some people get afraid

of a check their mouth can't cash.

[dumbcat]

84. Crickets

What a surprise.

[Aerows]

86. No surprise to me.

Those that talk big, seldom follow up.

[Aerows]

87. Hey, you have a grand opportunity to hand over

some gusto, bluster and good old fashioned what-for. Why not go ahead and do it?

[trumad]

88. Hey---you're a proud member of that shit hole...

So why don't you take me on here? You're right here.

This all started because I kicked some right wingers around at a dinner party and members of that shit hole site didn't like it.

One of the members who didn't like my thread came over---much the same way you are doing now---and challenged me to challenge the asshole wingers at DI.

I asked that member to challenge me here and he fucking chickened out.

So I challenge any of those chicken shit fuck-turds to come on over take me on.

I love the fact that there are multiple threads over at that shit hole whining and moaning about little old trumad.

[Aerows]

90. Uh, do you ever listen to yourself? n/t

[trumad]

96. Is that it? Is that all you got?

[uppityperson]

107. Is THIS what all that was about? nt

[SidDithers]

127. Looks like it...nt

Sid

[Aerows]

138. I have no idea

I didn't issue the challenge, I just mentioned that there were some intelligent people over there, too.

I do not know Trumad, and if you follow the thread you will see that Trumad immediately leaped all over me for reasons unknown.

I'm not the one issuing threats and insults.

[uppityperson]

143. You're not the one "issuing threats and insults"?

Don't try this with me. I can read too.

[Aerows]

144. I'm not trying anything.

You can read - so read. Read what the hell happened up thread.

[uppityperson]

157. I am also on mirt with you. Nt

[Aerows]

158. I know you are.

And this is the reason I am explaining it to you.

[arthritisR_US]

150. Do you ever listen to yourself? nt

[Aerows]

159. I'm forthright.

And unapologetic about it. I try to be an honest broker in everything I do, including participation on a message board.

Please show where I have been dishonest, ugly or underhanded.

You will get points for the latter, because that is not my style, cher.

[pintobean]

93. They didn't buy it

They liked the story just fine, they just didn't believe it. That guy didn't chicken out, he got banned. Aerows isn't challenging your story, she's saying that if you want to take those people on, you'll have to go over there to do it.

You've been trash-talking DI since it began. You're looking pretty thin skinned with this little bit of return fire.

[Jesus Malverde]

160. Nailed it

[Aerows]

166. Yep, nailed it

[dumbcat]

94. "I asked that member to challenge me here and he fucking chickened out."

Uh, no. He came over here and challenged you and was immediately PPRed, just as you knew he would be.

Man up, dude.

[Aerows]

95. We see who the chickens are. n/t

[nil desperandum]

102. hehehe

remember this simple message:

[trumad]

109. Yawn

Is that all you got?

[trumad]

98. Lookie here....

He didn't get whacked because he was a member of DI...hell you're here.

He got whacked for fucking trolling.

You challenge me. You take me on with the thread that started it all. Come on---represent your clan at DI.

Here's the thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027422543

Don't be afraid---if you keep it cordial you won't get whacked.

Tell me---what is wrong with knocking a few Right Wingers at a dinner party?

[Aerows]

103. I am excellent at accepting challenges

In fact, I flourish in them.

Bring it.

[trumad]

105. OK---I whacked a couple of Wingers at a Dinner party....

Any problem with that?

Because your fellow members at DI got all bothered by it.

[dumbcat]

120. Yeah, right

Don't be afraid---if you keep it cordial you won't get whacked.

How can you guarantee that? Are you in charge of the whacking around here?

This ain't my first rodeo.

[trumad]

122. I know it's not your first rodeo---

New screen name here at DU ---wonder what your last one was.

What---you can't debate here without exposing yourself?

See---that's chickenshit.

[Aerows]

168. Have you got the bulls? n/t

[snooper2]

113. You beat ass at a dinner party, now got the gutso to take on the intertubes!

AWESOME!

[Heddi]

125. Wait...so having a vagina means..what?

That's your idea of an insult? Suggesting someone has a vagina?

You're a hateful misogynist.

Signed,

someone with a vagina who can insult people without making gender slurrs

[trumad]

126. Have a read and then come back to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027422543

[nomorenomore08]

135. He was referring to reproductive rights. Those men *do not* possess vaginas, therefore they have no

right to restrict women's intimate life decisions, including abortion and birth control. See OP.

[Sheepshank]

111. So let me get this straight

you like the folks at Discussionist. You like them so much in fact that you are protecting them, lauding them, and sticking up for them, even though many are Republicans, over a DU'er?

is that right?

that shit hole seems to have earned a coddler.

[trumad]

124. It all started because I posted a thread about me kicking right wing ass at a dinner party.

Here was the thread that they started to come after old trumad because they did not like me writing about the kick ass.
http://www.discussionist.com/1015649057

Yes---there are posters here in this thread who are defending these shit bags.

[Sheepshank]

130. No surprises at the DU'ers that are doing this n/t

[pintobean]

132. He can't answer you

Ironic.

Ya know, the people who can handle DI, can certainly handle the silly little slaps they get here.

[Aerows]

63. I remember the top four very well.

Thanks for your perspective, Scoot.

[kcr]

39. And bigotry does nothing to diminish the human experience?

I don't need to waste time hanging around right wingers. Nothing binary about that because it's not either or. There are plenty of decent places on the internet to go.

[Aerows]

56. What exactly do you think bigotry is

if it isn't "us" against "them"?

I'm not so shaky on my ideals that I can't have a conversation with people that don't have precisely the opinion that I do.

[kcr]

57. Bigotry is a word that actually means something

It's not some nebulous concept that can be applied to any old thing. And you can have conversations with bigots. Whatever floats your boat. It just isn't accurate to compare everyone else to them, and call things that aren't bigotry, bigotry.

[Aerows]

60. I didn't realise that you were the Merriam Webster's dictionary on what bigotry is.

It indeed is a word that means something.

All of you are starting to sound the same "whatever floats your boat".

[kcr]

61. We're all "whatever floats your boat?" Wow, that isn't the impression I'm getting

of the opinion of us from other Discussionists and Friends of Discussionists. Maybe you should tell them that

[nomorenomore08]

136. I agree with both of you, up to a point. "Bigotry" is, of course, often a subjective concept.

But I've seen some pretty damn ugly stuff on DI, a lot of it objectively vile and hateful. Though for whatever reason, Muslims and black folks seem to get the worst of it, while gay people tend to be relatively spared.

[Facility Inspector]

74. The loud mouthed knuckledraggers on DI

epitomize binary thinking.

[pintobean]

3. Did it make you wonder why?

What do you think they were thinking?

[GGJohn]

54. Uncalled for.

I spent the weekend there and found that while I certainly didn't agree with the cons there, I did enjoy the back and forth, and I had to back up my claims with links and facts.

[Aerows]

62. Thank you.

I can be civil wherever I go, and civil afterwards.

[arthritisR_US]

65. But didn't you find their lack of facts, unless you consider links to Brietbart,

Drudge and FOx as facts, well ...did you not find this frustrating along with their histrionics?

[GGJohn]

72. I found a few of the cons were rude as hell, but for the most part,

most of them were civil and were willing to argue their point with facts and links.
That said, I still don't agree with their point of view.

[arthritisR_US]

137. Their links were pathetic at best and a joke at worst. nt

[Aerows]

170. I cannot be monolithic

and part of a "crowd" to sacrifice my individuality. Just isn't in my DNA.

I evaluate ideas on the terms I set forth for myself, and my morality.

Cliquish behavior has never appealed to me, and likely never will.

[GGJohn]

171. Well, we all have our own opinion,

mine differs from yours.

[arthritisR_US]

173. No doubt and I'm sure you'll report back. nt

[GGJohn]

175. Oh, don't get me wrong, there are a few cons over there who are nasty pieces of work

who don't link to what they claim, I tend to ignore them, but there are cons over there also who are civil, intelligent and do provide links to what they claim, even if I do disagree with them.

I like being challenged in my beliefs, but they won't change my core beliefs.

[Iggo]

6. Many many pieces of stinky shit over there.

Many many.

[Aerows]

9. No more than any other place. n/t

[Iggo]

10. More than here. (n/t)

[Aerows]

14. It has been my experience

that where ever you go, there you are.

[Iggo]

15. Exactly.

[SecularMotion]

7. A Confederacy of Dunces

They boast about being more "open" than DU while alerting on any liberal opinions.

[Scootaloo]

28. I served on about eight juries this weekend, mostly vs. conservative posts

The remainder were that "mony" person having their massive meltdown

[MrMickeysMom]

36. Actually, there were alerts...

But the jury tended to be more thick skinned... like I wish a lot of people here would decide to be.

This, by no means excuses the confederate flag avatars, which I refer to as a banana hammock.

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. I've been about 50/50 between the two sites ever since DI opened.

Broadly speaking, I find I'm more likely to have a good, in-depth, substantive conversation on certain topics (socio-political stuff...not "specialty" topics like sports or suchlike) over there than I am here...and that's sad. The passive-aggressive nastiness here* frustrates me no end, and because I have minority (for a leftist) positions on a few things, perhaps I see more of the hateful posting here than DU'ers who aren't "off the reservation" on a couple topics.

Don't get me wrong: I like it here, and I'd hate for there to be no progressive-oriented community like this. Some of the more extreme RW blowhards over there do manage to post enough toxic crap to annoy me on frequent occasion. But I'm actually more upset by the nastiness I see here; it's somehow worse to see us eating our own than it is to see partisan bickering (which is just the nature of politics).

* And hey, I'm from Portland. It's not like I don't encounter passive-aggressive types all the time...

[Aerows]

12. I love DU

I am beginning to like DI, too. Robust conversation has always been something I enjoy.

[Lizzie Poppet]

16. You're a big reason I'm still here!

That note you sent when I was considering leaving because of my feeling I wasn't the "right" sort of progressive had a big impact!


So now people know who to blame...

[Aerows]

18. I do my best.

You are a good person, and I am glad to have you around to talk to

[SmittynMo]

22. Please define robust

[Scootaloo]

29. Discussion that involves more than the rofl smiley and yelling "THE POLLS! THE POOOOOLLS!"

[7962]

42. Or "Because bible" or some other odd nonsense

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. I find the regular conservatives there are appalling people

Occasionally, one of them manages to write something worth reading, but most of the time, they post to either annoy liberals, say something incredibly stupid but popular with similar stupid right wingers, or just express a hateful bigotry. Occasionally, they appear to be psychopaths with a desire for murder.

I get a far better quality of conversation at an international political forum where there are many right wingers, but they are people who mostly think, try and make rational arguments, and don't mainly post just to make party political points for Republicans.

I tried for over a year, but gave up. How long have you tried talking to them?

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. The funny thing is how some believe dissing anything DI is a way to gain cred.

Ooooh! Yuck! Bad people! Bad people there!

(I did that for the cred)

[sibelian]

26. True.

I've had very worthwhile exchanges with people on that site, far more in depth and considered than here.

[trumad]

31. Wow!

Really?

[MrMickeysMom]

37. Yeah, wow, truman...

It's interesting to talk to people who are on the other side. Don't you do this in every day life? Or, are you rather insulated and fly with birds of a feather, in stead?

[trumad]

38. First off---

I don't talk to Misogynists, racists, Homophobes and assholes who are anti-science. Why would I---they're asssholes.

Second you said this: "more in depth and considered than here"

So the Misogynists, racists, Homophobes and assholes who are anti-science are "more in depth and considered than here"?

Hey whatever floats your boat.

[MrMickeysMom]

40. See? Now, THAT'S a good example of the difference...

You, using your best thin-skinned hyperbolic reaction could not separate the wheat from the chaff of that missive.

Some of these assholes were just that. Some of them were not as flagrant in discussing the 2nd amendment argument and understanding of more recent cases in front of the Supreme Court.

AND, BY THE WAY... you may not wish to talk to awful people, but you have no compunction in responding in a very nasty way yourself... which is EXACTLY what floats YOUR boat.

Don't bother responding. I'd rather talk to someone who isn't hateful tonight.

Bye!

[7962]

43. Now that is an excellent response. And without being rude!!

[MrMickeysMom]

51. :-)

Seems I've heard that somewhere before.... ????

[trumad]

48. Run and hide

[Aerows]

64. That seems to be a threat

I don't take kindly to those.

I think you should back away from your computer before you do something stupid.

[trumad]

68. Was I talking to you?

No I was not so perhaps you need to stay away from the computer.

[Aerows]

104. You are getting to the point where you are harassing me

not that you would be successful at that as you have been at any other venture.

[trumad]

108. Really

I responded to a post by MrMickeysMom--not you.

So who is harrassing who?

[Sheepshank]

114. **ZING**

how blatantly obvious does it need to get at who was harassing, and who was being harrassed

[GGJohn]

73. Yeah, really,

something you wouldn't know about because you refuse to engage them over there, instead you insist that they engage you here, where you damn well know that they would be almost instantly banned.

[Aerows]

161. What is odd is that I am getting harassed

because I dared to post something positive about another site that is affiliated with DU.

That has me confused.

[GGJohn]

172. Some people just can't handle having their beliefs challenged

and have to fight back the only way they know how, by belittling their challenger.

[kcr]

41. Right. They would actually secretly love to hang around right wingers

But they're depriving themselves of that wonderful experience just to look good. That sounds highly plausible

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. Probably not. Chiming in with the three hundredth ICK though looks awesome on their lapel.

[kcr]

58. You're right. Better to chime in supporting bigots.

That's got to be a might fine looking lapel pin as well.

[SmittynMo]

21. My first thoughts

were not good at all. I saw many threads about DU, trashing all of us, totally unprovoked. I met a few decent people there, but for the most part it was not a good experience. I had 1 encounter with a far right person. It did not end well.

I guess the bottom line was they like less rules, blocks, etc. They want total freedom to say whatever the hell they want, without penalty. With that comes ignorance, stupidity, and hatred. For some, I guess that's OK. Not me. It was definitely not my cup of tea.

[katsy]

112. That was my experience also

So why would I go there to engage with bigots, homophobes and racists?

My family and friends represent the entire spectrum of ideas and opinions. Not a one of my huge clan agrees with another. But when we engage it's a good exchange that comes from a mutual respect. Eye to eye promotes a sense of personal responsibility for your language and attitude. Needless to say, even on opposite spectrums politically, everyone takes away a better understanding of the other. No need to spar. Or insult. Always a net positive even when no minds are changed.

Not so on the the Internet. Not so on DI. Just the way they called out Trumad with such hateful language turns me off.

Not everyone needs to war with total strangers because of political differences. I'm glad DI is there and it serves a purpose. Just not for me.

[steve2470]

23. Some of them seemed pleasant enough

I could do without the gratuitous bashing of liberals/progressives in general and the ad hominems in general.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I stuck to the streets

But not everybody is nasty there. Just like we have some really nasty people here. The cavers, yes they post there, can be a handfu though.

[Aerows]

156. Amen, my friend.

I'm so glad you came back to DU. Nice to know some folks around here that have open minds.

[sibelian]

25. I've always liked it. I've had very interesting exchanges there.

I've also had some DI PMs from folk saying they think of changing their views as a result of engaging with other people on that site, I think that's pretty amazing, really.

There were a small bunch of snotmongers from DU swanning in like Norma Desmond and declaring the entire board to be beneath them, naturally, but many DUers were quite happy to take on DI's culture without any difficulty, it'd be great to see them back. People willing to actually make a case there are always listened to pretty politely, in my experience.

[trumad]

32. Snarf

PMs ...why PMs...why can't they say it in public?

So what's your screen name there?

[pintobean]

47. Why would you need user names?

You're too sacred to go there.

[7962]

45. "snotmongers from DU swanning in like Norma Desmond". STILL laughing at that one!!!!

Holy crap thats a funny one. Just the visual I get..........

[sibelian]

49. Oh, it was infuriating!

Idiots dribbling in like lost children declaring conservative posters I've had genuinely constructive conversations with about WHY we believe what believe and flurrying around like so many peacocks. God, it was embarassing. Not a SHRED of self-awareness.

"YOU THERE! YOU DISGUSTING, NASTY CONSERVATIVE TYPE! HOW DARE YOU THINK SUCH FOUL VILE THINGS! ICK! EW. WHY, WHY ARE YOU SO LOW, YOU BASE CREATURE?"

"Hmmm. Uuuuuh, screw YOU?"

"OH! OH! OH! OH! OH! THIS PLACE! THIS TERRIBLE PLACE!"

IDIOTS.

[nadinbrzezinski]

180. In the meantime, back in the real world, which DU is not

the Climate Action Plan that was passed yesterday was endorsed by a wide coalition of people, that spanned the left and the right and the business community.

That is how the real world works.

I think I am going to be the only media that is actually listing them. Oh and that includes save our bolts... WHAT WHHHHAAATTTTT? Yup, even our lovely we want our sport team damn it endorsed the plan

[Gothmog]

192. DU is clearly not the real world

[nadinbrzezinski]

193. Nope, DU is not...of course I know that our local pols

did not do it just becuase of the future, and kids (plenty of speechifying in that respect), but some is looking to the governors office... err, my mayor, he just got some serious environmental street cred.

[City Lights]

33. Now that you've had a pleasant experience,

will you visit regularly, or just when DU is down?

[Aerows]

139. I think I will be visiting quite regularly.

I've even gotten a few friends from DU to go, too.

Feel free to PM me over there. It's not hard to figure out who I am

[Inkfreak]

44. I read a lot here and post a lot there.

I kinda like hashing shit out with the other side. Some are cool or funny. A few are assholes. I don't get the need to declare someone's distaste for the site. Big fucking deal..it's a site where some have differing opinions. There are quite a few left leaning posters there that don't seem to catch the attentions of those with "the vapors" at having visited the site and saw a RW'ers post.

This site & that site will always be linked.

[Township75]

46. People here demonize the other side to make up for their own lack of commitment to their supposed

values.

I would love to see the tax returns and carbon footprints of the posters there that label all right wingers as greedy, climate change deniers, etc. It's not like if I bash someone for denying climate change, then avoid public transportations/car pooling, and don't think twice about the fossils fuels that i use to heat my home that my carbon foot print diminishes. Same with trying to avoid taxes then claiming the other side is anti education/health care/poor....anyone trying to minimize their taxes is taking money from the schools, hospitals, and social services desperately needed by poor people...and no amount of attacking right wingers will change that.

[840high]

52. I enjoyed my brief stay there.

[GGJohn]

55. As did I.

I'm going to split what little time I have between here and there.

[deutsey]

67. I've been a member at DU for so long

because it's been a welcome refuge from the conservative area where I live (especially during the insane years 2001-2008).

I have nothing against DI, but I can engage any number of civil and uncivil conservatives in my real life any time I want. Since 2001, DU has been a place where I have found kindred spirits, which was very important during Bush's regime.

The interesting thing is I really didn't miss DU while it was offline. Ten years ago, I probably would've been going through withdrawals. But I hardly noticed it over the weekend.

So it goes.

[seaglass]

70. It's a great place for gossiping and DUer bashing if you like that sort of thing. Oops, I guess

you do.

[pintobean]

75. So are some of DU's groups

as I'm sure you are aware.

[seaglass]

78. Yes but it is different when someone tries to disguise who they are and doesn't have the risk of

a hide, isn't it?

[pintobean]

80. Like trashing DI and its members from DU?

[seaglass]

82. Current DUers who are DI members? Haven't seen that. n/t

[pintobean]

83. Lol.

Check your 'history'.

[seaglass]

85. Sorry I don't keep track of history as well as you do and frankly don't have the time for it. n/t

[Aerows]

140. Uh, I'm AerowsX over there

and use the same avatar.

[seaglass]

162. I wasn't talking about you Aerows. n/t

[Aerows]

163. Just clearing up any confusion. n/t

[boston bean]

77. LOL

[aikoaiko]

79. It appears that the DU folks who call DI folks great big *&$^&*#s and all sorts of things

are generally the great big *&$^&*#s on DU.

[pintobean]

81. Bingo.

[trumad]

89. So if I call the asshole at DI with the confederate flag avatar a great big *&$^&*#s ....

I'm a great big *&$^&*#s?

[Aerows]

91. Absolutely not.

You just appear to be ... unstable.

[trumad]

99. Well when it comes to wingers and their representatives---I can be a bit unstable.

[aikoaiko]

92. I'm not making a causative claim...

... If that makes you feel better about it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

118. You're confusing cause and effect. n/t

[Aerows]

164. Thank you. n/t

[joshcryer]

133. They also seem to be the purists here.

Which has convinced me these people aren't for real. It's gotta be narcissism. It makes no sense to trash a made up "third way" here but laud bigots over there.

[ProfessorGAC]

97. No Thank You

Been there, done that. I did not enjoy the experiences. I did found the conversations neither engaging nor informative.

The "other side" still heavily reliant on disproven economic concepts, or factual disinformation about a myriad of topics appeals to me not at all.

[demmiblue]

100. If you like that kind of thing.

I will stick with non-homophobes, non-racists and non-misogynists (though we do have some of those here, just not in the numbers that exist there).

There are a couple of caves you can visit if you want a similar experience.

[Mona]

101. I agree. nm

[olddots]

106. life is too short

.

[KamaAina]

110. You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

Even though I know you're female.

[Aerows]

145. I like diverse opinions

I've never been one that accepts somebody else's opinion. I want to see for myself, challenge it, and dissect it.

[KamaAina]

179. Ever been to GD-P?

Diversity abounds over there. Sometimes to a fault.

[Aerows]

181. I don't need to go to Antarctica

to know there are places that are cold

[Sheepshank]

115. Here's a fun, likeable one to engage....or not

What Would Happen If All the Gun Grabbers Drank Drano

I'm curious what Americans think would happen if all the gun grabbers in this country suddenly developed a powerful urge to drink Drano and relieve the country of their burden?

I can't really think of any negatives in the long run. Lots of vacant political seats, fewer folks on the handout dole, fewer worthless scum polluting politics and entertainment media.

I just don't see the drawback. Sure a few doctors here and there would be dead but there would be plenty left over to pick up the slack.

Anyone see any drawbacks because I don't.

http://www.discussionist.com/102217207

it's nothing like this damn echo chamber, am I right?

7. This place isn't so dang homogenous

It's rather refreshing to see people actually having a point of view that isn't driven by the echo chamber.

[pintobean]

116. That post was hidden and the poster is in time-out

He is almost always in time-out.

But, hey, this is cool...

Fuck them and their shitty website. They made me want to murder a RWNJ. Thanks for playing and...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027445741#post24

[Sheepshank]

121. so all sentiments are acceptable because more than one person does it?

your arguement is weak sauce....and a very poor excuse for accepting that kind of sentiment.

And you know as well as I do that because one post was hidden at Discussionist, it doesn't mean that the site isn't rampant with those types of sentiments....that post just barely got hidden at 4-3. so there is that.

As for the OP's comment that Du is an echo chamber....what the fuck do they think this was created for in the first place? It's designed to be a place for Dem support, Dem opinions. Of course it's a supposed to be a place for like minded persons to exchange ideas. If it wasn't designed to be so, it would be another Discussionist shit hole. But to insult everyone here for signing up for a site where they actually knew the TOS was for Dems, is extremly nasty, low, name calling, insulting etc etc etc.

[pintobean]

128. You realize that my example was here on DU, right?

It still stands.
Your example on DI was hidden eight minutes after it was posted.

The OP isn't trash talking DU, she's saying that sometimes she likes more variety of opinion and a more robust conversation. The OP and I belong to both sites. Our admin created that site and invited all of us to join. We don't let the cons run over us, and we don't run from their scare tactics.

Really, I find Discussionist more civil than GDP.

[pintobean]

129. Here's another example for you

Another hide at DI. We would see a lot more shit like this hidden, if so many DUers didn't run away. We could use some help.

ETA - This person also went into time-out.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
On Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Islam is a murdering death cult
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=663549

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is uncivil, off-topic, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a vicious attack against an entire religion
The same type of rhetoric is inciting Americans to attack Muslims across this nation every day

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:24 PM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sure. I tire of this.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If attacking Christianity a few time a week on DI is acceptable, Islam shouldn't get a pass.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm stunned! Gunslinger posts more vile shit!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The poster continually is over the top with his hatred.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is pure bigotry. I have Muslim friends and neighbors and they are kind, generous, and wonderful.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Gothmog]

117. DI can be fun

[Aerows]

146. I agree n/t

[Prism]

131. Liberals should argue with conservatives

It sharpens the mind and tightens up arguments.

DU, for all its graces, is a sloppy place. Sloppy thinking, sloppy arguments, preaching to the choir. I always wonder about people who claim they're "activisting" and things. Because most of the time, I wouldn't want them anywhere near my neighbors. I cannot count the number of times I've seen, "I'm canvassing!" Oh Jesus. Not you. Not in my neighborhood.

I read conservative sites and blogs all the time. Things are either true or not. I like being challenged.

But DU is a place where even liberal sources are challenged. "You linked an author who once said something bad about Captain America?!!!!!" It's like, holy hell, how tight does your bubble need to be for you to function.

[steve2470]

134. I always like your posts

You live in Berkeley, which is arguably one of the most progressive places in the country. You're a progressive. This place gets a tad extreme at times. Good points about reading and arguing with conservatives.

[Aerows]

142. Prism is an excellent DUer

And I suspect a really nice guy in person

[Prism]

201. It depends!

Is trader joe's wine involved? Then I'm super friendly!

I keed.

I adore you, Aerows. Aren't you on my facebook now?!

[Prism]

200. Thank you for that

Berkeley definitely can be a wacky place. And it can be an echo chamber, so I like to be devil's advocate. But, I'm lucky. I really, really like my congressman (I'd quibble over Feinstein). And while I'm not thrilled about gentrification and the homeless situation, it's easier to be a liberal here than most places.

[Aerows]

141. You are a stand up poster.

I've always enjoyed reading your posts.

We also have in common that we like being challenged

[lumberjack_jeff]

186. Well said. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

194. Yup, I talk to people in the field who come from all kinds of backgrounds

as to the activism here... I will be brutal. I wonder how many of these folks are actually, well, getting up from their chairs and doing it.

[arthritisR_US]

147. Good for you.nt

[Aerows]

155. I have always had a kind relationship with you

I am not about to sacrifice it over a blow up.

[arthritisR_US]

152. I understand completely. You .....

[Aerows]

154. I've been excoriated up one side and down the other

bathed in flames.

I merely mentioned that they had some civil folks over there.

I stand by that assessment.

Now after this thread, what assessment would you give yourselves?

[Warren DeMontague]

165. I posted a little when they first put it up, but got bored with that place fast. YMMV.

I certainly don't go in for the line about how "only horrible peeepul post over there so you are a horrible peeepul if you post over there warrrrrgggghhhlllll" .... that's just lame.


There is, undeniably, some nasty crap floated there, but, that doesn't mean everyone there is awful nor do I think there are not worthwhile conversations that can and do take place there.

But I don't have time to argue with hard-core right wingers about things we're never gonna see eye to eye on. It's futile for everyone involved.

[Aerows]

167. Where ever you go, there you are

And I think you are a great poster. Just consider that it is always in the last place you look

[Warren DeMontague]

169. Thanks, back atcha!

It's pretty easy to figure out who I am over there.

[Gothmog]

174. DI is not for everyone but it is fun to engage with people who disagree with your positions

The real world is full of people who disagree with you. I have a high tolerance for stupidity and bigotry and so I can stand dealing with the conservative posters on DI

[GGJohn]

176. With the exception of a few really nasty idiots,

I found most of them, to my surprise, very civil and personable, not what I dreamed that DI would be.

[Paladin]

177. I'm not at all surprised you found DI to your liking.

Considering their "Culture" section is overwhelmingly devoted to pro-gun discussions.

[GGJohn]

178. Over there, I stay away from the firearm discussions. eom.

[Aerows]

182. You know, I've had just about enough of identity politics.

I'm a human being that has varied ideas, ideals and I have a conscience.

[Paladin]

191. I don't remember accusing you of lacking those things. Back off a little. (nt)

[Aerows]

195. I apologize if that appeared to be directed at you personally.

It was meant as a general statement.

[phleshdef]

183. I got banned from there for a bit. 2 of the hides were BS. The other 3 were legit.

My last one was because someone said something about Obama looking weak to other foreign leaders and I said they could all suck my dick. LOL. I really didn't think that was hide worthy since it wasn't directed at any other poster and adult language is not against the rules, but its all good. Sometimes I engage people over there in serious discussion and sometimes I just don't give a shit. Depends on my mood that day.

[Aerows]

184. Oh my

"I got banned because I told everybody "They can suck my dick"", your words, and wonder why the place might be a shade ... partial to refraining from welcoming you with open arms.

Please take some time to wonder why.

[phleshdef]

185. I don't post there to make other people happy

I don't care what they think, I don't care if I offend them, I can count the posters over there I respect with one hand and that's without using my thumb. A lot of them are a bunch of oversensitive asses that whine and cry about political correctness all day but yet can't handle it when someone use as a curse word or says something off color for the sake of humor. So no I'm not going to take any time and wonder about anything. I don't give a fuck.

[lumberjack_jeff]

187. If you consider that hide unjust, I really don't want to see the three legit ones. n/t

[phleshdef]

188. I broke no rules with that hide

If you can't handle someone saying that so and so can suck a dick then I don't know how you survive in the modern world at all. Its the same thing as "kiss my ass", just a little more crude and I like crude.

[pintobean]

190. It gets hidden there, but not here.

Wtf does that say?

[Aerows]

197. Nothing good. n/t

[11 Bravo]

189. They seem fond of you as well. Perhaps your post slamming DU and ...

DUers has something to do with that.

[Aerows]

196. I am not "slamming" DUers

I am inviting folks to look around here and see what is going on.

We are hemorrhaging good DUers.

I think if we want this community to survive with a shred of credibility and sanity it is time to ask Why?

When it gets to the point that a bully squad follows you to another forum, because you state your opinions plainly, and refuse to be beaten down, what does that say about those that chase you?

[DrDan]

198. I am stunned by some of these posts - it is one thing for someone to choose

not to go there themselves and engage in a discussion. But to criticize someone else who does and finds it personally rewarding, is over-the-top.

Then there are those who go into full bully-mode in their criticism. I guess their internet-bravado helps ease their insecurities. They sure take a lot of (false) pride in "putting down the enemy."

Anyway, I think your attitude is healthy. I have RW friends. We can be civil even though we disagree. We can give each other respect even though we vote for different candidates. I can't imagine finding glee in putting them down at a dinner party and then and bragging about it to digital "friends".

I guess it might be different if we (DU) were free from the nastiness found there. But we know that is not the case.

[Aerows]

199. Thank you, Dan

It is puzzling to me.

[dhill926]

202. + a whole bunch…

[steve2470]

203. Her post was completely fine, as you say

I have a neighbor who despises President Obama, yet he is one of the nicest people I know. So, we don't talk politics.

There's nothing wrong with going to Discussionist to have a civil debate. We can't do it here. Some choose not to, which is totally fine. From what I've read, some opinions at DI have been changed as a result of us going over there.

Merry Christmas, Aerows, to you and your family.

[Aerows]

204. Merry Christmas, steve2470

to you and yours, also!