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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:09 AM May 2012

THIS is the new face of terror in America


Found in the Occupy Mainstream Media

Comment from one of the facebook posters:
What's funny is if a few of us Marines show up in full dress uniform armed to the hilt at a tea party convention its ok, but if we show up at an occupy movement, all out war would start. Weird huh?
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THIS is the new face of terror in America (Original Post) Playinghardball May 2012 OP
We have no idea what is happening in that photo treestar May 2012 #1
Yes, because nobody is EVER unjustly charged in 'Murka... DCKit May 2012 #2
No, because EVERYBODY is unjustly charged. randome May 2012 #3
Defeatist would be to ignore what's happening.. Fumesucker May 2012 #7
I think you are out numbered. Good luck. nm rhett o rick May 2012 #11
Just because people are outnumbered doesn't mean they are wrong. jtuck004 May 2012 #18
Amen. nt raouldukelives May 2012 #21
Sorry, my post was misleading. I support what he said but seems to me that rhett o rick May 2012 #30
I know. We all get worked up. jtuck004 May 2012 #31
Never can get enough... happerbolic May 2012 #33
'Graphics' like a young girl being escorted away by a police officer? randome May 2012 #13
A national security state is a one way ratchet.. Fumesucker May 2012 #14
You miss the point LiberalLovinLug May 2012 #28
Find a statute that makes your second paragraph true treestar May 2012 #38
So you never heard of bill H.R. 347? LiberalLovinLug May 2012 #39
Did this pass and become a law? treestar May 2012 #40
Yes it is LAW LiberalLovinLug May 2012 #46
What does it say? treestar May 2012 #47
this graphic does not do that treestar May 2012 #37
Yeah. Ask Don Siegelman. Octafish May 2012 #4
Sometimes people are unjustly charged treestar May 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick May 2012 #9
The cops led protesters onto the Brooklyn Bridge, then kettled and arrested them. NT Eric J in MN May 2012 #17
In addition to the picture SCantiGOP May 2012 #25
Would this one be more acceptable as a face of terror? LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #35
Possibly, though they are not that good for the purpose either treestar May 2012 #41
But, but, you really have no idea what happened in the case of those photos! Zorra May 2012 #44
Actually, that photo was circulated in DU. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #5
No!!! She is evidence of a police state! randome May 2012 #6
KatTheMongoose Crabby Appleton May 2012 #32
Here's the video treestar May 2012 #42
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #8
Huh. HappyMe May 2012 #10
The one in the black hat with the uniform is definitely the new face of terror GoneOffShore May 2012 #12
At least she appears happy. aikoaiko May 2012 #15
What entity of law enforcement.. RoccoR5955 May 2012 #16
Don't you see? Danger! She is carrying a Canon. n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #19
That is the face of civil disobedience. MineralMan May 2012 #20
Is that reported somewhere? whatchamacallit May 2012 #22
That photo circulated on DU some time ago, and the circumstances MineralMan May 2012 #24
Oops I totally misread your post whatchamacallit May 2012 #26
Sorry if I wasn't clear. MineralMan May 2012 #27
That is fine and good but no anger and no pushback and the arrest has no impact on turning things TheKentuckian May 2012 #43
According to her cap, she's a robot from outer space. DetlefK May 2012 #23
Forget terrorists we have an even BIGGER ENEMY TO WORRY ABOUT! Rex May 2012 #34
Are you talking about the one on the right, or the one on the left? baldguy May 2012 #36
You read my mind! backscatter712 May 2012 #45
The shiny medallions they wear are one giveaway. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #48

treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. We have no idea what is happening in that photo
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:10 AM
May 2012

Just because the girl looks goofy mean there is no way she did anything?

And if her arrest is unjust, she can defend herself from the charges.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
2. Yes, because nobody is EVER unjustly charged in 'Murka...
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:38 AM
May 2012

falsely imprisoned or railroaded by the just-us system.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. No, because EVERYBODY is unjustly charged.
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

I mean, the picture just SCREAMS it, does it not?

Another thread with zero information and plenty of defeatist attitude.

If you think the police system is ALWAYS unjust, then do something about it, don't just rah-rah someone who posts a random picture from Google.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. Defeatist would be to ignore what's happening..
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:58 AM
May 2012

Graphics like this get people's attention and makes a visceral point in a way that just some speech, however well documented, mostly doesn't.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. Sorry, my post was misleading. I support what he said but seems to me that
Wed May 23, 2012, 05:15 PM
May 2012

the pack is loose today.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. 'Graphics' like a young girl being escorted away by a police officer?
Wed May 23, 2012, 12:11 PM
May 2012

I must be missing something if I don't feel 'visceral' about that.

Pictures will make a visceral point, granted, but not THIS picture.

And pictures do not change the fact that everyone who wants to believe this is the oncoming Police State need to step up and say what they want to do to stop it.

It's kind of like making corporations behave better because...well, they SHOULD!

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. A national security state is a one way ratchet..
Wed May 23, 2012, 12:24 PM
May 2012

I can't think of an example of such a state that hasn't required significant painful social turmoil to reduce or eliminate, perhaps you know more history than I however.

IMO an ever tightening police state is all but inevitable.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,179 posts)
28. You miss the point
Wed May 23, 2012, 02:47 PM
May 2012

You were right in your previous post title even if you were just being factitious, "No, because EVERYBODY is unjustly charged"

Under new "anti-terrorism" laws, every protester is guilty of unlawful assembly if they are deemed to be in an arbitrary "security zone" defined by the police.

Another point is that the image shows the disparity between the MSM news that focuses on only the most odd, or violent participants and uses those images to defend the new draconian laws, and the actual average young protester. It seems there are a few like you in this thread that seem to be strangely paranoid about this young woman. Maybe you too are perplexed that she doesn't fit the established MSM profile?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. Find a statute that makes your second paragraph true
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:28 PM
May 2012

Large crowds of people can create dangers. Cops are there to minimize that. If there was a stomping you'd be blaming them for not being there.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,179 posts)
39. So you never heard of bill H.R. 347?
Thu May 24, 2012, 05:39 PM
May 2012

Even the lone Republican that voted against it says this about it:
"Rep. Justin Amash wrote on his Facebook page. “[H.R. 347] expands current law to make it a crime to enter or remain in an area where an official is visiting even if the person does not know it’s illegal to be in that area and has no reason to suspect it’s illegal.”

Amash, Paul Broun, a Georgia Republican, and Ron Paul were the lone dissenting voices opposed to this bill, which is being called the “First Amendment Rights Eradication Act” designed specifically to counter the Occupy movement and other political groups opposed to the bankster regime in control of the Congress and the presidency. Democrats have characterized opposition to the bill as “a whole lot of kerfuffle over nothing.”

http://www.infowars.com/h-r-347-another-step-in-the-elimination-of-the-first-amendment/

which does seem to conflict with the Bill of Rights:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

The police working with the Secret Service can designate whatever security zone however wide and area around an official event - so as to not embarrass the politicians with being able to even see or hear any protest, and they can round up anyone who enters that zone whether they even know about it or not.

It has nothing to do with the police having a presence. And why would you even bring up "stomping"? Is this a common occurance? That seems more likely to occur under this new draconian law if the police attack and cause a stampede.

but Obama signed it so its just great by you.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
40. Did this pass and become a law?
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:30 AM
May 2012

I'd quote the law not info wars. Or the opinion of Justin Amash on his FB page. The statute itself makes its "a crime to ever or remain in an area where an official is visiting even if the person does not know it's illegal to be in that area?" That just may be his exaggerated OTT interpretation. And he is a Republican.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,179 posts)
46. Yes it is LAW
Fri May 25, 2012, 02:18 PM
May 2012

"President Obama signed bill H.R. 347 (also known as the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011) into law on March 9th, amid numerous protests from the Occupy movement, as well as other agencies."

http://www.inquisitr.com/206017/president-obama-signs-anti-protest-bill-h-r-347/

Another chip off of civil rights...and even more powers to the police to do the bidding of the elite classes. But hey, Obama signed it so its cool, right?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
47. What does it say?
Fri May 25, 2012, 02:33 PM
May 2012

Because the opinion of Republican Congressmen on the subject, or info wars.com, are not conclusions we should adopt as to the true effects of the law.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
37. this graphic does not do that
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:26 PM
May 2012

It just shows a goofy looking girl. That doesn't mean she didn't do anything that made the arrest justifiable.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. Yeah. Ask Don Siegelman.
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

I'd ask Richard Scrushy, but he's recovering from his 56 months in the Gulag.

Response to treestar (Reply #1)

SCantiGOP

(13,878 posts)
25. In addition to the picture
Wed May 23, 2012, 02:28 PM
May 2012

is the fact that people were showing up armed to the teeth at Tea Party rallies, and yet peaceful protestors (and probably some non-peaceful) in Chicago were beaten and arrested - from all accounts - often for no reason.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
35. Would this one be more acceptable as a face of terror?
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:13 PM
May 2012


This one?



This one?



This one?




Just sayin', since we DO know what was happening in those photos.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. Possibly, though they are not that good for the purpose either
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:34 AM
May 2012

Except the pepper spraying one. The top one doesn't have obvious cops in it. The bottom one could be an auto accident or anything. The two girls could be putting on a show.

Large crowds are going to have occurrences. If there were no cops there, as I've said before, and someone got hurt, I bet you'd be trashing the cops for not being there. Are you really so convinced that because the marchers' motives are good, they will not attract to their crowd a single person with other motives, or someone dumb enough to do something stupid?

The cops are there to protect them - that there are bad cops, as there as bad every things, does not change that.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
44. But, but, you really have no idea what happened in the case of those photos!
Fri May 25, 2012, 01:20 PM
May 2012

(Accompanied by the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth)

Submit. Do not question authority.




Baitball Blogger

(46,776 posts)
5. Actually, that photo was circulated in DU.
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
May 2012

If you check the archives you will find out that she was not part of the Occupy movement. She was on that bridge working on a photography assignment for her school when she was corralled by the police. She called her mom on her cellphone and they both agreed that the fastest way off the bridge was to give herself up to the police.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. Here's the video
Fri May 25, 2012, 10:40 AM
May 2012

"

"


The young women who tried to "save" her caused the struggle.

The NYPD is filming it themselves.

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
10. Huh.
Wed May 23, 2012, 12:06 PM
May 2012

A black female police officer is the face of terror? Geez, I can barely look at that 'brutal' photo.

GoneOffShore

(17,345 posts)
12. The one in the black hat with the uniform is definitely the new face of terror
Wed May 23, 2012, 12:07 PM
May 2012

And has been for a long time.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
16. What entity of law enforcement..
Wed May 23, 2012, 01:03 PM
May 2012

...do I contact for the people in the funny hats, with the badges on them? They are the REAL terrorist threats!

MineralMan

(146,350 posts)
20. That is the face of civil disobedience.
Wed May 23, 2012, 01:54 PM
May 2012

No arrest; no effect. The young woman in that photo knows that. That's why she's smiling.

MineralMan

(146,350 posts)
24. That photo circulated on DU some time ago, and the circumstances
Wed May 23, 2012, 02:22 PM
May 2012

were described. I don't have a link to those earlier posts.

She was arrested as part of an Occupy protest. That much I remember. As such, she was engaging in civil disobedience, which is the whole point of such protest. Unless there are arrests, there is no impact. Getting arrested is part of the civil disobedience process. Sometimes people get hurt in such protests. That's also part of it, and has even more impact than arrests.

I remember that young woman, showing a proud face while being escorted off in handcuffs. She's a brave person, and I'm sure she knows that her arrest is part of the process of the protest she is making.

Without arrests, there is no measurable civil disobedience. Those who are arrested can rightly take pride in being an important part of the protest.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
26. Oops I totally misread your post
Wed May 23, 2012, 02:29 PM
May 2012

Somehow I thought you were claiming that it wasn't an actual arrest. Silly me.

MineralMan

(146,350 posts)
27. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Wed May 23, 2012, 02:33 PM
May 2012

Yes, there was an arrest. Not a violent one, apparently, thank goodness. I've seen that expression on people's faces before after being arrested at a protest. It reminds me of my 20s, back in the late 60s, really.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
43. That is fine and good but no anger and no pushback and the arrest has no impact on turning things
Fri May 25, 2012, 12:59 PM
May 2012

Folks need to be hot, resentful, and unwilling to allow it to stand. De-escalation is not desirable.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. Forget terrorists we have an even BIGGER ENEMY TO WORRY ABOUT!
Wed May 23, 2012, 07:06 PM
May 2012

Space aliens! Yep, I said it...aliens from Planet 9! See that 'innocent' skull cap she has on!?! It is a transmitter! I bet those buttons say things like, 'space born death platforms don't kill people, I do.'

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
45. You read my mind!
Fri May 25, 2012, 01:29 PM
May 2012

I was about to call in reporting a terrorist wearing a blue uniform, a badge, and a funny hat! Heavily armed and extremely dangerous!

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